Yamaha's response to "Hard Start"

[Monty]

Maybe the Gen2 flash fixed it? ::013::

Anybody with a Gen2 flash AND a hard start??????

Maybe ECU and Diapson fixed it for Yamaha.


And now I really really am finished with this

I had only my second hard start ever... a few days after having the Gen 2 flash. However, I had started the bike briefly in the garage the day before and I am convinced this triggered it. Same circumstance as the first time. Sometimes I just don't learn!!

Matt

 

[Monty]

Bollocks

Succinct, classic response that adds a touch of class to any thread. I commend you, sir.

 

[snakebitten]

I had only my second hard start ever... a few days after having the Gen 2 flash. However, I had started the bike briefly in the garage the day before and I am convinced this triggered it. Same circumstance as the first time. Sometimes I just don't learn!!

Matt

Actually, it sounds like you learned what matters. You got it started! So no drama.

Thus no issue.

 

[limey]

Actually, it sounds like you learned what matters. You got it started! So no drama.

Thus no issue.

Thought you where finished.

 

[True Grip]

Does anybody remember what it was like to kick start a Honda on a winter morning. Now that was drama ::025::

 

[fredz43]

Bollocks

My smiley indicates that it is posted in humor.

 

[snakebitten]

Thought you where finished.

Ok.

 

[Dallara]

Does anybody remember what it was like to kick start a Honda on a winter morning. Now that was drama ::025::

Amen, Bruddah!

Oh, you haven't lived until you have tried to kick re-start a Can-Am 560 Sonic (Rotax 560 four-stroke single) after you've endo-ed it from 70+ MPH on a fire-road during a hare scrambles race... in a 100-degree South Texas summer. ???

When that SOB was good and hot, and you crashed it, it damn near took an act of God to get it re-started. Most times it was better just to DNF!!!

Of course, there was an ol' boss of mine who had a real BSA DB34 Gold Star, and that was one tough SOB to kick off when it was cold, too!!! ::025::

Yep, those were the days. Sometimes it's really easy to forget just how friggin' gentle and easy we've got it now. ::001::

Dallara



~

 

[AlsoRan]

Does anybody remember what it was like to kick start a Honda on a winter morning. Now that was drama ::025::

::025::

I remember my Dad's Yamaha 360 Enduro RT-1 (black tank with yellow stripe), a first year version w/o a compression release. It would kick back, pop and spit - a real ordeal to start. It finally broke his leg. There were more than one case where legs were broken starting that model. Awesome bike once it was running though.

 

[roy]

The hard start does exist no matter that ONE member continues to tell everyone who will listen that it doesn't exist and its operator error.

BS its only happened to mine once after messing with my LEDs and the engine was warm an I cranked it shortly after that and let it run. Week later bam it popped/spit back on start up, yes I know how to start a motorcycle and besides it doesn't get much easier on a modern day motorcycle, just push a button. Wot did nothing, it was flat flooded, resorted to pulling the FI fuse and after a few dry cranks reinstalled the fuse and it fired up.

So yea nothing's wrong here and if you are so gullable to believe the one rambling denial member here then read on he will thoroughly convince you its all in your right wrist and can provide a detailed write up as to how one should start a Tenere.

Btw Yamaha CS sucks don't even call those clueless fools for anything just fix your problems yourself. It's way less stressful that way. Btw my bike runs fine but the hard start issue DOES exist and even knowing it first hand its not a deal killer for me.

 

[autoteach]

The hard start does exist no matter that ONE member continues to tell everyone who will listen that it doesn't exist and its operator error.

BS its only happened to mine once after messing with my LEDs and the engine was warm an I cranked it shortly after that and let it run. Week later bam it popped/spit back on start up, yes I know how to start a motorcycle and besides it doesn't get much easier on a modern day motorcycle, just push a button. Wot did nothing, it was flat flooded, resorted to pulling the FI fuse and after a few dry cranks reinstalled the fuse and it fired up.

So yea nothing's wrong here and if you are so gullable to believe the one rambling denial member here then read on he will thoroughly convince you its all in your right wrist and can provide a detailed write up as to how one should start a Tenere.

Btw Yamaha CS sucks don't even call those clueless fools for anything just fix your problems yourself. It's way less stressful that way. Btw my bike runs fine but the hard start issue DOES exist and even knowing it first hand its not a deal killer for me.

Make that 2 people that feel this is not a problem

 

[10 ER AY]

Make that 2 people that feel this is not a problem

3

If these piddly problems that are solved by simple methods are a big deal to you, maybe motorcycles just aren't your thing.

By all means, if this problem is bad in your eyes, DO NOT buy a BMW. You'll be going back to the dealership armed.

 

[creggur]

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If these piddly problems that are solved by simple methods are a big deal to you, maybe motorcycles just aren't your thing.

Ditto.

4.

 

[Tremor38]

I had one hard start in 2011 immediately after I was testing the relay I installed for my heated grips and only started it for a few seconds to verify I had used the correct trigger wire that is energized after the engine starts. On the next attempt it wouldn't start until I went to WOT.

In 2012 I had the Gen 1 reflash and in 2013 I had the Gen 2 flash. I have not had the hard start since getting either flash.

So, there we have definitive proof that the ECUnleashed flash cures the hard start problem.

I rest my case. ;D

Haha! Yeah, that's the ticket. I just walk tall and carry a Diapason ECU Seriously though, I doubt any of the flashes change the start programming. I experienced a mild version of what others have described ("stumble, stumble, pop, stumble..start") a few weeks ago. I'm certain there was no operator error. This happened after pointedly letting the bike warm-up before shutting it down in front of the office, in prep for the daily exodus. As someone posted earlier, there is probably a combination of conditions that must be met, and they don't happen often for most owners.

I have INDUCED the problem once, while trying to start the engine with the battery in a low charge state. The plugs evidently weren't getting enough energy, but the fuel pump was doing just fine

 

[klenoth]

Was on a motorcycle meeting this weekend, have just driven almost 1200 miles to get there. Parked the bike in the woods and left for it self beside my tent. Sunday came, I was clear enough after breathalyse and have packed together everything and geared up.
Turned on ignition and hit start. Nothing, not a god dammed thing. I have never heard about WOT and stood there as a jerk in the woods with a hevy lump of motorcycle that did not start.
To my luck I was able to get som help and got some help to push the bike half a mile to a downhill.
It started, but god damn I bought this bike new last year and it have only 4000 miles on the counter.
If this is going to happen to me anymore then it is for sale and, NEVER MORE YAMAHA period.
I payed over 40000$ US for it (YES in Norway motorcycle ar taxed beyond sanity)
I have owned many other bikes but none was brand new, and I have never had a starting problem.

 

[cb0802]

I'll ask before someone else does... was the bike in gear with kick stand down? After 7 months and 8,000 miles, I still try to start it in gear with the kick stand down. Always with the same result. Never had an ignition over ride before, and every time it does what it's supposed to do I think WTF? Then I remember, lift the stand, and go.
I can still manage about 20 miles with the blinker on after a turn too. How long before my muscle memory recalibrates from Harley to Yamaha settings?

 

[Swagger]

..... I can still manage about 20 miles with the blinker on after a turn too ..... How long before my muscle memory recalibrates from Harley to Yamaha settings? ....

LOL

Unfortunately, it's absolutely nothing to do with muscles, memory or the recalibration of either. It's a genetic defect ... you know the one that made you buy a Harley in the first place. )

No I'm sorry ... there was absolutely no call for that. :

 

[klenoth]

I'll ask before someone else does... was the bike in gear with kick stand down? After 7 months and 8,000 miles, I still try to start it in gear with the kick stand down. Always with the same result. Never had an ignition over ride before, and every time it does what it's supposed to do I think WTF? Then I remember, lift the stand, and go.
I can still manage about 20 miles with the blinker on after a turn too. How long before my muscle memory recalibrates from Harley to Yamaha settings?

Yep, kick stand down, but in neutral with clutch in as always.

This episode made me mad, cause I was alone in the forest and I was afraid to hear banjos start playing ::025::

 

[Swagger]

.... cause I was alone in the forest and I was afraid to hear banjos start playing ....

LOL a 'Deliverance' moment ... never have guessed that Norway had that kinda reputation. ) )

 

[snakebitten]

Turned on ignition and hit start. Nothing, not a god dammed thing. I have never heard about WOT and stood there as a jerk in the woods with a hevy lump of motorcycle that did not start.

That's not exactly the symptoms of the much heralded hard start issue. You got nothing? It didn't turn over even?


Oh, and I too am surprised by a Deliverance reference from Norway. Why would they play that over there? I'm ok with the whole world thinking Bay Watch is real. But not Deliverance.
Embarrassing. :