Power restriction in first 3 gears now lifted
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snuffcityrider
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Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
Agree, not my idea. I would consider that a restriction that somehow they were able to remove or alter on the dyno and program into the P.C.
Agree, not my idea. I would consider that a restriction that somehow they were able to remove or alter on the dyno and program into the P.C.
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
I do hope they do improve the thing in sensible ways, but this "Sport bike criteria" makes as much sense as trying to make a Nissan Patrol into a track day car. If they want to produce a nervous, twisty carving power monster for the Europeans fine.
I don't even understand why many Europeans even bother with bikes like this, as there environment seems to be more suited to Sport Touring than Adventure Touring.
That would be fine, but for me I don't really care as long as they don't end up stuffing the low end and keep the thing nice and linear.Blue_eyes said:
I do hope they do improve the thing in sensible ways, but this "Sport bike criteria" makes as much sense as trying to make a Nissan Patrol into a track day car. If they want to produce a nervous, twisty carving power monster for the Europeans fine.
I don't even understand why many Europeans even bother with bikes like this, as there environment seems to be more suited to Sport Touring than Adventure Touring.
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
Just spoke to the German dealer. They adjust / reprogram a parameter setting in the stock ECU, no piggyback. PC V can remain installed as was to be expected. Outcome is full power in all gears, just as in 4-6th gear. They contacted Yamaha about the warranty but Yamaha has not taken a position on that. They have done 1500 km so far and had no issues. They invited me to come over and try their demo bike.
You can send your ECU to them and they will change the parameter and send it back, should not take more than a week or so, dependent on the availability of the programmer.
My thoughts are that since this is just a reprogram of a parameter, soon many shops will offer this as a service at lower prices, just like chiptuning for a car. That is common practice here nowadays and is dirt cheap. I've had it don with the last 4 of my cars without any issues.
For now I wait until it becomes available at lower pricing, but it's something I would definately want for my bike. ::014::
Just spoke to the German dealer. They adjust / reprogram a parameter setting in the stock ECU, no piggyback. PC V can remain installed as was to be expected. Outcome is full power in all gears, just as in 4-6th gear. They contacted Yamaha about the warranty but Yamaha has not taken a position on that. They have done 1500 km so far and had no issues. They invited me to come over and try their demo bike.
You can send your ECU to them and they will change the parameter and send it back, should not take more than a week or so, dependent on the availability of the programmer.
My thoughts are that since this is just a reprogram of a parameter, soon many shops will offer this as a service at lower prices, just like chiptuning for a car. That is common practice here nowadays and is dirt cheap. I've had it don with the last 4 of my cars without any issues.
For now I wait until it becomes available at lower pricing, but it's something I would definately want for my bike. ::014::
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
If you are an engineer, then you obvously understand about items that are over-engineered. With Yamaha final drives, I think there is plenty of headroom above minimum spec for any given application. You just don't hear about problems with final drives on any of their bikes that have them.
Haha! I'm more than happy with the power I'm getting right now, and that's a good thing because I'm busy making double and triple payments. This is the first bike I've ever taken out a loan for, and I don't like the feeling of being in debt for a pleasure toy. Sooo, it helps a great deal that I really don't see any need to do major mod's at this point. This bike offers a lot straight from the box, IMHO....and I really don't feel the power is lacking...especially on Japanese roadsRMac said:
If you are an engineer, then you obvously understand about items that are over-engineered. With Yamaha final drives, I think there is plenty of headroom above minimum spec for any given application. You just don't hear about problems with final drives on any of their bikes that have them.
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
Might be a different matter if the bike was made in China. Believe me, I know...But, yes this is a Japanese bike ::022::Tremor38 said:Haha! I'm more than happy with the power I'm getting right now, and that's a good thing because I'm busy making double and triple payments. This is the first bike I've ever taken out a loan for, and I don't like the feeling of being in debt for a pleasure toy. Sooo, it helps a great deal that I really don't see any need to do major mod's at this point. This bike offers a lot straight from the box, IMHO....and I really don't feel the power is lacking...especially on Japanese roads
If you are an engineer, then you obvously understand about items that are over-engineered. With Yamaha final drives, I think there is plenty of headroom above minimum spec for any given application. You just don't hear about problems with final drives on any of their bikes that have them.
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
With some models of the PC V (and the PC III) (read: for some specific bikes only) it is possible to raise the rev limit (see below screenshot from the Help menu), one can however not derestrict power in the lower gears.
The X-TRE from healtech can do that, but is not (yet...?) available for the XT1200Z, see the bottom screenshot from Healtech outlining the differences.
Hi snuffcityrider,snuffcityrider said:
With some models of the PC V (and the PC III) (read: for some specific bikes only) it is possible to raise the rev limit (see below screenshot from the Help menu), one can however not derestrict power in the lower gears.
The X-TRE from healtech can do that, but is not (yet...?) available for the XT1200Z, see the bottom screenshot from Healtech outlining the differences.
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
Iiiiyyyyeah! 875 U.S. for a reflash? I can wait a looong timeBlue_eyes said:
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Bundu
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Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
I would like to have this mod done on my S10, as I can quite clearly feel the reduced power in 2nd and 3rd gear below 5000RPM and find it quite irritating when I feel like some action on my bike - the surge at 5000-5500 is quite noticeable, at least for me.
See the graphs below
I would like to have this mod done on my S10, as I can quite clearly feel the reduced power in 2nd and 3rd gear below 5000RPM and find it quite irritating when I feel like some action on my bike - the surge at 5000-5500 is quite noticeable, at least for me.
See the graphs below
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snuffcityrider
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Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
Blue_eyes said:Hi snuffcityrider,
With some models of the PC V (and the PC III) (read: for some specific bikes only) it is possible to raise the rev limit (see below screenshot from the Help menu), one can however not derestrict power in the lower gears.
The X-TRE from healtech can do that, but is not (yet...?) available for the XT1200Z, see the bottom screenshot from Healtech outlining the differences.
Interesting to know how that all comes together. Might look into that one day, but I've got other farkle to get first. i.e. panniers, skid plate etc. Like you said, perhaps the price will come down as more dealers get involved.
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Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
I wonder if this 1-2-3 gear power curve is directly related to the TCS it self. Do they work hand in hand inside the ECM or are they two separate programs? If they work hand in hand I DONT want this mod for extra power. I would rather have the TCS work as Yamaha has developed it. If we can take the power reduction off of 1-2-3, and the ECM still has full 'factory' control over the TCS, Im all for it.. That would be cool... But I will say this, I will post a new thread tomorrow about my new exhaust and the PCV & auto tune.. This thing is crazy now, and honestly I dont need any more, my bike is still 'learning' and its a BEAST....
I wonder if this 1-2-3 gear power curve is directly related to the TCS it self. Do they work hand in hand inside the ECM or are they two separate programs? If they work hand in hand I DONT want this mod for extra power. I would rather have the TCS work as Yamaha has developed it. If we can take the power reduction off of 1-2-3, and the ECM still has full 'factory' control over the TCS, Im all for it.. That would be cool... But I will say this, I will post a new thread tomorrow about my new exhaust and the PCV & auto tune.. This thing is crazy now, and honestly I dont need any more, my bike is still 'learning' and its a BEAST....
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Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
I would think they work independently ::008::~TABASCO~ said:
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Look forward to your new Autotune topic! ::015::
They work independantly, otherwise we would only need to switch off the TCS to have full power in gears 1-3.... We can do that right now, so no need for that German dealer to reprogram the ECU and charge EU 620,- for it....~TABASCO~ said:
Look forward to your new Autotune topic! ::015::
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Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
I believe the power and torque are still limited in gears below 4th, even if the TCS is switched offBlue_eyes said:
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
Hold on. That just sounds like a BMW review. Maybe that is character you are feeling?Bundu said:
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
That is why I conclude that they work independant from eachother.
That is exactly what I am stating. Plz. Read my entire sentence. If switching TCS off would bring back the full power in gears 1-3 the Germand dealer would not have to bother modding the ECU and charging EU 620,- for it, as we can all just switch off TCS.....Bundu said:I believe the power and torque are still limited in gears below 4th, even if the TCS is switched off
That is why I conclude that they work independant from eachother.
Re: Power limitation in first 3 gears now lifted
If this mod becomes available at much lower price I might jump on it. If I had this I would be 100% satisfied.
Ditto. I became aware of this from day 1. No-one believed me when I wrote a post on the subject many months ago. Kind of encourages you to keep the bike below 4000rpm in 1st, 2nd and 3rd.Bundu said:
If this mod becomes available at much lower price I might jump on it. If I had this I would be 100% satisfied.
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sorry, misread your post... but even so, I would still like full power AND TCS as an option whilst having full powerBlue_eyes said: