Oil Change

[markjenn]

I think there is some excessive worry about the dirtiness of the final drive oil changes here guys. Everything I've seen in this thread looks more/less normal from my experience. Used final drive oil doesn't come out looking like used engine oil - its a different application and different oil. And a dusting of wear particles on the magnetic drain plug is normal too.

- Mark

 

[Koinz]

NAPA has Lubro Moly that appears to have Molybdenam disylphide mixed in. https://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?A=AMSLM2048_0284460048&An=0

I didn't know that Napa sold a quart like that. I have a can of concentrate - 10:1 mixture of oil and moly. looks just like that stuff that's coming out of your drives. I haven't dumped mine yet, but expect it's the same stuff.

 

[Rynn Storm]

Did my first change today. The oil is in the middle of the sight glass but the oil light is still on. I only let it idle for a few minutes. Should I take it for a short ride to reset the light?

Did you put oil into the filter before installing it? (assuming you changed the filter).

 

[Mike Sisson]

Did you put oil into the filter before installing it? (assuming you changed the filter).

How do you put oil in the filter when it's a horizontal mount??

I alway do this with my bottom loaders but it seems the horizontal mount would dribble out a fair portion of oil before it was screwed on.

 

[Kevhunts]

Has anyone measured the engine oil drain plug(s) thread diameter, thread pitch, & thread length?
I want to purchase drain plugs with magnets ahead of time when I do my first service.


http://www.magneticdrainplugs.com/index.html

 

[Rynn Storm]

How do you put oil in the filter when it's a horizontal mount??

I don't completely fill, just enough to absorb into the filter material. Maybe a few drops come out when I installed. Not 100%, but better than 100% dry. My oil light was on for less than a second.

 

[rem]

That kinda sorta makes sense. I changed my oil at like 100 km but didn't change the filter, and my light didn't even blink.


Of course, my light never does shine all that brightly anyway. R

 

[roy]

How do you put oil in the filter when it's a horizontal mount??

I alway do this with my bottom loaders but it seems the horizontal mount would dribble out a fair portion of oil before it was screwed on.

Easy just try it you won't spill a drop I promise. The filter soaks it right up and the little that's visible will not spill when you screw it on.

 

[trinc4me]

Easy just try it you won't spill a drop I promise. The filter soaks it right up and the little that's visible will not spill when you screw it on.

Did mine last night and it worked like a champ!

 

[S_Palmer]

Filling the oil filter will help get oil to the engine sooner but I don't see how it would affect how soon the oil light goes off. According to the owners manual the light responds to oil level not oil pressure.

 

[Koinz]

Filling the oil filter will help get oil to the engine sooner but I don't see how it would affect how soon the oil light goes off. According to the owners manual the light responds to oil level not oil pressure.

Really - Typically the oil light is a "pressure" light not "level" light. I have to take a look at the owners manual. I'm actually thinking of installing a pressure guage - i would think that being a dry sump, Oil pressure would be pretty important thing to monitor.

Update - ya, you're right - look at that ???

 

[fredz43]

I have changed oil twice in 600 miles, didn't fill the filter and my oil light never did come on. Not saying it isn't a good idea, but evidently has nothing to do with whether your light comes on or not.

 

[markjenn]

Pre-filling a filter is an old trick that many people swear helps their motors, but both by the design of the filter (check valve) and often the mounting position, you don't typically get much in. I'm not aware of any real data that shows any significant benefit, and literally millions of filters are changed every day without doing this with no apparent harm. And I'm not aware of any mfg who recommends that this be done which says something about how important it is to the people who design and build our engines. So I categorize this as one of those things that certainly does no harm but probably has little benefit either. Do it if it makes you feel better. I certainly wouldn't worry about it if you don't want to bother.

- Mark

 

[Koinz]

Pre-filling a filter is an old trick that many people swear helps their motors, but both by the design of the filter (check valve) and often the mounting position, you don't typically get much in. I'm not aware of any real data that shows any significant benefit, and literally millions of filters are changed every day without doing this with no apparent harm. And I'm not aware of any mfg who recommends that this be done which says something about how important it is to the people who design and build our engines. So I categorize this as one of those things that certainly does no harm but probably has little benefit either. Do it if it makes you feel better. I certainly wouldn't worry about it if you don't want to bother.

- Mark

You're probably right Mark, but I've always been taught/told that most wear of an engine occurs upon startup. Fresh oil change or not. it makes sense to me since moving parts are floating between a thin film of oil hopefully under pressure. With today's oil's though, it's way less of a concern.

 

[20valves]

Has anyone tried oil other than Yamalube 10w40? I used 10w40 for the 300, 600, and 1000 mile oil changes. Considering a different weight and maybe synthetic for the next oil changes. Any experiences or thoughts?

As often as you change, it won't matter at all. You're wasting your money changing that often. Oil threads on the internet are one of the biggest wastes of time known to man.

 

[tomatocity]

Agree with all of you. I used to fill fill my oil filters on my automobiles and we filled the oil filters on super modified engines but as time passed and oil filters became sideways I stopped filling them. Don't think I would tell someone not to fill an oil filter and I think filling an oil filter isn't bad. Is not filling the oil harmful? Probably not or Yamaha would tell us to fill the oil filter. Hey we have to put 3.6 quarts of oil in the engine and filling the oil filter is an alternative. Wouldn't be neat if the oil filter held .6 (19.2 ounces) of a quart of oil. How much oil does the OEM filter hold? Another 250 miles and I will check.

 

[Koinz]

As often as you change, it won't matter at all. You're wasting your money changing that often. Oil threads on the internet are one of the biggest wastes of time known to man.

Oh boy, you mentioned those words :exclaim: let's start an oil thread :exclaim:

No, no just kidding really. ???

 

[Rynn Storm]

Oh boy, you mentioned those words :exclaim: let's start an oil thread :exclaim:

No, no just kidding really. ???

The trick is to fill the filter with oil and place in liquid nitrogen for an hour. Then (with gloves), quickly screw in the filter. Use a heat gun to warm up the filter and proceed as normal. Btw, special "motorcycle" liquid nitrogen from the dealer may cost more, but better than generic liquid nitrogen. This is all 100% true because I read it on the Internet from some guy that doesn't actually own a motorcycle, but his brother told him this is the right way to change a filter...

 

[rem]

that is also how they get the candy inside the Caramilk bar. R

 

[rem]

How much oil could an oil filter filter, if an oil filter could filter oil ????