Gen2 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

[Mellow]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Does the new '14 Tenere have four way flashing lights?

Yes it does, never understood why the prev version did not. They are useful in many occasions in my opinion and a safety feature in my mind.

I say good on Yamaha for trying to make a really great bike even better. Too soon to redesign the whole thing so they did what they could the most cost effective way without major redesigns so it also benefits the Gen 1 owners and those changes may be backward compatible.

 

[Big Blu]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Yes it does, never understood why the prev version did not. They are useful in many occasions in my opinion and a safety feature in my mind.

I say good on Yamaha for trying to make a really great bike even better. Too soon to redesign the whole thing so they did what they could the most cost effective way without major redesigns so it also benefits the Gen 1 owners and those changes may be backward compatible.

+1!

Mellow, does your "14 also have the "flash to pass" feature?

Paul

 

[20valves]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

Mellow, does your "14 also have the "flash to pass" feature?

IIRC it does. The left handlebar pod is just like the Gen III FJR's, including flash to pass incorporated into the hi/low beam switch. Good luck getting other drivers in the States, i.e. left lane squatters, to know what that means though! As far as I can tell, if you flash to pass here, the "flashee" usually takes that to mean "flip off the flasher." ;D

 

[Big Blu]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

IIRC it does. The left handlebar pod is just like the Gen III FJR's, including flash to pass incorporated into the hi/low beam switch. Good luck getting other drivers in the States, i.e. left lane squatters, to know what that means though! As far as I can tell, if you flash to pass here, the "flashee" usually takes that to mean "flip off the flasher." ;D

Good to hear about the pass-to-flash, thanks..
I've been all over this country and the Florida drivers are by far best squatter I've come across.... Jeeez, they just may want to make a left turn sometime later in the day! :'(

Paul

 

[markjenn]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

....so it also benefits the Gen 1 owners and those changes may be backward compatible.

There has been speculation about this, but I don't think any major new 2014 feature can be retro-fitted to the earlier bikes. I doubt "backwards compatibility" ever appeared on a requirement list for the new bike.

- Mark

 

[Clevermonkey]

Re: Gear Indicator on '14?

You 14 owners have gear indicator? I am still getting used to the fuel gauge and clock.... Baby steps man, baby steps... ::003::

 

[winder]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

hello, yes i realize this is an old post.... but thought i would share some thoughts here... i understand the op question.... while i never
have had a gpi before, i found it kinda neat. i found the only time i looked at this feature was when i was changing gears..not traveling down the road.. a novelty? perhaps... but:

i have recently gone to a yamaha demo day... test road the fj-09 and 15 super tenere and i found the fj-09 actually showed the gear selected when the clutch was pulled in, but the tenere showed the dash..... strange... maybe there is hope for the tenere?

just thougt i would share..... fwiw

winder

 

[twinrider]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

hello, yes i realize this is an old post.... but thought i would share some thoughts here... i understand the op question.... while i never
have had a gpi before, i found it kinda neat. i found the only time i looked at this feature was when i was changing gears..not traveling down the road.. a novelty? perhaps... but:

i have recently gone to a yamaha demo day... test road the fj-09 and 15 super tenere and i found the fj-09 actually showed the gear selected when the clutch was pulled in, but the tenere showed the dash..... strange... maybe there is hope for the tenere?

just thougt i would share..... fwiw

winder

I think Markjenn explained why. Yamaha cheaped out on the first gen S10 by not adding a mechanical gear indicator and cheaped out again on the 2nd Gen by adding a gear indicator via software instead of making a hardware change. Sounds like they didn't make that mistake with the new triple motor.

Have to agree with AC's sentiment (and thanks for the laughs ). I don't see how not being able to view the gear with the clutch in or while stopped really makes a difference. How often do you ride with the clutch in while wondering what gear you're in? And stopped the neutral light tells me all I need to know.

 

[Tyke]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

It is a slightly annoying feature of the Gen 2 bike, the only time I would like to know which gear I'm in when the clutch is in is at lights whilst stationary, just as a failsafe knowing I.m in 1st gear not 2nd

Having had my bike for 12 months now I've become used to this little quirk

It seems to me that to correct this could be straight forward as it should be a simple software adjustment........mind you I know sod all about bike software so I could be talking crap there ::025::

 

[twinrider]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

It is a slightly annoying feature of the Gen 2 bike, the only time I would like to know which gear I'm in when the clutch is in is at lights whilst stationary, just as a failsafe knowing I.m in 1st gear not 2nd

Downshifting to neutral as I slow to a stop works well for me, also helps save on brake pads. ::008::

 

[trainman]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

I think Markjenn explained why. Yamaha cheaped out on the first gen S10 by not adding a mechanical gear indicator and cheaped out again on the 2nd Gen by adding a gear indicator via software instead of making a hardware change. Sounds like they didn't make that mistake with the new triple motor.

Have to agree with AC's sentiment (and thanks for the laughs ). I don't see how not being able to view the gear with the clutch in or while stopped really makes a difference. How often do you ride with the clutch in while wondering what gear you're in? And stopped the neutral light tells me all I need to know.

rather than cheaped out, I would like to think they went for reliability over another piece of wiring and switch on the engine, its the wiring and sensors that often let engines down so the less the better

having had 2 x BMW GS both with gearbox switch issues I tend to think I prefer the S10 set up even if its not perfect, on the UK GS forum over here gearbox switches are talked about almost weekly, and in a bad way! it could even lead to bikes not starting if you also had a dodgy side stand or clutch switch as the beast thought it was in gear when it wasn't!!

the S10 'box is so slick I never have trouble with neutral whether using the display or not

be keen to know if the other Yamaha models do indeed have switches or have a better software version of the S10 set up?

incidentally if the bike uses revs and gear position to find out gear, how does it find neutral which it can clearly do with engine not running - must be a switch of some sorts?

 

[Scoobynut]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

A quick glance at the dash to see what gear you're in before pulling in the clutch works for me. 8)

 

[kena48]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

I love that feature on Interstate entry ramps. Sometimes I forget if I'm in 5th or 6th. But you original question is intriguing! Is there a way to retro integrate the neutral feature into a 2014? Probably embedded in firmware?

 

[Stridercal]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

Lot of debate on this thread, but i didn't see anyone post the following in my (short) scan:

Our S10 uses a software-driven gear position indicator. It infers the gear based on speed and rpm. It's solid-state, so you don't have to worry about the gear position rotor fouling up (which does happen, like on my DL650). Downside is obvious, as it doesn't show you gear with clutch pulled in. IMHO, this only matters off-road, when you need to pick up the bike, or are between second and third on a bad hill, etc. Other brands have used this system before, such as Buell and, IIRC, MV Agusta.

The alternative is a physical gear position rotor and switch set. At the cost of more parts, it gives you always-on gear position data, but it can foul up with dirty oil or faulty contacts. Adding a physical GPI without CANbus wiring is a pain, so not too many bikes do so from Japan (yet).

Pluses and minuses either way!

 

[twinrider]

Re: 2014 Gear Indicator Display - gear disappears when clutch in

Some good info Stridercal and Trainman.

 

[mercurydog47]

I will be installing my new EFM clutch next week and I am wondering if this will affect the GPI in some negative way. Plus, I wonder about the cruise control dropping off when, say the bike is in CC and starts heading downhill and the RPMs go down...hope this resolves. News coming next week if anybody is interested.

 

[Dogdaze]

I will be installing my new EFM clutch next week and I am wondering if this will affect the GPI in some negative way. Plus, I wonder about the cruise control dropping off when, say the bike is in CC and starts heading downhill and the RPMs go down...hope this resolves. News coming next week if anybody is interested.

Very interested, keep us informed ::008::

 

[markjenn]

I will be installing my new EFM clutch next week and I am wondering if this will affect the GPI in some negative way. Plus, I wonder about the cruise control dropping off when, say the bike is in CC and starts heading downhill and the RPMs go down...hope this resolves. News coming next week if anybody is interested.

Both systems rely on the clutch switch to tell when the clutch is pulled so they can disable the GPI and cruise unless the clutch is released. Does the EFM clutch have a way to "spoof" this input. I would think this would be something they would think about before selling a clutch for an S10 application.

- Mark

 

[EricV]

I will be installing my new EFM clutch next week and I am wondering if this will affect the GPI in some negative way. Plus, I wonder about the cruise control dropping off when, say the bike is in CC and starts heading downhill and the RPMs go down...hope this resolves. News coming next week if anybody is interested.

If I understand the EFM clutch correctly, it's not going to release when you're just heading downhill at speed. Your rpms won't drop, it only releases at low rpms. The steady CC speed shouldn't really impact it the way a down shiift does. In regards to GPI, that will be interesting, but since it's based on rpm and speed, it should still show what gear you are in, as the ratios don't change. It won't have the interruption of the clutch switch, but I don't know how/if that really is required for the GPI to change gears or if it's just more of a signal to show the - when the clutch is pulled in.

It will be interesting to see your results.

 

[scott123007]

An EFM clutch is no different than a Rekluse clutch. It disengages at idle so your bike won't stall. Other than that, or in very technical riding where it will slip a little bit for you in the middle of its engagement process, it is exactly like your OEM clutch. There will be no difference in the way your CC works, and your gear indicator will operate exactly as it does now, albeit a little confusion in first gear at low speeds. With your auto clutch, if you ride your bike in such a high gear that you constantly hear your clutch slipping when you accelerate, you had better change your riding style or it will get expensive for you in short order.

An interesting side note to the - that is shown when the clutch is disengaged. It has little to do with the clutch and everything to do with speed/rpm. You can change gears without pulling in your clutch and the - will still show as it goes from one gear to the next.