ECUnleashed Gen2 - RESULTS ONLY

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As for the T mode, this seems milder than before, and I even feel a hesitation in the 2-3000 rpm range, but is milder and better on fuel economy.
Oh no! Is your bike stock? I was hoping that the Gen -2 would not downgrade the Gen -1 "T" mode , especially bring back the hesitation. Can you clarify the "hesitation" that you are noticing?

My bike is stock and it ran perfect with the first re-flash, now I'm wondering if I should get my Gen -1 ECU back before they change it.

Thanks for clarifying...
 

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:-* be nice monty... we are all legends in our own mind ::26:: ::26::
I have a badge for first aid from when I was a kid, but I don't usually like to mention it as I don't want others to feel inadequate. :)

You are right, though. No offence intended. :26:
 

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AlsoRan said:
Oh no! Is your bike stock? I was hoping that the Gen -2 would not downgrade the Gen -1 "T" mode , especially bring back the hesitation. Can you clarify the "hesitation" that you are noticing?

My bike is stock and it ran perfect with the first re-flash, now I'm wondering if I should get my Gen -1 ECU back before they change it.

Thanks for clarifying...
Stock?? I have gen2 ECU, wasp can, k & n filter, CO settings +6, idle screw set 270 degrees out and 35 other farkles on it! Nope not really stock.

Overall, I don't think the lower rpm's are smoother. With Gen1 I could sit in traffic S mode 1st or 2nd gear creeping at 10-15 mph 1500-1800 rpm with no jerky feeling. I will have to see how this works now in traffic and S mode, JUST FOR COMPARISON of smoothness, as I understand traffic will be better in T mode already.
 

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With Gen1 I could sit in traffic S mode 1st or 2nd gear creeping at 10-15 mph 1500-1800 rpm with no jerky feeling.
So now your talking about the surge, this is well known with de-catted headers, mine was awful pre-flash and is now far better, still does it a little, but I can hold 30mph in 3rd or 4th now, I now only get this when trying to hold a steady 18-19mph in second - again IMO it is easy to ride around, but I have had around 150,000 miles on motorcycles, so you will probably get the hang of these throttles and gears over the next 30k ;)

But earlier you were actually implying you could not control the bike...

But honestly I think I prefer the Gen 1 flash. Here's how: while riding some spirited twisty roads in 2-3rd gears staying between 4k-6500 rpm it pulls hard and I feel in control of this thing. NOT NOW! When in 2nd gear twisty road 25-40 mph 4k-5000 k I better be holding on
Well in my 150k miles I have found holding on is a good idea, especially when accelerating quickly, in my case this knowledge is backed up by a GCSE in Physics which confirms when accelerating the laws of Newton come into affect and without holding on you will indeed fall off.

You also mention the pull at full throttle in 2nd concerning you - well try 3rd (again after 150k miles I have discovered that the gear ratios overlap enough for you to be able to use more than one gear at a particular speed) or use a bit less throttle, the throttle is a linear device connected to a potentiometer (something I learned about whilst an apprentice electronics engineer, and with over fifteen years working on electronic equipment I can clarify these definitely have multiple settings) this will reduce the amount of acceleration and decrease the amount of holding on required - it will also reduce the flashing of the TC light which also seems of great concern.

I hope this helps ;)
 

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HoebSTer said:
Stock?? I have gen2 ECU, wasp can, k & n filter, CO settings +6, idle screw set 270 degrees out and 35 other farkles on it! Nope not really stock.

Overall, I don't think the lower rpm's are smoother. With Gen1 I could sit in traffic S mode 1st or 2nd gear creeping at 10-15 mph 1500-1800 rpm with no jerky feeling. I will have to see how this works now in traffic and S mode, JUST FOR COMPARISON of smoothness, as I understand traffic will be better in T mode already.
I have the opposite reaction. Since the gen2 I think the lower level rpm is much better and can easily cruise in traffic at very low rpms with no surging.
 

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Rasher said:
So now your talking about the surge, this is well known with de-catted headers, mine was awful pre-flash and is now far better, still does it a little, but I can hold 30mph in 3rd or 4th now, I now only get this when trying to hold a steady 18-19mph in second - again IMO it is easy to ride around, but I have had around 150,000 miles on motorcycles, so you will probably get the hang of these throttles and gears over the next 30k ;)

But earlier you were actually implying you could not control the bike...

Well in my 150k miles I have found holding on is a good idea, especially when accelerating quickly, in my case this knowledge is backed up by a GCSE in Physics which confirms when accelerating the laws of Newton come into affect and without holding on you will indeed fall off.

You also mention the pull at full throttle in 2nd concerning you - well try 3rd (again after 150k miles I have discovered that the gear ratios overlap enough for you to be able to use more than one gear at a particular speed) or use a bit less throttle, the throttle is a linear device connected to a potentiometer (something I learned about whilst an apprentice electronics engineer, and with over fifteen years working on electronic equipment I can clarify these definitely have multiple settings) this will reduce the amount of acceleration and decrease the amount of holding on required - it will also reduce the flashing of the TC light which also seems of great concern.

I hope this helps ;)
Now you are just showing off, telling everyone that there are different gears and stuff. :D

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Tallgears said:
I have the opposite reaction. Since the gen2 I think the lower level rpm is much better and can easily cruise in traffic at very low rpms with no surging.
Complete 180 from the last guy I asked who said theres hesitation etc. Is your bike set up with all the mods as well or stock?

Thanks, I'm trying to get a straight answer on the "T" mode performance.
 

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AlsoRan said:
Complete 180 from the last guy I asked who said theres hesitation etc. Is your bike set up with all the mods as well or stock?

Thanks, I'm trying to get a straight answer on the "T" mode performance.
Tallgears has virtually all the good stuff.


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Rasher said:
So now your talking about the surge, this is well known with de-catted headers, mine was awful pre-flash and is now far better, still does it a little, but I can hold 30mph in 3rd or 4th now, I now only get this when trying to hold a steady 18-19mph in second - again IMO it is easy to ride around, but I have had around 150,000 miles on motorcycles, so you will probably get the hang of these throttles and gears over the next 30k ;)

But earlier you were actually implying you could not control the bike...

Well in my 150k miles I have found holding on is a good idea, especially when accelerating quickly, in my case this knowledge is backed up by a GCSE in Physics which confirms when accelerating the laws of Newton come into affect and without holding on you will indeed fall off.

You also mention the pull at full throttle in 2nd concerning you - well try 3rd (again after 150k miles I have discovered that the gear ratios overlap enough for you to be able to use more than one gear at a particular speed) or use a bit less throttle, the throttle is a linear device connected to a potentiometer (something I learned about whilst an apprentice electronics engineer, and with over fifteen years working on electronic equipment I can clarify these definitely have multiple settings) this will reduce the amount of acceleration and decrease the amount of holding on required - it will also reduce the flashing of the TC light which also seems of great concern.

I hope this helps ;)
I worded it a bit odd. I am always holding onto bars and rarely ride with one hand to rest. I noticed I had to grip harder to counter the additional pull it had from before. That is all. Maybe I need to take the risers back off so I am not completely vertical in my back position and lean a bit more forward.

I have yet to test in slow traffic in S mode to see if it does well just off idle in either 1st or 2nd.
 

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Tallgears has virtually all the good stuff.


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Lol yep. My bike isn't stock. It has the Full arrow system, PCV, BMC air filter and Gen II flash as far as power is concerned. I just rode home from work and hit some stop n go traffic on I30.... Before I hated the way I had to rev the bike to get it going in 1st.. Now I can give it moderate throttle and slowly let out clutch like normal and it pulls forward without hesitation or surging. I would highly recommend this setup.

I've got a couple hundred miles on the Gen II flash now -- The power between 3-4k is addictive to use. Crazy different.

Do the flash, its GREAT!
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Where do you guys in the south west send your ECU's for the Gen2 Flash and what is the charge for this mod?
AF1 racing in Texas. They are an Ecu Unleashed dealer. Search AF1 racing and you should see a bunch of threads on the subject. It's a different machine with the flash!

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Where do you guys in the south west send your ECU's for the Gen2 Flash and what is the charge for this mod?

As Coastie mentions above - AF-1 Racing is arguably the very best place you can send your ECU to for an ECUnleashed re-flash. Here's a link to their web site:

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/default.asp

The person you want to contact there is a fellow named Ed Cook, and you can easly reach by email at mailto:info@af1racing.com

Here's the rest of the pertinent contact info for their main store, which is in New Braunfels, TX:

AF1 Racing Aprilia / Vespa / Piaggio / Moto-Guzzi
699 W. San Antonio St.
New Braunfels, TX 78130
Phone: 830-626-3966
Toll-free: 877-626-3966
Fax: 830-626-3969

And here's the info for their Austin, TX store... Ed is often there, just in case you can't reach him at the New Braunfels shop.

AF1 Racing Austin Aprilia / Vespa / Piaggio / Moto-Guzzi
304 E Cesar Chavez
Austin, TX 78701
Phone: 512-482-8377

Hope this helps!

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As Coastie mentions above - AF-1 Racing is arguably the very best place you can send your ECU to for an ECUnleashed re-flash. Here's a link to their web site:

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/default.asp

The person you want to contact there is a fellow named Ed Cook, and you can easly reach by email at mailto:info@af1racing.com

Here's the rest of the pertinent contact info for their main store, which is in New Braunfels, TX:

AF1 Racing Aprilia / Vespa / Piaggio / Moto-Guzzi
699 W. San Antonio St.
New Braunfels, TX 78130
Phone: 830-626-3966
Toll-free: 877-626-3966
Fax: 830-626-3969

And here's the info for their Austin, TX store... Ed is often there, just in case you can't reach him at the New Braunfels shop.

AF1 Racing Austin Aprilia / Vespa / Piaggio / Moto-Guzzi
304 E Cesar Chavez
Austin, TX 78701
Phone: 512-482-8377

Hope this helps!

Dallara




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Dang Dallara, What % kickback do you get for being AF1's personal advertising service.. LoL.
 

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Dang Dallara, What % kickback do you get for being AF1's personal advertising service.. LoL.

Not so much as a single, thin dime... I'm just a satisfied AF-1 customer. Been doing business with them for years, ever since I had my Aprilia Tuono, and I've known Ed longer than that.

I like to support good dealers who have outstanding customer service, and Ed and AF-1 fit that description precisely. Add to that the fact that everyone that works at either of AF-1's stores is a true motorcycle *enthusiast*... many of them are racers, and all of them ride and enjoy it... and to me you have a recipe for a great place to do business. In the context of this particular thread it's important to note that they have extensive experience in tuning all sorts of electronic fuel injection systems as well as having a fantastic Mustang water-brake dyno and computerized tuning cell. In short, they know what they're doing, and they like doing it.

AF-1 is one of the *GOOD* guys when it comes to motorcycle product dealers in the USA. ::008::

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(quote) AF-1 Racing is arguably the very best place you can send your ECU to for an ECUnleashed re-flash. Here's a link to their web site:

Which begs the question...can someone screw up a reflash? I sent mine to Riva Yamaha in Miami Fl. because it was only a 3 day turnaround. They told me it is a "map" that is imported to them from ECUnleashed and then flashed into my ECU, so I figured that anyone that is an ECUnleashed Dealer could do it the same as any other dealer. Is this not correct?. I don't know if it's the Arrow headers or something else, but after all the hoopla, I was expecting a little more. Yes, it's more responsive right off idle in either T or S mode, but I really don't feel much of a power increase like others have stated, the top end speed is identical, and there is still that low RPM surging that all of us with the headers have.
 

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Tallgears said:
Dang Dallara, What % kickback do you get for being AF1's personal advertising service.. LoL.
Tallgears,

If you ever find yourself in the area, (New Braunfels) stop in. You'll see why Dallara speaks so well of Ed and AF1.

And you will be standing in Aprillia heaven too. Whether you ever wanted one or not, seeing all the serious Italian raceware is hard to ignore.
 

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scott123007 said:
Which begs the question...can someone screw up a reflash? I sent mine to Riva Yamaha in Miami Fl. because it was only a 3 day turnaround. They told me it is a "map" that is imported to them from ECUnleashed and then flashed into my ECU, so I figured that anyone that is an ECUnleashed Dealer could do it the same as any other dealer. Is this not correct?. I don't know if it's the Arrow headers or something else, but after all the hoopla, I was expecting a little more. Yes, it's more responsive right off idle in either T or S mode, but I really don't feel much of a power increase like others have stated, the top end speed is identical, and there is still that low RPM surging that all of us with the headers have.
The GenII fuel map is seriously lacking fuel in 1-4k at 2-5% throttle when the arrows are bolted up. A PC-V (no autotune needed) would fix it. But that begs the question, who/how many testers did they have for the flash? Whoever they had testing the flashes before release clearly didn't have Arrow headers.

Maybe fueling is a band-aid fix for us with the arrows/flash, AVC's working on a different theory that might be more accurate in terms of a cure.
 
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