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Rasher

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Squibb said:
Personally, I just want to see a good clean race for the title, without any of this nonsense spoiling my viewing pleasure - some hope!
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Didn't we all, nobody wanted this mess, well maybe some JL fans - but I suspect most of them would have preferred he won after a fair fight than by some intervention by a load of suits around a table (Who I have no argument with, this is not their mess either)

At the end of the day it was six of one and half a dozen of the other, Marquez was f****ng with Rossi (although not breaking any rules) Rossi did run him wide (also not breaking any rules IMO)

Marquez did sort of slam into Rossi, although Rossi had by this time already pushed him very wide and slowed right down, to me he did not run MM of the track, MM ramming Rossi is what sent him down the road.

Honda is talking shit about the brake lever being "kicked" by Rossi as everyone knows his leg went forward and most likely this was caused by MM making contact.

If JL can piss off and win by a mile then it will be a clear end of season result as far as I am concerned, same would apply if Rossi wins a straight race, but if we end up with JL down the order a bit, and Rossi further back after a penalised start position I will be more disappointed as it would be a case of the penalty from the last round definitely changing the result...

...what I think I am saying is a great ride to win the title by either rider would be fine by me.
 
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Rasher said:
Didn't we all, nobody wanted this mess, well maybe some JL fans - but I suspect most of them would have preferred he won after a fair fight than by some intervention by a load of suits around a table (Who I have no argument with, this is not their mess either)

At the end of the day it was six of one and half a dozen of the other, Marquez was f****ng with Rossi (although not breaking any rules) Rossi did run him wide (also not breaking any rules IMO)

Marquez did sort of slam into Rossi, although Rossi had by this time already pushed him very wide and slowed right down, to me he did not run MM of the track, MM ramming Rossi is what sent him down the road.

Honda is talking shit about the brake lever being "kicked" by Rossi as everyone knows his leg went forward and most likely this was caused by MM making contact.

If JL can piss off and win by a mile then it will be a clear end of season result as far as I am concerned, same would apply if Rossi wins a straight race, but if we end up with JL down the order a bit, and Rossi further back after a penalised start position I will be more disappointed as it would be a case of the penalty from the last round definitely changing the result...

...what I think I am saying is a great ride to win the title by either rider would be fine by me.
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Just to be clear, they are doing triple digits and rossi is intentinoally running him wide, MM is in a situation with what a second left to act and does slow down a bit to possibly go behind Rossi.
Rossi goes into jerk mode and slows down as well.
Yet this is still on MM?
Racing is about bumping, its about blocking at times as it is a team sport, like it or not.
Rossi has been in this game for a long, long time, is desperate to secure what he probably sees as his last championship, gets carried away (nothing new) and runs someone off the track.
Good, disqualify him, he should have been black flagged.
Racing is great, spirited racing is better, however I have ZERO use for people who would purposely cause an accident.
Rossi put himself in this position, all he had to do was ride and win, that is it.
 
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Shrek,

Just to clarify... which race were you watching? Triple digits? Please, not in that particular corner.

Jerk mode? He is looking over to Marc (twice) like "WTF???"

Team sport? Marquez and Lorenzo are both Spaniards not teammates.

Ran him wide? Yes but not off the track. Marc does that on his own very well.

Go behind Rossi? Why? when all he had to do was take the inside line and repass the 46.

What is lost on the 2 of you is the fact that the 93 is much faster and should have been further up the track than he was. Keep trollin'.
 
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Shrek,

Just to clarify... which race were you watching? Triple digits? Please, not in that particular corner.

Jerk mode? He is looking over to Marc (twice) like "WTF???"

Team sport? Marquez and Lorenzo are both Spaniards not teammates.

Ran him wide? Yes but not off the track. Marc does that on his own very well.

Go behind Rossi? Why? when all he had to do was take the inside line and repass the 46.

What is lost on the 2 of you is the fact that the 93 is much faster and should have been further up the track than he was. Keep trollin'.
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Blocking, drafting, and team racing is all part of Motorsport, watch NASCAR for some fine examples. Attempting to run others off the track is not. I admire VR's skill but his antics both off and on the track says a lot about VR' character to me.

Paul
 
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Now we have a decision - it's more or less final, at least until after the end of the season. Raceday should be interesting!

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2015/november/rossi-appeal-rejected-will-start-from-back-of-the-grid-at-valencia/

Not quite what I expected, but we have seen VR come from the back before, so all is not lost. It will be a difficult weekend for Mr Jarvis & the Yamaha squad though - there must be some mixed feelings there for sure.

Roll on Sunday .................... KEN
 
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it will be as interesting to see what MM does if and when VR catches him up, all eyes will be on both guys for fair play!
 
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rossi should have know better ...who upsets a fellow rider [ and his family ] who you know is going to be infront of you in a race when its coming to the end of the season and its down to the wire ... rossi should have kept his mouth shut .
 
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Even with what I have said so far I would like to see him get the magical number ten, but he has Nobody to blame but himself.
 
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Well as the O.P of this thread I can say that I'll be watching, practice, qualifying, warm up and of course the MotoGp race itself, and I'm still excited to see the outcome...I was at Assen, which seems like many years ago, when Rossi qualified 11th (I think) and went on to win the race

I am a Rossi fan, but that doesn't mean I dislike MM, JL or any other competitor in this class, in fact in my view they are all exceptionally talented individuals.

I'm of an age (64) when I have had the pleasure of watching premier class racers for many years, as such I think that today's MotoGp bikes are in some ways a bit sterile when compared to the Strokers and their riders of yesteryear ~~ today's electronics do seem to take away some of the ability of controlling a savage bike without modern day 'rider aids'

So, bring it on for this weekends racing, and lets not overlook the skills and obvious abilities of the other teams and their riders out there battling in all classes ~ good luck to Danny Kent too ::008::

In conclusion I do feel that the 'premier class' championship has been tarnished by recent events, which really is very sad :(
 
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Rossi might be able to pull it off. He rides his best under pressure. Lorenzo cannot ride under pressure. Sure he rides well when he's in front of the pack but all it takes is one little thing to get him off his game. Anyone who thinks Rossi kicked Marquez's brake lever needs to stand next to a race bike and then explain to me how you can kick the lever without wedging a boot inside the guard. Not likely. Iannone had nothing to gain when he said Marquez was "playing with us" at Phillips Island and that started the whole mess. Guess we'll see what Sunday brings.
 
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Poor Cal Crutchlow he took a pretty good beating on the Ducati so he's still a little confused he will probably already be in the sand trap before rossi arrives
 
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shrekonwheels said:
I guess if they do, we will see what other racers really feel about the Penalty.
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I think there is a big difference between "Moving Over" and messing up a much faster rider who is charging through.

Most riders are not too bothered if a much quicker rider comes past, they normally tag on and grab a tow hoping to be pulled up to bikes just in front, or pulled away from those just behind, nobody will gain from riding a really defensive line to keep Rossi behind, if anything they would lose out as a whole heap of bikes pile up just behind them.

My guess is he will be able to progress quite quickly past the likes of Crutchlow (who I agree with - assuming he does not mean he will ride like a twat to block Rossi) as he gets towards the top six it will be trickier as these guys are not going to be a lot slower than Rossi and have a genuine chance to beat him to the flag.

As things stand I think Rossi has nothing to lose - he cannot do anything about where Lorenzo finishes and just has to go flat out from the off.

Lorenzo has a huge advantage, but in some ways a lot more pressure to try and manage his race - unless he can just piss off from the flag and do his thing, in which case Rossi is buggered (and would have been even with a front row start) I hope if Lorenzo does come out on top it is in this manner with one (or more) of the Honda's also flying at a pace Rossi has no answer too - Then (IMO) the penalty made no odds and Lorenzo is the legitimate champ with no reasonable argument any other way.

I also hope nobody takes out Rossi or Lorenzo to gift the championship.
 
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