Gen2 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

[Dallara]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

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Dallara, you're like hemorrhoids, somethings just can't easily be ignored.... ::013::
I will try harder not to scratch, I will try harder, I must resist..... :'(

Paul

You did it *AGAIN*! This is hilarious! )

You *STILL* haven't figured out the right words for the context! ::025::

Let me see if I can help... I think you're trying to say "some things just can't be easily ignored..." ::008::

Sorry you had so much trouble with the 3rd grade... Or maybe you shouldn't drink before posting.


Dallara






p.s. - and it's getting more and more apparent you didn't fib, you flat-out lied about putting me on your "ignore" list... ::013::

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[Combo]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

OK guys.... Blue is now Red and Dallara should now be out of breath and looking for another pick.


One More time.........We all ride motorcycles!

Can't we all just get along :question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0

If this keeps up I will post this dumb video again unless someone likes it? In that case I will post another one just as bad so don't test me because I have many bad ones. ;D

 

[Dallara]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

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Ya' know, Combo... You're right. It's time to get this thread back on track, and talk about gear indicators!

Probably just me, but I've never quite understood the need for a gear indicator. I guess it's OK if that's your thing, but I just can't understand all the fervor of it, much less the hand-wringing over whether or not it works with the clutch in or out. As some have mentioned, I rarely *ride* with the clutch in... Sometimes I shift with the clutch, other times I don't. And also as others have mentioned here and elsewhere, I don't really *think* about what gear I'm in, either for a certain corner or anything else. I'm either in the *right* gear for me to negotiate the situation or I'm not, and if I'm not in the *right* gear I shift to the gear that feels *right*. Pretty simple really.

As for the situation where some seem to wonder if they're in top gear or not... Well, if I'm not sure I'm in top gear I just throw another shift at it. If it's not in 6th before then it is after. If it's already in 6th, well, no harm, no foul, and it takes all of about half a second, max. And I didn't have to take my eyes off the road ahead.

As for the situation where some forget to downshift all the way to 1st when coming to a stop... Hell, I've done that - i.e. stopped at a light, then had it change green, and I go to let the clutch out and realize I'm in 3rd, 4th, or 5th. So what happens? I simply pick up some revs and slip the clutch to get rolling. The Super Tenere is a nice, torquey motorcycle, and I've gotten it going easily from a dead stop in 6th, so starting off in 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc. is no problem. Doesn't happen often, but then I'm not *THAT* old yet... ::025::

And no, I've never stalled it, even once, doing so. Maybe it's habit from the days of road racing where we all had to launch from standing starts with ultra-tall road race gearing... Maybe it's from years of running enduros in sloppy conditions where everybody there had to slip their clutches all day in tall gears just to find a bite. Maybe it from decades of MX where we all always started in 2nd or 3rd at the gate. I dunno where it comes from, I just know that getting rolling in any gear other than 1st is really not a big deal. Besides, I always thought it was entirely the rider's responsibility not to stall the motorcycle getting under way.

But like Eric mentioned, if you're really concerned about whether you're in 1st at a stop light why not just tap on the shift lever a few times until you're sure?

After all, even if you have a bike with the very best gear indicator in the world - whatever that is - what do you do if it somehow breaks?

And I've never needed a gear indicator on any manual transmission car I've ever had, either.

Just my two centavos... Needless to say, folks, YMMV.

Dallara




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[fredz43]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

I agree with everything Dallara said in the post above, but I guess that's just me. I have wondered just how folks use a gear indicator when riding and why, but if they like it, no problem, I just never saw the need or had the desire for one.

YMMV and mine does, I guess. ;D

 

[ThreePutt]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

It's one of those things you didn't know you wanted or needed until you have one.

 

[Combo]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

I do agree that I think I do not need a gear indicator :-\
I have never had one for over 40 years of riding and why would I need one now :question: OK..... why would I need traction control :question: OK..... Why would I need anti lock brakes :question: OK...... Never had them before but I will be dang if it is not the cats Meow in most areas with this Super Tenere. I am giving in on some places I did not think I would ever go until this bike came out and spent time on it. I can't believe I put this in writing.

One fine a##*ss motorcycle :exclaim: :exclaim: :exclaim:

 

[fredz43]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

It's one of those things you didn't know you wanted or needed until you have one.

You're probably right. I thought I would never need a cell phone, for instance, until I got one. Still, I wonder how folks use the GI. Do you look down each time you shift to see what gear you are in? Do you only use it to see if you are in top gear? Do you only use it to see if you are in first? As Dallara, said, I really don't care what the number is, but I can easily tell what gear the engine needs for the situation and shift up or down accordingly, regardless of the number of the gear. Otherwise I shift up until it won't go up anymore and when coming to a stop, I shift down until it won't go down anymore, never looking down at the dash.

 

[Big Blu]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

"One More time.........We all ride motorcycles!

Can't we all just get along :question:" ya got that right Combo! And let's not forget that some here ride other brands as well as Yamaha and it's OK.

On gear indicators....
Sure, I can live with out it but like to have it and prefer it be implemented the proper way. Many other manufactures are able to do it right, but Yamaha took the cheap approach with their implementation on the S10. Proper gear indicator and self cancelling turn signals are design standards for many other manufactures.... just say'n. There is no right or wrong just different wants, as simple as that.

Paul

 

[Dallara]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Sure, I can live with out it but like to have it and prefer it be implemented the proper way. Many other manufactures are able to do it right but Yamaha took the cheap approach with their implementation on the S10. Proper gear indicator and self cancelling turn signals are design standards for many other manufactures.... just say'n.

Paul

"Proper way" and "proper" according to who, exactly? ::025::

Dallara



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[BravoBravo]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

I don't have a gear indicator on my 2012 Super Ten, and can certainly get along without one, as I have for the past 44 years. Having said that, would I turn my nose up at this enhancement? Absolutely not. I can live without self-canceling turn signals, but I have owned bikes in the past that have this feature, and I liked that too. I don't have four-way flashers on my '12. Not a deal breaker at all, but would I like them and find them useful? Absolutely. In many ways, simplicity is a virtue, but sometimes complexity is helpful and makes the ride that much more pleasant.

Bruce

 

[ThreePutt]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

I use a lot of engine braking when rat racing with my buddies, it helps to know where you're at. Should I brake hard or drop it into 2nd? Minor, but it also helps make it easier to find N.

 

[fredz43]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Other manufacturers may have proper gear indicators and proper self cancelling turn signals, but evidently don't build proper motorcycles, or we'd all be riding them instead of our S10's. ;D

 

[Dallara]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Other manufacturers may have proper gear indicators and proper self cancelling turn signals, but evidently don't build proper motorcycles, or we'd all be riding them instead of our S10's. ;D

Now *THAT'S* funny!!! I don't care who you are!!! ::015::

Maybe some of those other manufacturers could learn to build "proper" final drives, "proper" fuel strips, "proper" switch assemblies that don't fail, "proper", "proper" ESA systems, etc., etc., as well as teach their customer service departments treat their customers the "proper way"... ::025::

Dallara




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[Big Blu]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

OK I get it kids , the s10 is the perfect motorcycle..... ::010::
Silly me...

Are you suggesting Yamaha is not capable or providing a proper gear indicator or self cancelling turn signals?

Paul

 

[fredz43]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

OK I get it kids , the s10 is the perfect motorcycle..... ::010::
Silly me...

Are you suggesting Yamaha is not capable or providing a proper gear indicator or self cancelling turn signals?

Paul

No, I'm suggesting that when the details of the 14 model came out, it seemed that Yamaha must have been reading this forum, as they addressed many of the items mentioned by owners that they would like on the new model, one of which was the gear indicator. In addressing this convenience item, they chose a method that was the most cost effective and would satisfy most riders that wanted such an item. In spite of that, we see complaints that they took the "cheap" way out. I guess they took the cheap way out on the ES system too, as a person will still have to push a button to change damping settings, instead of the suspension changing them automatically, as a few other manufacturers do.

Someone on the other forum mentioned that there were a lot of whiners over here. I posted a reply, that I didn't think that was true, but I'm beginning to think he is right.

 

[Dallara]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

OK I get it kids , the s10 is the perfect motorcycle..... ::010::
Silly me...

Are you suggesting Yamaha is not capable or providing a proper gear indicator or self cancelling turn signals?

Paul

Not at all... I think the gear indicator they have on the 2014's is a "proper" one, and that the bikes Yamaha has sold in the past with self-canceling turn signals were "proper" ones, too. But I'm also saying that it is not a gear indicator or self-canceling turn signals that makes a motorcycle a good one.

Yamaha chooses one path for their gear indicator... One similar to the same path other manufacturers take. It may not be the one you prefer, but does that make it the wrong path? Who determines what is "proper"?

And the vast majority of motorcycles do *NOT* have self-canceling turn signals, or gear indicators for that matter... Does that mean all those other motorcycles, regardless of brand, are somehow not "proper"?

Are you suggesting that, for instance, BMW can't make a "proper" final drive because they fail so often, repeatedly, year after year? Or that they can't make a "proper" ESA system? But is a certain operation of a gear indicator, or the addition of self-canceling turn signals, somehow more important than building a trustworthy, reliable, dependable motorcycle?

Dallara




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[Dallara]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Someone on the other forum mentioned that there were a lot of whiners over here. I posted a reply, that I didn't think that was true, but I'm beginning to think he is right.

Oddly enough, Fred...

The person on that "other forum" who posted there were a lot of "whiners" over here was an ADVrider member named "Roadscum", right?

Well, guess what? "Roadscum" over there is none other than our own "Big Blu" over here!

That's right, they are one and the same Paul... Which makes your reply especially entertaining! ::025::

Dallara



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[TXTenere]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Someone on the other forum mentioned that there were a lot of whiners over here. I posted a reply, that I didn't think that was true, but I'm beginning to think he is right.

I disagree that there are a lot of whiners here. There are a vocal minority of whiners, but vocal they are.

 

[Big Blu]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

No, I'm suggesting that when the details of the 14 model came out, it seemed that Yamaha must have been reading this forum, as they addressed many of the items mentioned by owners that they would like on the new model, one of which was the gear indicator. In addressing this convenience item, they chose a method that was the most cost effective and would satisfy most riders that wanted such an item. In spite of that, we see complaints that they took the "cheap" way out. I guess they took the cheap way out on the ES system too, as a person will still have to push a button to change damping settings, instead of the suspension changing them automatically, as a few other manufacturers do.

Someone on the other forum mentioned that there were a lot of whiners over here. I posted a reply, that I didn't think that was true, but I'm beginning to think he is right.

Exactly, they took the chep and easy solution. They could have done better but chose not to do so, that's my point, nothing more, nothing less. Not bashing just observing. For me their solution does not suit my needs but does seem to meet the expectations of some here. It's all good!

Paul. aka: roadscum ::018::

 

[mrpete64]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Does the new '14 Tenere have four way flashing lights?