Rossi / Marquez Spat

[Tyke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph7BfQlBkk8

 

[scott123007]

LOL

 

[TheHelios]

Haha! Is Rossi actually starting in the back of the pack? I would've thought they'd suspended him for that stupid stunt.

 

[greg the pole]

Pretty funny.

93 was a complete tit that race. 46 didnt help with his comments on thursday.
But if 46 is fighting for a championship, 93 should either speed up, or get the hell out of the way.
Pass on the outside, and that's what you get. And no one got kicked off his bike. Two laps prior, 93 came close enough to 46 to touch him. Neither guys are saints.
Too bad it got down to high school level, and the championship gets decided by a bunch of lawyer types, and not the two guys that are fighting for it.
shame.

 

[Big Blu]

Racing is racing but running a rider off course is immature, dangerous and well.... stupid. If it was anyone other then Rossi I'm think'n the officials would have dropped the black flag in a heart beat.
Here's an article that I think sums it up nicely: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/2015/10/article/motogp-outsider-sepangclash-rossis-lowest-point/

Paul

 

[TheHelios]

For those that didn't see the video from a better angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipx61plBlsw

It seems Rossi didn't actually kick out his leg but moved his leg up in a terribly positioned Marquez. Not as malicious as I initially thought it was.

 

[AVGeek]

Regardless of the outcome of the Valencia race, this season's championship is tarnished. I think the article BigBlu posted sums it up pretty well.

 

[RIVA]

A picture says a thousand words.

 

[allsop]

::016::
https://youtu.be/YJy8blpCemA

 

[greg the pole]

A picture says a thousand words.

LOL...The gaydar is working

 

[groundhog]

Great picture - says it all !! As fellow racer Johnny Rea said - It's an unwritten rule that you don't interfere with riders battling for a championship when you have no chance of winning that championship - or words to that effect ! Marquez rode like a twat, spoiling what had become an absorbing title fight between Rossi and Lorenzo. The more you see and read it's obvious that Marquez knew what he was doing, and that Rossi's comments and later actions were justified. And I think everyone now acknowledges that Rossi did not kick out at Marquez (as if he could kick over a bike and rider leaning in to him with a quick kick!) and in fact Marquez leaned into Rossi twice when he could have sat the bike up, resulting in him coming off. Twat !

 

[Rasher]

I think the last time the championship really came down to the wire in the top class with two top riders was Roberts Vs Sheene in 1978...

...Perhaps the Spanish mafia want to preserve that fact, they have certainly done so by putting in such a stupid penalty at this stage, how many times has that little shit Marquez done far worse and got away with it :question:

They coud have docked Rossi 4 points to leave him in the same position as if he had finished behind Marquez, that would seem reasonable to me, not f*****g up the whole title chase.

I also have no idea WTF it had to do with Lorenzo either, he is now on my utter twat list after trying to get Rossi penalised so he does not have to fight for the title, what a f****** weasel.

When I was a lad Rainey and Schwantz used to knock lumps out of each other every weekend, and Lawson, Gardner, Spencer, Mamola, Sarron and probably more I have forgotten used to be more than happy to join in the melee.

Oh well, at least I can save a few bob by not renewing my BT Sport subscription next year.

 

[Bryn]

I said just before the incident that Marquez was riding like a twat and baiting Rossi.. And that one of them would have an off .....

And meanwhile Lorenzo has no personality ::007::

 

[Tyke]

I thought fom the outset that any rider, even Rossi, could not have kicked the front brake lever on Marquez bike , after all the front brakes on motogp bikes have guards to prevent just that possibility

I also agree that Marquez was attempting to spoil things to the benefit of his fellow countryman Lorenzo, all this when he should have been uninvolved beyond normal racing.

Lorenzo is a great rider and very smooth, Marquez is a hothead and could just be rising for a fall. ...again

P.s I absolutely do not agree with the report copied by big blue...sorry buddy

 

[groundhog]

No doubting Lorenzo is a great rider, but he's like the school snitch running to the teacher trying to get someone in more trouble ! As for Marquez he's an arrogant little sh*t who has proved many times he has no regard or respect for other riders in any shape or form. Like most of you I have been watching bike racing since the Sheene/Roberts days and have felt robbed of the opportunity to see the natural climax to the best seasons racing I have ever seen !

If the motorcycle gods have been watching this, then the outcome at Valencia should be as follows:

1. Rossi comes from the back and blitzes the lot of them
2. Marques poos his nappy (daiper) and gets one hundred lines saying - I should stop being a complete and utter twat
3. Lorenzo should have all his mirrors taken away, and be given a can of visor anti fog spray

 

[WJBertrand]

I also have no idea WTF it had to do with Lorenzo either, he is now on my utter twat list after trying to get Rossi penalized so he does not have to fight for the title, what a f****** weasel.

I agree and I don't think Lorenzo, specifically, has anything to do with it at all. It just so happens that he's second in the points and close enough to take the title if Rossi has a bad day. I think Marquez blames Rossi for his off at Argentina and his loss (2nd place actually) at Assen. Since Marquez is no longer a contender, he is instead bent on denying Rossi the championship. It's an immature "if I can't have it neither can he" kind of attitude. Makes me think Marquez has had a somewhat privileged upbringing. I don't think Marquez would have behaved any differently regardless of what rider were in that #2 slot.

 

[Big Blu]

Great picture - says it all !! As fellow racer Johnny Rea said - It's an unwritten rule that you don't interfere with riders battling for a championship when you have no chance of winning that championship - or words to that effect ! Marquez rode like a twat, spoiling what had become an absorbing title fight between Rossi and Lorenzo. The more you see and read it's obvious that Marquez knew what he was doing, and that Rossi's comments and later actions were justified. And I think everyone now acknowledges that Rossi did not kick out at Marquez (as if he could kick over a bike and rider leaning in to him with a quick kick!) and in fact Marquez leaned into Rossi twice when he could have sat the bike up, resulting in him coming off. Twat !

..... And it's a written rule ya don't run another rider off the track. Shoulda been black flagged the moment it happened.

Certainly Rossi is not the faster rider of the two. If he were he would have simply put distance between then. Sure it's tough when you realize you're no longer top dog ....... So ya resort to making false accusations and running your nemesis off the track ........ jeeeez.
Sad really, puts a brown stain on Rossi's stellar career.

Paul

 

[Checkswrecks]

I don't agree Paul.
Marquez was playing old-days NASCAR spoiler team riding to let his team mate advance. He had the power to pass Rossi repeatedly and then slow down to bait or aggravate Rossi, depending on who's view you listen to. As Rossi was coming wide, Marquez had the previous numerous passes to know that he could avoid Rossi and pass him yet again, but did not.



Andrea Iannone (Ducati): “It’s a complicated and delicate situation and everyone has his own opinion, but for sure no one likes what happened. I think Marc was riding a bit too slow. You cannot go one second slower than the pace you had just a few hours before [in the warmup].”


Rossi raising his leg has been deemed by race officials who looked at every angle to be after contact, which would make sense as a instinctive reflex. So since Rossi was baited repeatedly


So I'm agreeing with what another rider, Josh Brookes, wrote:“VR’s race was already penalized by having to deal with MM. Points should be left. Race Direction shouldn’t be deciding the championship.”
“Yes VR intentionally ran wide to make a statement…but MM had more options than the one he chose to take.”
“MM could’ve turned back & got up the inside but he stayed outside & continued to push on VR, then fell onto him, that dragged VR’s leg off.”
“I think we need to focus on the real crime here. Why was VR a gentleman for so long? He should have grassed him a lot earlier.”


To me, it's Repsol which should be penalized for the old-style spoiler actions of a team-mate.

 

[Big Blu]

I don't agree Paul.
Marquez was playing old-days NASCAR spoiler team riding to let his team mate advance. He had the power to pass Rossi repeatedly and then slow down to bait or aggravate Rossi, depending on who's view you listen to. As Rossi was coming wide, Marquez had the previous numerous passes to know that he could avoid Rossi and pass him yet again, but did not.



Andrea Iannone (Ducati): “It’s a complicated and delicate situation and everyone has his own opinion, but for sure no one likes what happened. I think Marc was riding a bit too slow. You cannot go one second slower than the pace you had just a few hours before [in the warmup].”


While we may not like the way MM was riding he violated no MotoGP rules... Simple really.

MM is the the new young star rubbing it in the face of the old tired horse, nothing more nothing less.... as I see it.

Sure some of the "old" racer may side with VR, perhaps it's because they can identify with what it's like to be knocked off the thrown by a young and upcoming star.

Paul



Paul

Rossi raising his leg has been deemed by race officials who looked at every angle to be after contact, which would make sense as a instinctive reflex. So since Rossi was baited repeatedly


So I'm agreeing with what another rider, Josh Brookes, wrote:“VR’s race was already penalized by having to deal with MM. Points should be left. Race Direction shouldn’t be deciding the championship.”
“Yes VR intentionally ran wide to make a statement…but MM had more options than the one he chose to take.”
“MM could’ve turned back & got up the inside but he stayed outside & continued to push on VR, then fell onto him, that dragged VR’s leg off.”
“I think we need to focus on the real crime here. Why was VR a gentleman for so long? He should have grassed him a lot earlier.”


To me, it's Repsol which should be penalized for the old-style spoiler actions of a team-mate.

 

[BaldKnob]

I don't agree Paul.
Marquez was playing old-days NASCAR spoiler team riding to let his team mate advance. He had the power to pass Rossi repeatedly and then slow down to bait or aggravate Rossi, depending on who's view you listen to. As Rossi was coming wide, Marquez had the previous numerous passes to know that he could avoid Rossi and pass him yet again, but did not.



Andrea Iannone (Ducati): “It’s a complicated and delicate situation and everyone has his own opinion, but for sure no one likes what happened. I think Marc was riding a bit too slow. You cannot go one second slower than the pace you had just a few hours before [in the warmup].”


Rossi raising his leg has been deemed by race officials who looked at every angle to be after contact, which would make sense as a instinctive reflex. So since Rossi was baited repeatedly


So I'm agreeing with what another rider, Josh Brookes, wrote:“VR’s race was already penalized by having to deal with MM. Points should be left. Race Direction shouldn’t be deciding the championship.”
“Yes VR intentionally ran wide to make a statement…but MM had more options than the one he chose to take.”
“MM could’ve turned back & got up the inside but he stayed outside & continued to push on VR, then fell onto him, that dragged VR’s leg off.”
“I think we need to focus on the real crime here. Why was VR a gentleman for so long? He should have grassed him a lot earlier.”


To me, it's Repsol which should be penalized for the old-style spoiler actions of a team-mate.

That is what I saw. VR's comments last Thursday and actions on Sunday were completely justified.