ECUnleashed Gen2 - RESULTS ONLY

[~TABASCO~]

I wanted to throw out my $.02....... I have a customers bike in the shop that has all the goodies, pipe, headers, air filter, PCV, AT..... He had the Gen I flash and his bike was set up just like mine. We just got his Gen II flash in a few days ago. I wrapped up his bike today and took it for a test ride. The Gen II is significantly different for Gen I. There is a much bigger difference between (s) & (t).. Its almost as if they turned down the (t) mode and turned up the (s) mode. The (s) mode with these other mods on this bike is FREAKING bad ass.. The input of the throttle in (s) mode is much sharper and more responsive. From 'about' 3500-4000 up its a totally different bike compared to Gen I.... Again im referring as a static test with the other supporting mods on this particular bike. I will say this is a very nice upgrade compared to Gen I...... I cant give any differences on a stock bike or close to stock, but it looks like they did a nice job on re working this Gen II......

 

[Tallgears]

I wanted to throw out my $.02....... I have a customers bike in the shop that has all the goodies, pipe, headers, air filter, PCV, AT..... He had the Gen I flash and his bike was set up just like mine. We just got his Gen II flash in a few days ago. I wrapped up his bike today and took it for a test ride. The Gen II is significantly different for Gen I. There is a much bigger difference between (s) & (t).. Its almost as if they turned down the (t) mode and turned up the (s) mode. The (s) mode with these other mods on this bike is FREAKING bad ass.. The input of the throttle in (s) mode is much sharper and more responsive. From 'about' 3500-4000 up its a totally different bike compared to Gen I.... Again im referring as a static test with the other supporting mods on this particular bike. I will say this is a very nice upgrade compared to Gen I...... I cant give any differences on a stock bike or close to stock, but it looks like they did a nice job on re working this Gen II......

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[~TABASCO~]

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GEN II will eat rear tires twice as fast...... ::26::

 

[snakebitten]

::26::

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You don't think you are getting away with that as your ride report?

Although, the more I think about it, what more is there to say than ::26:: ?

 

[Rasher]

Although, the more I think about it, what more is there to say than ::26:: ?

Exactly :exclaim:

I am glad I held out for the Gen2 as by all accounts the Gen1 did little more than the CJM (i.e. removed throttle body restrictions) where the really big gains where in the closed loop area initially untouched - which also explained why there was the massive difference between a Flashed bike and a Flashed bike with a PC-5 and O2 optimisation.

Nice to see the confirmation of the difference between the two coming in, this now means those who do not want a huge expense can get a very different engine for a few hundred quid / bucks, as opposed to a grand plus required when you needed all the power commander guff.

As reports (including press) from the Diapson Flash suggested a very different level of performance I am wondering if perhaps they had already sorted the closed loop fuelling, certainly those reporting back from that Flash seemed to describe a big difference. I was just put off by the hassle of international shipping, dealing across a language barrier and the possibility of the Tax Man nabbing the box and holding it to ransom on its return.

Be interesting to lineup an Off The Road, Diapson and ECU-U bike and compare notes.

 

[True Grip]

For me procrastination and patience is a blurry line but when i return from Colorado my ECU is going to Texas. I can't stand this praise any longer ;D

 

[triman11427]

I got my ECU as promised, and I can report that it was worth the wait I took a quick spin and its a significant improvement over Gen 1. Since I have no other S10 to compare it too, my bike is my only experience. Stumbles, vibration, and other issues are something I would have thought are normal for this bike had I not done the flashes. I had nothing to compare it too. So now that I've gotten this second flash I am happy to report that the stumble I realized I had is gone. The vibrations I felt have been greatly reduced and the bike is now much more comfortable to ride. As reported, the last gen flash felt very similar between T and S modes. Now there is a huge difference. In Sport mode the bike really takes off when given throttle. T mode is improved over stock and is a very nice setting for normal cruising. ECUnleashed got this right and although most things can be improved, IMHO this is very close to where I want to be. I'm sure someone can find fault and point out areas in need of improvement. I can live with this for the foreseeable future. If there comes a Gen 3 I will wait for the reviews, but at this point I would encourage those so inclined to either reflash from Gen 1 or just jump into Gen 2. You won't be disappointed.
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[Tallgears]

You don't think you are getting away with that as your ride report?

Although, the more I think about it, what more is there to say than ::26:: ?

So. I took about a 50 mile route to work today to try out the new ECU Gen 2 flash.

My bike has the following performance mods: ECU Gen II flash, PCV, AT, Full Arrow Headers and arrow muffler, BMC Air filter.

I had the the Gen1 flash and was very pleased with it primarily because it lifted the first 3 gear power restriction, but I was still having to adjust the fuel to reduce the surging/stalling. It fixed it for the most part but I still felt like I had to rev the bike too much to get it to take off in first gear smoothly.

Gen II flash results; Short version = ::26:: ::26::

Long version: Wow, what a difference. This is how the flash should have been from the get go. I'm really glad ECUnleashed gave this Gen II flash for free. It is like the bike has a different motor. The beast wakes up way earlier now. The closed loop area is way too fun to play in.

I'm pretty sure I'm only going to get like 5k out of my K60's now lol.

Another note. S mode is so peppy now I could actually see myself using the T mode for the first time ever.

I'll post another review after I get a few hundred miles on this new setup.

::008::

 

[Karson]

The cool thing about T-mode now is it's still got more nuts throughout, but the throttle response/power delivery is smooooooth. S mode on the other hand is a whole different story. Crazy transformation.

 

[Red dust]

Lot of people with the flash say it is so smooth, does that mean that a lot of the sometimes harsh vibrations is gone?

 

[triman11427]

Lot of people with the flash say it is so smooth, does that mean that a lot of the sometimes harsh vibrations is gone?

The short answer is yes.

 

[Red dust]

Well my one pounder end bar weights did NOT work (just came in from a good ride), actually think it made my hands worse. What a waste of money! But they did work a bit on my R1 in the past.
Maybe the flash and a few more k`s/miles on the clock will help.
Will put back the stock set up with hand guards and try to return the aftermarket end bar weights.

 

[HoebSTer]

::26:: ok first off, my ECU just ate some wheaties, and ran to Popeyes house for all his spinach! This thing rocks! But honestly I think I prefer the Gen 1 flash. Here's how: while riding some spirited twisty roads in 2-3rd gears staying between 4k-6500 rpm it pulls hard and I feel in control of this thing. NOT NOW! When in 2nd gear twisty road 25-40 mph 4k-5000 k I better be holding on, oh and not to mention the TCS bulb is now flashing often in TC1. Anyone know where I can buy a case of bulbs?
I do notice a decrease of decel popping. As for the T mode, this seems milder than before, and I even feel a hesitation in the 2-3000 rpm range, but is milder nd better on fuel economy. After the fuel mileage dropped to 44.5 in S mode, the switching to T mode quickly went back up to 45.3 showing overall average, not the instant mpg.
I too will be using T mode more now, and learn to use higher gear to reduce the pull in S mode.

 

[Monty]

Re: Re: ECUnleashed Gen2 - RESULTS ONLY

::26:: ok first off, my ECU just ate some wheaties, and ran to Popeyes house for all his spinach! This thing rocks! But honestly I think I prefer the Gen 1 flash. Here's how: while riding some spirited twisty roads in 2-3rd gears staying between 4k-6500 rpm it pulls hard and I feel in control of this thing. NOT NOW! When in 2nd gear twisty road 25-40 mph 4k-5000 k I better be holding on, oh and not to mention the TCS bulb is now flashing often in TC1. Anyone know where I can buy a case of bulbs?
I do notice a decrease of decel popping. As for the T mode, this seems milder than before, and I even feel a hesitation in the 2-3000 rpm range, but is milder nd better on fuel economy. After the fuel mileage dropped to 44.5 in S mode, the switching to T mode quickly went back up to 45.3 showing overall average, not the instant mpg.
I too will be using T mode more now, and learn to use higher gear to reduce the pull in S mode.

Apologies if this seems a bit cheeky, but can't you just open the throttle a bit less sometimes? That works for me anyway.

Matt

 

[Rasher]

Re: Re: ECUnleashed Gen2 - RESULTS ONLY

Apologies if this seems a bit cheeky, but can't you just open the throttle a bit less sometimes? That works for me anyway.

::026:: Sounds to me you need to learn how to control a throttle, it seems as if you think it is an ON / OFF switch and needs to either be fully open or fully closed.

I reckon my Gen2 bike has the most linear and responsive throttle I have ever used, I spend a lot of time on narrow unclassified roads, often in 2nd and 3rd gear and have no issues, if I open the throttle a little it pulls a little, if I open it a bit more, it pulls a bit harder, if I swing on the throttle like a Chimpanzee on a Vine it goes mental and the TC light comes on - All of this is exactly how I want it ::008::

 

[RENOVATOR20]

I installed the ECU unleasehed gen 2 flash two days ago. Then I did the throttle body sync after opening up the sync screw on the rt 3/4 turn. I can definately feel the increase in power and throttle response. There is now a clear difference between T and S mode. I still have some popping when decellerating but it is less than before. At idle, in gear at 8mph, it is not smooth as before these changes (some surging). Should I readjust the throttle bodies? I am pleased with the results so far, but still need some tweaking.
Randy

 

[X5]

Can't wait to see what the dyno said...

Any Gen I v Gen II dyno comparisons yet? The superlatives are just too good.....

 

[HoebSTer]

Re: Re: ECUnleashed Gen2 - RESULTS ONLY

Apologies if this seems a bit cheeky, but can't you just open the throttle a bit less sometimes? That works for me anyway.

Matt

Uh yeah no kidding! 22 years of riding, over 120k miles ridden, recent MSF instructor, I think I know when to use more or less throttle. In order to check and compare the power ranges, where the power used to be and how it was delivered and now, it is best to goto the rpm range to experience the new variations. As noted, I am always looking at a balance of riding fun factor, safety, and fuel economy.

Thanks for your thoughts Monty!

Jeff

 

[simmons1]

Above 3k RPM's the flash rocks. After further riding, my low RPM surging was still there (0's in the PCV, fueling completely reliant on ECU in that region). Played around with my fuel table on the PCV and got it smooth again, but it did not fix the surging problem after all. However, I planned on keeping my PCV + AT anyway, so it's all good.

EDIT: my mods are headers, slipon and PCV+AT in case anyone else is looking for a similar setup

I just got home from a week in the Smokies on my Wing and installed my ECU in the Tenere a little while ago. I agree that GEN 2 flash is a vast improvement over the GEN 1 flash except low RPMS.

My bike is similar to yours in setup and I still have surging from 3K and less. I wound up adding some fuel in the fuel table from 3K down with the PCV in the part throttle settings to get rid of the surging and also the popping on decel. I left my AFR values blank so that I only get fuel in the problem areas. I had to do the same thing with GEN 1 flash.

I am glad ECUnleashed stepped up to the plate with an improved flash at no cost.

 

[Monty]

Re: Re: Re: ECUnleashed Gen2 - RESULTS ONLY

Uh yeah no kidding! 22 years of riding, over 120k miles ridden, recent MSF instructor, I think I know when to use more or less throttle. In order to check and compare the power ranges, where the power used to be and how it was delivered and now, it is best to goto the rpm range to experience the new variations. As noted, I am always looking at a balance of riding fun factor, safety, and fuel economy.

Thanks for your thoughts Monty!

Jeff

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