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Mike, you are a dirty, dirty boy!

I agree with everything you say here - they do OK on the road, just don't inspire confidence. On the other hand, they don't do anything silly, even in the wet.

Overall though, they do amazingly well on the road for such an aggressive off-road-biased tire. And especially for the mileage you can get out of them.

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Alright! I've got 1000 miles on them now, covering EVERY type of 'road' imaginable... the ultimate test, you might say. Here are my notes:

Below 5 mph they have a wiggle.
At 25 mph they vibrate.
At 75 mph they howl.

On pavement they are, well, not confidence inspiring when pushed hard. Through a smooth corner, steady on the throttle, they can be pushed to the very edge of the tread (I have 0 chicken strips left front or rear), BUT, there is no room for error... any adjustment in the throttle, or body movement, or road irregularity, will cause the tires to shift/squirm substantially. I never really had a scare or slide, but they were worrisome when pushed that hard. Keep in mind, I was pushing them hard... hard hard... attempted knee dragging, and playing cat and mouse with sport bikes hard.

On wet pavement they are even less confidence inspiring, but they still stick. The feel is just, poor, I guess.
 

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Nice ! When you need another set let us know :)
 

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Put a set on last week and filled the tank twice so in the brief time I've had them on the machine I can say that they are a learning experience! Mostly the noise and odd knobbie feel. Haven't ridden wet roads or extended off road (yet) but for HWY/commuting the tires perform as expected. I notice the TC light blinking more frequently during aggressive acceleration (in TC1) but very predictable while leaned over. Looking forward to the incredible milage from these hoops although... the front tire has been leaking air from the around the bead. I have removed the wheel and repositioned the bead twice and the leak continues at the same spot on the bead. My last attempt included Slime and the leak slowed but is still there. I have never had a bead leak before... any clues?
 

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BaldKnob said:
Put a set on last week and filled the tank twice so in the brief time I've had them on the machine I can say that they are a learning experience! Mostly the noise and odd knobbie feel. Haven't ridden wet roads or extended off road (yet) but for HWY/commuting the tires perform as expected. I notice the TC light blinking more frequently during aggressive acceleration (in TC1) but very predictable while leaned over. Looking forward to the incredible milage from these hoops although... the front tire has been leaking air from the around the bead. I have removed the wheel and repositioned the bead twice and the leak continues at the same spot on the bead. My last attempt included Slime and the leak slowed but is still there. I have never had a bead leak before... any clues?
You may not see as good of tread life if you enjoy whacking the throttle a lot and see the TCS light flashing. Just saying.

The K60 fronts do seem to lose air slowly. Both of the fronts I've had would lose about 2 psi over a few days and I make sure to check when on a road trip. Typically I check the air pressure before every ride at home anyway and have a compressor in the garage, so it hasn't bothered me much. Others have reported similar. If you discover a fix, post it up.
 

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I might suggest it, could be a dent / flaw in the front rim and in conjunction with installing the tire at this time of year being winter cold. In my experiance with many bikes over the years I tend to loose more air in the winter months verses the summer. Maybe the rubber is more supple in the summer and seals better. For the other gentelman with the leak, check the rim very well and then you might want to try a heat gun around that area. Worm it up pretty good (not boiling hot) and go for a short ride. See if that might help seat it in. Just a thought. I've personally not had any issues with the K60's leaking but I have with other brands and other bikes.
 

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~TABASCO~ said:
I might suggest it could be a dent / flaw in the front rim and in conjunction with installing the tire at thine of year being winter cold. In my experiance with many bikes over the years I tent to loose more are in the winter months verses the summer. Maybe the rubber is more supple in the summer and seals better. For the other gentelman with the leak, check the rim very well and then you might want to try a heat gun around that area. Worm it up pretty good (not boiling hot) and go for a short ride. See if that might help seat it in. Just a thought. I've personally not had any issues with the K60's leaking but I have with other brands and other bikes.
Anything is possible. FWIW, it did this before I bent my rim in Death Valley and after, at the same rate of loss. The wheel was repaired well, but I have never gone to the effort to try and discover exactly where it leaks from, as it's such a slow leak. If I get bored enough, perhaps I'll dunk it in water and attempt to identify if there is a specific location of the leak. On the heat gun trick, good idea.

The rate of loss is so small I've never really been bothered by it. Certainly not to the point of it being something that would keep me from using K60s. If I had cast wheels, I'd suspect porosity. Though, the Tourance EXP never lost any air, before or after the wheel repair. If my front PR3 Trail ever shows up, I'll have a data point of three different types/4 different tires on the front to go by.
 

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BaldKnob said:
I notice the TC light blinking more frequently during aggressive acceleration (in TC1) but very predictable while leaned over.
I've never experienced leaking air, but definitely have seen the TC light blinking in TC2 on the pavement. On dirt roads the light blinks a lot. In fact to be completely honest, my wife's Anakee equipped Tenere hooks up significantly better than the K60 on a dry dirt/gravelish road. That's riding both bikes on the same road, in the same spots, and both tires have roughly the same mileage.

Due to this I'm pretty sure I'm going to make the mod that sfc67 made: http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=6318.msg109292#msg109292 There is a lot I like about the K60s and I plan to continue using them, but there is room for improvement. I've been practicing my cutting skills on an old K60 and I'm getting better.
 

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There's a black snot that we use on rims with metal cancer. It seems to be essentially a liquid rubber in some sort of carrier that evaporates off. Applied to both the rim and the tire I have yet to have a rotten Mercedes rim leak past the stuff. Lacking a Shop Supply near by, just the liquid tire repair glue applied to the rubber at the leak and quickly seated will do the trick. It will soften the rubber of the mold blemish and let things seat better. Remember, the point that does the sealing is not the part that is essentially a continuation of the side wall, it's that 90 degree turn and inwards. That's where the glue needs to be placed.
 

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~TABASCO~ said:
I might suggest it could be a dent / flaw in the front rim and in conjunction with installing the tire at thine of year being winter cold. In my experiance with many bikes over the years I tent to loose more are in the winter months verses the summer. Maybe the rubber is more supple in the summer and seals better. For the other gentelman with the leak, check the rim very well and then you might want to try a heat gun around that area. Worm it up pretty good (not boiling hot) and go for a short ride. See if that might help seat it in. Just a thought. I've personally not had any issues with the K60's leaking but I have with other brands and other bikes.
Thx, Jaxon

It seems the Slime kept the tire at 40psi overnight so I dropped pressure to 34 and rode 50-60 miles. I'll check it in the AM. Here's a pic of the tire bead and just above the "0" in the K60 you will see a blister and a tiny leak lives there. It looks like a defect to me.
 

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Where did you buy the tire from? We are a dealer, call me tomorrow and I will try and help ya out. Jaxon
 

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Where did you buy the tire from? We are a dealer, call me tomorrow and I will try and help ya out. Jaxon
I got them from you just before ThxGvn.
 

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Great. Let's se if we can get you fixed up. Give me a shout tomorrow.
 

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Got my K60's today. Got them from Revzilla. Tabasco, I wanted to get them from you but I had to order on-line due to work schedule. Bought Altrider skid plate too.

Getting K60's mounted soon. What's recommended PSI off road? Highway?
 

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Hey Sean I run mine 35 Front 38 Rear on road . And About 25 Front and rear off road. I've also gone many times on stretches of slab between dirt areas at the 25 psi. And they handled geat. these tires are not very fussy. I've heard of guys running these flat for a while and not even knowing it.
 

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I also have heard of others running them flat and being able to repair them. Not long ago I had a rear flat, plugged it, and still had a problem. Ended up being the inside of the tire was covered in bubbles or casing separations. My dealer returned it to their distributor and they reimbursed them for the tire and they will reimburse me.

The K60 is a fine tire and if I was riding around the world it would be on the K60.
 

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MidlifeMotor said:
Getting K60's mounted soon. What's recommended PSI off road? Highway?
I'm 250# and ride with bags on all the time. 42R/36F on the pavement has given me good results. I tried airing down to 26/26 but worried about denting the rims, though it felt fine and handled the dirt ok. Not a ton of hard core off pavement stuff since my Death Valley wheel bending experience, (that was at 36 psi on the front wheel that got the dent).

I have had a rear flat once with the K60. Noticed the rear feeling a little loose shortly after leaving a lunch stop, (checked tires prior to leaving and were ok), so only a few miles and mild corners at ~65 mph. Pulled over and found a 10 penny nail in the tire. Wife started talking to another couple stopped there and I had the flat fixed and aired back up before she was done talking. No issues with the tire, ran it for another 3-4k after that and wore it out.
 

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I guess now's a good time to update you all on my K60 experience...

I've worn out 2 rears and a front now, got 9000 miles from the first rear with at least a couple of thousand left. I removed it a little prematurely to fit new tires for a cross-country trip (little dirt so fitted stock Bridgestones). When I got to Sacramento I fitted a pair of K60s, and they have served me well for the last 11,000 miles from there to Guatemala. They are pretty well worn out now, and I have a new set to fit next week.

Plenty has been written about the K60's before - they are a good all-round tire, not a great street tire but adequate. They look like they might be scary in the wet with the solid center and hard compound, but I had a LOT of wet riding on my first rear and never had a hairy moment. They are better than most off-road - maybe TKC-80s or Karoo's are better but they will only get you about 1/3 of the mileage.

Mileage is one of the big selling points - the rear I have on at the moment has seen some very rough roads, with 200lb of luggage on board, and still got to 11,000 miles. It's getting smooth in the center now, but the wierd thing is, it's still got plenty of tread off-center. One thing people complain about is that they square-off a lot as they wear, but I'm beginning to wonder if this is by design. Why? Look at the pics below.






Both these roads were ridden on a "bald" rear tire, but I could hardly tell - seems as long as the surface is soft enough for the tire to sink in a little, the remaining tread on the sides of the tires can still get plenty of traction. The wear pattern on the rear is such that the center tread can be all but gone, but you'll never run out of knobs either side. In fact, they form "scoops" and you can get nearly as much traction from them in soft going as if the tire was brand new.





One more thing - I don't know if it's just coincidental, but between these two rears I've done 20,000 miles, without a single puncture. That's some kind of a record for me. These tires are tough, but I can't say for sure whether that's contributed to the lack of punctures, or just put it down to luck?

The front tire is less impressive - still not bad mind you, and it's been hammered over a multitude of twisty roads in its 11,000 miles, but disappointingly it's almost worn out. I'd read of people getting 20,000 miles out of them, but not me. I'd been thinking 20,000 miles would be perfect (2 rears to one front), but it's not going to work out that way. I could get another couple of thou out of it, but not worth it so I'm changing them together. It may have something to do with the fact that it loses a little air, about 1psi a day (I've heard others complain about this too), and sometimes I haven't kept on top of it and so maybe pressure's been a bit low. Normally I'm running 39 rear (which holds air very well) and 36 front. Often it's been at 30 when I've topped it off though.

Overall I would say the K60 rear is the best thing out there for a Super Tenere that sees a good amount of dirt. For the front, I think there are others that would work just as well, some for less money. Shinko 705 for example. Better road feel than the K60 front, nearly as good off road, and a lot cheaper. Also got 11,000 miles on it. I had one combined with my first K60 rear. Others to try would be the TKC or Karoo if you're more dirt-focused but want a longer lasting tire on the rear.

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Mounted up my rear K60 today, still waiting on my damn front to show up to get it mounted. Ride report will come soon.
 
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