You're selling your bike, you're moving on, what NEXT ?

[Defekticon]

The super tenere isn't worth selling.

For what it fetches on the market, it's not worth it to me to sell. So I tried buying two other bikes, a KTM 500 EXC and a Kawasaki Concours. almost 9 years later, guess which bike is still here and the others have moved on....

Within the past couple months I debated a new GS1250, a Super Adventure or even an 890R, an Africa Twin, a T7, tuono 660, desert sled and a Harley PanAmerica.

Ended up buying a new suspension for the S10 and keeping it. I also realized I'm not really a two plated bike kinda person. I thought owning the right tool for the job vs one that's kinda ok at everything was the right way to go. I also realized I'm just not going to ever justify owning a bike that's small enough for single track and still have a plate. I'd rather just have a 2 stroke 250 and a hitch carrier (someday I'll buy that bike). That's why I sold the 500 EXC, even though it was an awesome bike, it was basically a wheelie death machine that was either on one wheel or spinning the rear all the time. Don't get me wrong it was a blast, but everytime I pushed it, I'd end up braking a rib when falling off on single track.

No other motorcycle has motivated me enough to justify selling what I have and moving to a new bike.

The only bike that came close was the Africa twin, the suspension, the electronics, and the bike itself were all what I was looking for. BUT - The engine needed another 40HP to get me motivated to go to a chain driven bike.

If there were a bike on the market that had:
500-550lb wet weight, 19inch front tire, 130hp, shaft drive, electronically controlled suspension on par with the AT or 890R Rally, decent wind protection and - android auto (yeah whatever, I said it) I'd be motivated. I'd be double motivated if it were a yamaha and it looked as cool as a super tenere does.

 

[SuckSqueezeBangBlow]

If there were a bike on the market that had:
500-550lb wet weight, 19inch front tire, 130hp, shaft drive, electronically controlled suspension on par with the AT or 890R Rally, decent wind protection and - android auto (yeah whatever, I said it) I'd be motivated. I'd be double motivated if it were a yamaha and it looked as cool as a super tenere does.

You know that you just described the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Pro right? 540lbs, 19" front tire, 148 hp, shaft drive, electronic suspension that is way better than the AT, decent wind protection and while it doesn't have Android Auto it does have My Triumph which gives you control over your music, phone and a GPS all on the TFT display. Some have complained about the My Triumph but I have not had any problems.

 

[~TABASCO~]

Someone mentioned to me the other day, that the Triumph Tiger 1200 rally pro was about $25K US..... Is that correct ? Ive not taken the time to go poke around... When did so many of these ADV bike go over $20K + each.... ?

As I sit and think for a moment, these Super Tenere bikes being sold with low miles for $5 - $7500 seem like a steel !


I have another question.... I continually talk with people and read on several ADV forums that many new buyers don't want the "electronics"... Every person is different. But I would like to get an idea of WHY? Is it because of up front cost? Ive read post where a few people are very vocal about not wanting "fancy electronics"... Question to those folks, If a manufacture let you barrow a bike for 6-12 months, would you NOT take up the offer because it has these electronics ? Or would you gladly take and use the hell out of the bike for 6-12 months ?
My ADV friends and I have had this conversation before, and when we all drill down into it, most of the folks admit not wanting to pay for these items. And then say "I'll never use that", on a machine they have never ridden or even tried. So it boiled down to money and cost.

I wonder how many folks have tried some of these new machines that have these items that a Super Tenere does not have.. And after they got off a test ride, or a friends bike they said..... "no way, all that new stuff is useless and total crap, I would never ride that garbage".... I gotta hear that story from that person ! Maybe we can all learn something.
I typically have found the total opposite, after a friend has tried a new bike that has these type new "options", the feed back I typically ALWAYS hear is "Wow, that is really nice! I really like XXXXXX and XXXXXX , I really liked the XXXXX, if it wasn't $xxxxxxxxxxx much money I would have to maybe go get one of those ! What a nice machine"

 

[SuckSqueezeBangBlow]

Someone mentioned to me the other day, that the Triumph Tiger 1200 rally pro was about $25K US..... Is that correct ? Ive not taken the time to go poke around... When did so many of these ADV bike go over $20K + each.... ?

As I sit and think for a moment, these Super Tenere bikes being sold with low miles for $5 - $7500 seem like a steel !


I have another question.... I continually talk with people and read on several ADV forums that many new buyers don't want the "electronics"... Every person is different. But I would like to get an idea of WHY? Is it because of up front cost? Ive read post where a few people are very vocal about not wanting "fancy electronics"... Question to those folks, If a manufacture let you barrow a bike for 6-12 months, would you NOT take up the offer because it has these electronics ? Or would you gladly take and use the hell out of the bike for 6-12 months ?
My ADV friends and I have had this conversation before, and when we all drill down into it, most of the folks admit not wanting to pay for these items. And then say "I'll never use that", on a machine they have never ridden or even tried. So it boiled down to money and cost.

I wonder how many folks have tried some of these new machines that have these items that a Super Tenere does not have.. And after they got off a test ride, or a friends bike they said..... "no way, all that new stuff is useless and total crap, I would never ride that garbage".... I gotta hear that story from that person ! Maybe we can all learn something.
I typically have found the total opposite, after a friend has tried a new bike that has these type new "options", the feed back I typically ALWAYS hear is "Wow, that is really nice! I really like XXXXXX and XXXXXX , I really liked the XXXXX, if it wasn't $xxxxxxxxxxx much money I would have to maybe go get one of those ! What a nice machine"

Might be a bit high at $25k, I think that would be for the Explorer version of the Rally Pro which has more settings plus more customizable ones, all the guards and the 30L tank among other things. The step down is probably in the $21k range US I would think. All I can say is that the suspension is night and day different, even just on regular rough roads but as you said the price reflects that.

 

[Sierra1]

Someone mentioned to me the other day, that the Triumph Tiger 1200 rally pro was about $25K US..... Is that correct ? Ive not taken the time to go poke around... When did so many of these ADV bike go over $20K + each.... ?

See? That's why when people talk about the Tenere being outdated, and obsolete . . . . I get confused. 'Cuz my thunder lizard has exactly what I want/need on a bike, and she cost "X". Those other bikes DO have all the bells and whistles, but they cost "X+". About the only "new-fangled" thing I would like is the TCS/ABS that works when leaned over. The rest of the cool stuff, I wouldn't use often enough to warrant the extra money.

Money was not the issue per se when I decided to go Tenere. Before my hatred of BMW, I had planned on saving my pennies and getting a GS. Thought it would be worth it. When I discovered that Yamaha had a version of the GS, case closed. But I'm weird, I prefer less technology. And, it's not a money thing, more a reliability thing. Maybe all that stuff is bike proof, maybe not.

And you have a point about picking up used T-12s for well under $10k. How well are these other brands holding their resale value? Is there still a large gap in price in the used market?

 

[Sierra1]

Might be a bit high at $25k, I think that would be for the Explorer version of the Rally Pro which has more settings plus more customizable ones, all the guards and the 30L tank among other things. The step down is probably in the $21k range US I would think. All I can say is that the suspension is night and day different, even just on regular rough roads but as you said the price reflects that.

On the Triumph website: Tiger 1200 Rally Pro: From $22,500. The Rally Explorer: From $24,200 Easy to pick up a couple Gen IIs for the price of one of these new bikes. Priorities.

 

[fac191]

Might be a bit high at $25k, I think that would be for the Explorer version of the Rally Pro which has more settings plus more customizable ones, all the guards and the 30L tank among other things. The step down is probably in the $21k range US I would think. All I can say is that the suspension is night and day different, even just on regular rough roads but as you said the price reflects that.

When you say about the suspension are you comparing it to the previous Tiger or the Tenere?.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

That's why I sold the 500 EXC, even though it was an awesome bike, it was basically a wheelie death machine that was either on one wheel or spinning the rear all the time. Don't get me wrong it was a blast, but everytime I pushed it, I'd end up braking a rib when falling off on single track.

I understand your experience completely. I always described my 520 EXC as the most fun and scariest bike I ever owned. I loved it in the morning when I was fresh. When I was spent in the afternoon it was still ready to rock and capable of putting me into a tree in the blink of an exhausted eye. I sold it for self preservation.

 

[McJeep]

Not selling my tenere - unnnnnnnnnnnnless I trip over a low mile F6B

 

[SuckSqueezeBangBlow]

When you say about the suspension are you comparing it to the previous Tiger or the Tenere?.

Comparing the suspension of my 2018 Tenere to the 2023 Tiger GT Explorer.

 

[Checkswrecks]

... When did so many of these ADV bike go over $20K + each.... ?

As I sit and think for a moment, these Super Tenere bikes being sold with low miles for $5 - $7500 seem like a steel !
...

About the same as cars having gotten so expensive.

So yes, even a new Tenere is a steal.

A new GS at Bobs starts at $22,780 and as noted, CycleTrader has new 1200 Triumphs starting between $21k & $22k plus TTL. Motoworks Chicago has a used Triumph with only 1,266 miles for $17k which is a lot of new tech for near the price of a new Tenere. Bet the warranty would transfer too. They also have a new one for $18,500 plus TTL.

 

[Sierra1]

About the same as cars having gotten so expensive. . . .

For pretty much the same reason(s). Even without inflation, there's all of the new bells & whistles that apparently people can't live without.

 

[fac191]

Comparing the suspension of my 2018 Tenere to the 2023 Tiger GT Explorer.

Thanks for the reply. Do you have the new Tiger ?. If so what are your thoughts on the engine ?. I am going on reviews which are done on new engines which are not yet run in. I would hope that with a few thou on them they would be better. I rode the original one and the engine was great. Considering the new design spins up quicker i dont see the need for them to mimick a V Twin to get more torque and then introduce vibes. Proper gearing low down is what you want to control a bike off road anyway. A friend has the Speed Triple RR which doesnt use the same engine and says its fantastic.

 

[StefanOnHisS10]

Getting back to Jaxon’s original post:
My plan is to keep the S10 forever as long as I can afford it and add bikes to the collection. I am very happy with it, only regret selling to OE seat (with the beautiful blue stripe) to get a Touratech. Should have kept it to make the bike complete again.
Yes there are more advanced bikes out there with better suspension etc but I don’t care. This bike has been developed with quality in mind, and since I am a tech-guy I can appreciate that.

Summarized: I hope to grow old and grumpy with it and show people we used to have ICE and top quality when I was young.

 

[cyclemike4]

Someone mentioned to me the other day, that the Triumph Tiger 1200 rally pro was about $25K US..... Is that correct ? Ive not taken the time to go poke around... When did so many of these ADV bike go over $20K + each.... ?

As I sit and think for a moment, these Super Tenere bikes being sold with low miles for $5 - $7500 seem like a steel !


I have another question.... I continually talk with people and read on several ADV forums that many new buyers don't want the "electronics"... Every person is different. But I would like to get an idea of WHY? Is it because of up front cost? Ive read post where a few people are very vocal about not wanting "fancy electronics"... Question to those folks, If a manufacture let you barrow a bike for 6-12 months, would you NOT take up the offer because it has these electronics ? Or would you gladly take and use the hell out of the bike for 6-12 months ?
My ADV friends and I have had this conversation before, and when we all drill down into it, most of the folks admit not wanting to pay for these items. And then say "I'll never use that", on a machine they have never ridden or even tried. So it boiled down to money and cost.

I wonder how many folks have tried some of these new machines that have these items that a Super Tenere does not have.. And after they got off a test ride, or a friends bike they said..... "no way, all that new stuff is useless and total crap, I would never ride that garbage".... I gotta hear that story from that person ! Maybe we can all learn something.
I typically have found the total opposite, after a friend has tried a new bike that has these type new "options", the feed back I typically ALWAYS hear is "Wow, that is really nice! I really like XXXXXX and XXXXXX , I really liked the XXXXX, if it wasn't $xxxxxxxxxxx much money I would have to maybe go get one of those ! What a nice machine"

Yes I would take a ride that I could just use for 6 months and I would ride it as long as I was not paying for it. Not that I don't want to pay for the electronics it is I don't want the electronics. But hey a free bike for 6 months is a free bike. haha. I have rode some new bikes. All of them loaded with electronics I struggled with. I rode a new GS and it wanted to do everything for me. I learned to ride when you had to know how to ride. the things I was doing the bike was trying to do for me. It just didn't work for me. Not that I am any kind of an expert rider but I am a skilled rider that over many years have learned skills for self preservation. I do not need a bike with hill start or linked brakes or slipper clutches or machines that blip the throttle for me at any time. Taking off or down shifting. It just is not for me. Not to mention that stuff will at some point will mess up. I don't need that either. I rode that GS then I rode a T7 the very next bike. If I had been buying the T7 would be my bike over the GS. But it looks like everything is all about the software these days so I better get used to that it looks like. Of course i could ride my bush pig till the eco people make it against the law to buy parts for it. haha.

 

[~TABASCO~]

I have a feeling (gut feeling) that the industry is going to split in the next several years.. It's actually already happening. We are just beginning to be "conditioned" to the new "rules".

My point- The new KTM that are 'experimenting' with their demo days, or demo ride. It comes with all the software and components on the the bike you have just bought. You get to play / experience all these items for 2500-5000 miles. After that they drop off and are deactivated, unless you want to pay for them. BMW cars (Ive read about) now come with many-many items at the factory that you have paid for. But they will not let you use these items unless you pay a onetime 'forever use purchase' , or a month to month type lease on these items (on your car). For instance, one of these items noted in the article is the heated seats. BMW will gradually add more of these items to the list as the public becomes more comfortable with this 'business model'..... Other manufactures are starting this exact same program, and it's NOT just on fancy BMW cars. It has started (from what Ive read) with normal Ford and Chevrolet cars & trucks as well.

Geting back to bikes, as more of these bikes are forcing us to buy different packages like the auto industry. They WILL start to all impose this same type situation as described above with the auto industry. Thats a real drag for sure. The other part of this is the over all cost of this "adventure / sport / passion / toy / relaxation". (We can all agree that there are MANY reasons for all of these inflated prices). At what point is the bike and a few goodies bolted on are $25-$30 K US bucks.... Some people can do this and not blink an eye.... IMOP, the majority of people cant or choose to spend their money in a different way. More responsible way..... LOL

That brings me to the split in the industry..... the other side of that coin is the "mid-field" 650-700 cc bikes with no electronics... For a mere $10-12K. I wonder if in the future the 700 cc will be the "big" bike and most people will be back on 450-500cc adventure bikes? They will be affordable and no electronics or fancy stuff, it will get you out on an adventure, and have a few extra bucks for add ons and fuel.

In some respects the industry is already at this level, but IMOP I get the feeling that it's being driven much more in this divided market. I feel even in the years to come when the world / US economy get back to "normal", there might still be a really big gap between the 1200 cc of the industry and the 500-700 cc of the industry. 'Many' people will have this "CC" dictated not by power, weight, brand, color, it will be clearly dictated by price.

Are any of you getting this "feeling" ? I might be way off, I just have this feeling that many of the 1000 cc + machines are $20K US and over, and on top of that price they want to charge you for the use of items you have already been delivered on your new bike. They want to nickel & dime you to death. The only new ADV bike that has everything "included" and does not tend to fallow this exact trend is the new Ducati Multistrada............ LOL............ I believe the Adventure / S starts at $30K US...........LOL

Not a personal question to anyone, but a general question. Do you see the 700-800 cc range as the new new 'big bike' ?


Your thoughts ?

 

[cyclemike4]

I have a feeling (gut feeling) that the industry is going to split in the next several years.. It's actually already happening. We are just beginning to be "conditioned" to the new "rules".

My point- The new KTM that are 'experimenting' with their demo days, or demo ride. It comes with all the software and components on the the bike you have just bought. You get to play / experience all these items for 2500-5000 miles. After that they drop off and are deactivated, unless you want to pay for them. BMW cars (Ive read about) now come with many-many items at the factory that you have paid for. But they will not let you use these items unless you pay a onetime 'forever use purchase' , or a month to moth type lease on these items (on your car). For instance, one of these items noted in the article is the heated seats. BMW will gradually add more of these items to the list as the public becomes more comfortable with this 'business model'..... Other manufactures are starting this exact same program, and it's NOT just on fancy BMW cars. It has started (from what Ive read) with normal Ford and Chevrolet cars & trucks as well.
Geting back to bikes, as more of these bikes are forcing us to buy different packages like the auto industry they WILL start to all impose this same type situation as described above with the auto industry. Thats a real drag for sure. The other part of this is the over all cost of this "adventure / sport / passion / toy / relaxation". (We can all agree that there are MANY reasons for all of these inflated prices). At what point is the bike and a few goodies bolted on are $25-$30 K US bucks.... Some people can do this and not blink an eye.... IMOP, the majority of people cant or choose to spend their money in a different way. More responsible way..... LOL
That brings me to the split in the industry..... the other side of that coin is the "mid-field" 650-700 cc bikes with no electronics... For a mer $10-12K. I wonder if in the future the 700 cc will be the "big" bike and most people will be back on 450-500cc adventure bikes? They will be affordable and no electronics or fancy stuff, it will get you out on an adventure, and have a few extra bucks for add ons and fuel.
In some respects the industry is already at this level, but IMOP I get the feeling that it's being driven much more in this divided market. I feel even in the years to come when the world / US economy get back to "normal", there might still be a really big gap between the 1200 cc of the industry and the 500-700 cc of the industry. 'Many' people will have this "CC" dictated not by power, weight, brand, color, it will be clearly dictated by price.

Are any of you getting this "feeling" ? I might be way off, I just have this feeling that many of the 1000 cc + machines are $20K US and over, and on top of that price they want to charge you for the use of items you have already been delivered on your new bike. They want to nickel & dime you to death. The only new ADV bike that has everything "included" and does not tend to fallow this exact trend is the new Ducati Multistrada............ LOL............ I believe the Adventure / S starts at $30K US...........LOL

Not a personal question to anyone, but a general question. Do you see the 700-800 cc range as the new new 'big bike' ?


Your thoughts ?

I agree with your thoughts on this. it is headed that way. I know there are a lot of people who somehow can afford any price. I am much better off than I was when my kids were little but as my dad has told me I am tight as the bark on a tree. Of course I didn't fall far from that tree either. I just can't see people continuing to pay such high prices for machines that are a luxury and not a necessity. I do on the other hand use my machines for everything year round. I look at them as necessities. One reason I like simple so I can fix it myself when I need to. Another reason to keep the Super T another million miles at least!

 

[SuckSqueezeBangBlow]

Thanks for the reply. Do you have the new Tiger ?. If so what are your thoughts on the engine ?. I am going on reviews which are done on new engines which are not yet run in. I would hope that with a few thou on them they would be better. I rode the original one and the engine was great. Considering the new design spins up quicker i dont see the need for them to mimick a V Twin to get more torque and then introduce vibes. Proper gearing low down is what you want to control a bike off road anyway. A friend has the Speed Triple RR which doesnt use the same engine and says its fantastic.

Yes I do have a new 2023 Triumph 1200 GT Explorer. First off I have to say that once I had the S10 flashed I really liked the engine, it was smooth and had enough power and grunt. This new engine is really something else, way more power but the difference being in the upper rev range the Tenere was smoother. I have about 6500km on the new bike and it took about 3000 to really start to smooth out, plus to learn how it works. Do I find a bit of vibes? Yes, but you have to be above 6,000 rpm for a longer period of time before you notice, a lighter grip on the bars helps but I just do not notice anything below that range. Again, the Tenere was smoother up around the 6,000 and up range but the Triumph has significantly more grunt up that way, you are comparing the 94 hp compared to 148 hp on a lighter bike, it will get up move a lot faster. Now that being said how much time do you actually spend up there? I find I am not up there very often, but every once in a while that little hooligan creeps into me and I have to let it out
And if you have a passenger they will love that quick shifter, there is just no lag and almost feels like an automatic, no more rocking back and forth for them when you shift.

 

[fac191]

I do think its a great bike and semi active suspension must be lovely to ride on. Nice to hear you can cruise along at a decent rate and not have vibes. They look a decent used buy over here if you want a shaft drive. The dealer servicing is very expensive though. Glad your happy with it. The finish on my 2012 Tiger 800 was very good. Lots of powder coating.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . Not a personal question to anyone, but a general question. Do you see the 700-800 cc range as the new new 'big bike' ? . . . .

Yes. . . .and no. I can see it becoming the more prevalent size. But I think the demand for liter bikes will remain. Because people are willing to pay for it. Just like in cars/trucks.

Even "economy" cars have more features than "luxury" cars of yesteryear. People demand it, and are willing to pay for it. My opinion is that is why the new trend of building only one trim level is becoming more widespread. One assembly line has to reduce production costs. And then there's their bonus of making money on the back end after the sale with the "subscriptions". And the bike market is following the auto industries' lead. Even Yamaha is now only offering the ES.

I really don't see the fancifying so much in the bikes from Japan. And their pricing is far below that of the "premium" brands.

But in the big scheme of things, it really doesn't matter to me. I have my "base" model Jeep that I purposefully ordered without bells and whistles; had to wait 2 months to get it. Apparently, Jeep doesn't even offer what I have anymore. And I have my "low-tech", under powered, overweight, last forever T-12. Steve has proven that she can last for more miles than I will ever put on her.

I'll let the rest of y'all tell me how the other half lives.