Yamaha's response to "Hard Start"

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Swagger said:
LOL

Unfortunately, it's absolutely nothing to do with muscles, memory or the recalibration of either. It's a genetic defect ... you know the one that made you buy a Harley in the first place. :))

No I'm sorry ... there was absolutely no call for that. ::) :)
HaHa. I changed the bike, the gear, the way I ride, and even the routes I take. For all that my left thumb refuses to press the blinker twice. I'll get rid of the thumb before I get rid of the bike.
 

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snakebitten said:
That's not exactly the symptoms of the much heralded hard start issue. You got nothing? It didn't turn over even?


Oh, and I too am surprised by a Deliverance reference from Norway. Why would they play that over there? I'm ok with the whole world thinking Bay Watch is real. But not Deliverance.
Embarrassing. ::)
Well I was a little quick on the nothing part happening, the starter turned the engine but it did not fire.

And oh Deliverance, they made a movie here in Norway called Kill Buljo that had a parody on the "Squeal Like A Pig" scene :)
Klipp fra Kill Buljo
 

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Did you really just reference the "squeal" scene? :(
I suppose yaw know all about broke-back mountain too?

Some ideals should be allowed to last. Americas Westerns is one of them. Gun smoke, The Rifleman, John Wayne movies.......
 

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snakebitten said:
That's not exactly the symptoms of the much heralded hard start issue. You got nothing? It didn't turn over even?


Oh, and I too am surprised by a Deliverance reference from Norway. Why would they play that over there? I'm ok with the whole world thinking Bay Watch is real. But not Deliverance.
Embarrassing. ::)
maybe because Charley Boorman was in Deliverance
 

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Regardless of creed or color, he's no doubt 'ridin dirty'. ::005::

Chalk up another one to the flood out syndrome. The guys that use the FI fuse removal technique have this one figured out for now until mama-yama comes up with something. ::017::

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Well Well
My s10 is about to have its 1 year birthday with me! it really is coming up to its third but I bought it new in dec 2012.
Unfortunatley I only get to ride most weekends, I must explain the lead up to this: the week end prior I had a good 300km, about a third of it some good dirt action, parked it up and during the week one late arvo gave the S10 a wash (dont wash it that often at all) started it and left idle till operating temp then switched it off, on the thurs/fri evening i had some family members visiting who i was taking for a spin on the sunday coming up! anyway while they visited I fired it up (as you do with the two brothers exuast) but from memory didnt let it really get to operating temp (been done before so not really a concern) having done this fire up was thinking 'she's all good for weekend'
Sunday rolls around pushed out to drive way! BAM! what i now read on the forum comes to light,,,, I cant really remember the process I took when first trying to start it! but a few comments of what i am reading could have happened im not sure, but it did happened, I did try WOT at one point but again this may have been late in cranking and battery was tired.
Ride was cancelled ::010:: after charging battery for a few hours gave it a crank and same thing! then with a bit of WOT............ Baaaarrrt,,,,,,,,,, up to temp off we went, fuelled up switched off, started up again no probs, took it down the highway 30ks switched off then on again no probs then back home.
The only thing i did notice when first happened (after first cranking was the smell of fuel).

Just wished I had logged onto forum before hand....... ::020::
 

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It happened to me a few times, depends on how bad it floods but at the end of the day it's a non issue.

What IS and issue is that i just finished my last beer and i'ts god damn 16 degrees outside (F not C)

Getting to the store in my state is a hard start that makes yamaha look like a puppy ready to go.
 

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Ok, I've got the "no start" problem for the first time today. Bike's been sitting for several weeks in garage due to weather. Fuel has "Stabil" in it, tried WOT and it just cranks with no sign of life. Fuel pump runs like normal no indication of faults. 2013 with less than 5000 miles. The battery is fine and is on the Battery Tender regularly. Luckily the DR650 started right up so I could ride some today.

Hints or must I call the dealer?

Thanks, Chris
 

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Pull the fuel pump fuse, crank it over with the throttle open to clear the flooded condition. Re-install fuse. It should fire up after that. You might need to give it some throttle to help it along, but once it's going you should be fine.

Note: if you flip the kill switch off, the fuel pump doesn't prime. This is especially useful if your working on the bike and turning the key on and off repeatedly.

Let us know how you make out.
 

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No joy, pulled the fuse, WOT, same results; nada. Dealer wants me to bring it in? Explained that it would be a long push as it doesn't run! They're supposed to come and haul it to the shop next week as it's too damned cold to ride anyway. Missed the two warm riding days over the last weekend. Have to call the BMW dealer! :D
Chris
 

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Sorry to hear that. I would be very interested in what they find though.
 

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Sounds like this is a good way to go. If those of us that had the hard start issue would have the bikes hauled to the dealer to diagnose, perhaps Yamaha would take notice of this "problem".

Or maybe not..........
 

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My dealer caused a hard start. The kid that was bringing my bike around front let his finger off the start button before it started. Then made things worse by trying to start it for a while NOT at wot.

When they asked me if I had ever had a problem starting it I knew what was going on.

Went to the back and taught them the routine. And yes, they had never heard of it. :)

They seemed far more concerned though, than me. I think they were amazed that I was not the least upset.
 

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Re: Yamaha's response to "Hard Start"


orange rush said:
No joy, pulled the fuse, WOT, same results; nada. Dealer wants me to bring it in? Explained that it would be a long push as it doesn't run! They're supposed to come and haul it to the shop next week as it's too damned cold to ride anyway. Missed the two warm riding days over the last weekend. Have to call the BMW dealer! :D
Chris
If I'm not mistaken someone here had a bad one that wouldn't clear. Ended up jumping it from a car, and the extra juice from the car battery gave it the gumption to clear the flood and start. Might be worth a try before hauling it to the dealer...
 

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Re: Yamaha's response to "Hard Start"

That was me too. Or at least, me also.
 

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Re: Yamaha's response to "Hard Start"

Hi all....new to xt1200z ownership,never yet had a hard start and not too worried about it .Would like to know if the FI fuse and the fuel pump fuse you talk about the same fuse or two different ways of sorting problem.
Also where is/are these fuses located....thanks in advance


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Re: Yamaha's response to "Hard Start"

creggur said:
If I'm not mistaken someone here had a bad one that wouldn't clear. Ended up jumping it from a car, and the extra juice from the car battery gave it the gumption to clear the flood and start. Might be worth a try before hauling it to the dealer...
I had one of those, almost killed the battery. I also get worried I'm going to burn the starter out. I like to a wait a few minutes before each crank cycle to let the starter cool off.
Went out this morning after clearing a foot a snow and thought I would try the Tenere for a startup. 4 degrees F and fired right up.
 

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Re: Yamaha's response to "Hard Start"

So is the FI fuse and fuel pump fuse the same thing or two different items and if so why are people pulling different fuses out?????????????????


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Redsoul said:
So is the FI fuse and fuel pump fuse the same thing or two different items and if so why are people pulling different fuses out?????????????????


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4th fuse down on the left side is the FI circuit. If you encounter a "hardstart" that doesn't resolve with WOT, take this fuse out and turn the engine over to clear the flooded condition. This seems to do the trick for most.
 
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