Will you take the vaccine

[Wallkeeper]

Reported in today's Star Tribune

Minnesota ICU beds available- are down to single digits
In many hospitals non COVID ICU patients are held in the ER
Minnesota Vax rate is over 70%
Covid ICU cases are 90+ unvaxed

Those are Minnesota's numbers.

 

[WJBertrand]

Reported in today's Star Tribune

Minnesota ICU beds available- are down to single digits
In many hospitals non COVID ICU patients are held in the ER
Minnesota Vax rate is over 70%
Covid ICU cases are 90+ unvaxed

Those are Minnesota's numbers.

That story is pretty much repeated state by state.


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[Checkswrecks]

While the hospitalizations are indeed as bad as ever . . .

Estimated U.S. seven-day rolling average of daily deaths with and without vaccination

Source: Alison Galvani, Seyed M. Moghadas, and Eric C. Schneider, Deaths and Hospitalizations Averted by Rapid U.S. Vaccination Rollout (Commonwealth Fund, July 2021)

 

[SilverBullet]

Curious to know how many of USA's ~800k deaths were fully vaccinated people? World numbers?

I've have searched for this info briefly but couldn't find any clear data.

 

[Sierra1]

I know that there has to be vaccination breakthrough deaths, but everything I've seen and read says it's the unvaccinated that are passing. I also understand it all depends on who's narrative we're seeing. That being said, I do believe that the vaccination is preventing deaths.

 

[Wallkeeper]

I know that there has to be vaccination breakthrough deaths, but everything I've seen and read says it's the unvaccinated that are passing. I also understand it all depends on who's narrative we're seeing. That being said, I do believe that the vaccination is preventing deaths.

And from the numbers, in Minnesota Vaxing is preventing ICU visits by a factor 22.5 to 1. Or in other words in Minnesota, unvaxed folks are 22.5 times more likely to end up in the ICU

a general comment from the same article without statistics "fewer people are leaving the ICU than before Delta"

When you consider our level of knowledge and the therapeutics available, COVID is shaping up to be worse than the 1917-20 influenza outbreak.

IMHO, Not Vaccinating is like smoking......you hear a lot of reasons for it, BUT are any of them good reasons?

A close friend of 55 years passed yesterday from COVID. Unvaxed. His Vaxed wife never had a sniffle. My skin is very thin today

 

[Mak10]

I have a cousin who is in the ICU with Covid. He has had both shots, and the booster shot. My daughter who is a nurse at the local hospital says it’s about 50/50 vaccinated vrs unvaccinated. I don’t have much faith in the “studies” or the media.
Family saying “we’ll if he wasn’t vaccinated-he’d be dead” doesn’t mean much either. Can’t be proven either way.

 

[WJBertrand]

I know that there has to be vaccination breakthrough deaths, but everything I've seen and read says it's the unvaccinated that are passing. I also understand it all depends on who's narrative we're seeing. That being said, I do believe that the vaccination is preventing deaths.

No doubt this is a tricky number to determine. There's a narrative out there that will try classify such as a vaccine caused death rather than a Covid death in a vaccinated person. Had this pandemic occurred in a non-election year, I'm sure the data would be less colored.

 

[Sierra1]

Sadly, I don't think that we're going to have any more "non-election" years. Both sides are playing their games continuously now.

 

[Don T]

Curious to know how many of USA's ~800k deaths were fully vaccinated people? World numbers?

I've have searched for this info briefly but couldn't find any clear data.

I can share some numbers from Denmark, that might be relevant.

At the moment Denmark is testing a higher percentage of the population daily than any other country.
Data is releasede every day at 2 pm.
This is some of the available data from today:

Number of infected pr. 100.000:
Unvaccinated = 215,3
Vaccinated = 100,8

Number of hospitalized pr. 100.000:
Unvaccinated = 29,8
Vaccinated = 6,6

As you can see unvaccinated people are almost 6 times more likely to get hospitalized with Covid19.
If you divide it into age groups the difference becomes bigger the older people are - the non vaccinated above 80 years old are around 20 times more likely to get hospitalized with Covid19, than the vaccinated.

More than 90% of ICU patients with Covid19 are unvaccinated - even though more than 80% of the population is vaccinated...

The source is the official Danish health institute SSI.
You can see the updated data here.

 

[Wallkeeper]

I can share some numbers from Denmark, that might be relevant.

At the moment Denmark is testing a higher percentage of the population daily than any other country.
Data is releasede every day at 2 pm.
This is some of the available data from today:

Number of infected pr. 100.000:
Unvaccinated = 215,3
Vaccinated = 100,8

Number of hospitalized pr. 100.000:
Unvaccinated = 29,8
Vaccinated = 6,6

As you can see unvaccinated people are almost 6 times more likely to get hospitalized with Covid19.
If you divide it into age groups the difference becomes bigger the older people are - the non vaccinated above 80 years old are around 20 times more likely to get hospitalized with Covid19, than the vaccinated.

More than 90% of ICU patients with Covid19 are unvaccinated - even though more than 80% of the population is vaccinated...

The source is the official Danish health institute SSI.
You can see the updated data here.

UFFFDA!

for population as a whole, by those numbers

Unvaccinated are 8.5 times more likely to get Covid

and

Unvaccinated are 18 times more likely to be hospitalized with Covid

if anyone wants to see the math, let me know and I will put it up

 

[Tenman]

My dr. made his rounds at our small hospital today. He told me everybody there with c19 was unvaccinated. He also said if you haven't been vaccinated you are a dumbass.

 

[Checkswrecks]

I can share some numbers from Denmark, that might be relevant.

At the moment Denmark is testing a higher percentage of the population daily than any other country.
Data is releasede every day at 2 pm.
This is some of the available data from today:

Number of infected pr. 100.000:
Unvaccinated = 215,3
Vaccinated = 100,8

Number of hospitalized pr. 100.000:
Unvaccinated = 29,8
Vaccinated = 6,6

As you can see unvaccinated people are almost 6 times more likely to get hospitalized with Covid19.
If you divide it into age groups the difference becomes bigger the older people are - the non vaccinated above 80 years old are around 20 times more likely to get hospitalized with Covid19, than the vaccinated.

More than 90% of ICU patients with Covid19 are unvaccinated - even though more than 80% of the population is vaccinated...

The source is the official Danish health institute SSI.
You can see the updated data here.

Great to see real numbers - Thanks!

 

[holligl]

Today's Local paper reporting on one hospital system:
Doctors: Most in hospital didn’t get a vaccine
That’s what drives rise in patients, they say
By Jake Griffin (jgriffin@dailyherald.com)

COVID-19 hospitalizations in Illinois are back above 3,500 for the first time in 11 months, and health officials are placing the blame largely on the unvaccinated.
Advocate Aurora Health officials Monday announced the system with 26 hospitals in Illinois and Wisconsin has seen COVID-19 hospitalizations increase by more than 100% over the past month.
The health care group sampled 430 COVID-19 patients two weeks ago and determined 74% of those patients were unvaccinated, 18% were partially vaccinated or due for a booster, and 8% were fully vaccinated.
“I think the data we have provided is a compelling argument not only to get vaccinated but to get boosted,” said Dr. Robert Citronberg, executive medical director of infectious disease and prevention at Advocate Aurora Health. “What we want to get across is this question of, can you get COVID if you’ve been vaccinated and boosted? Yes. But your chances of getting severely ill or dying from it are extremely low.”
In ICUs throughout the system, the percentage of patients who are unvaccinated is closer to 90%, said Dr. Raul Mendoza, a pulmonologist in Wisconsin.
“And that’s the same trend nationwide,” he said.
Illinois Department of Public Health officials reported 3,513 COVID-19 patients were hospitalized across the state.
That’s the most since Jan. 13, exactly 11 months ago.
Of those hospitalized, 748 are in intensive care.
“It’s very unusual for a perfectly healthy young person who’s been vaccinated to end up in the hospital, especially in the ICU,” Citronberg said.
Since IDPH last updated the state’s COVID-19 figures Friday, 105 more deaths from the virus have been recorded throughout Illinois and 19,515 new cases have been diagnosed.
The state’s death toll from the respiratory disease now stands at 26,906, while 1,904,259 infections have been diagnosed.
Illinois also recorded nearly 500,000 test results over the past three days, including 233,784 results returned Saturday, the most ever in a single day for the state.
The state’s seven-day case positivity rate has dropped to 4%, the lowest it’s been in two weeks. Three days ago it was at 4.3%, IDPH records show.
Case positivity is the percentage of test results that show a new infection. A seven-day average is used to account for any anomalies in the daily reporting of those figures.
Additionally, IDPH reported 173,251 more COVID-19 vaccine doses were administered over the past three days.
That brings the total number of vaccine doses administered to 18,181,157.
To date, 59.4% of the state’s 12.7 million residents are considered fully vaccinated. More than 2.4 million booster doses have been administered as well, IDPH records show.
Both doctors noted that vaccines show greater defense against COVID-19 than any natural immunity the body may provide after contracting the virus.
“That is a misconception that if I’ve had COVID before, then I’ve got immunity,” Mendoza said. “That is not true; that immunity fades rather quickly, and the antibodies become weak, so the chances for reinfection are quite high.”
There are almost 800 COVID-19 patients currently being treated in Advocate Aurora’s 26-hospital system, the doctors noted. Almost all of the system’s COVID-19 patients are hospitalized because of the virus and its symptoms.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . Both doctors noted that vaccines show greater defense against COVID-19 than any natural immunity the body may provide after contracting the virus.
“That is a misconception that if I’ve had COVID before, then I’ve got immunity,” Mendoza said. “That is not true; that immunity fades rather quickly, and the antibodies become weak, so the chances for reinfection are quite high.” . . . .

It was my understanding that the vaccine is not a "treatment". Rather it activates the correct antibodies in your body's immune system. So, that when you come in contact with covid, your body's ready for it. Instead of your body starting at zero when contact with covid is made.

It was also my understanding that recovered covid patients had "stronger" (?) antibodies than the vaccine. Furthermore, recovered patients that were fully vaccinated had longer lasting antibodies than either virus recovery or vaccination alone.

My source(s) were the local news channels and their interviews with doctors. I don't know if your info, or my info is right. It could be that mine is old, and proved to be wrong as they learned more about the virus.

Time will tell.

 

[holligl]

Different DR's may have different opinions relative to natural immunities after infections, as it is most likely highly variable.

I don't think I have seen one working in an ER or ICU frontline that is saying anything but get vaccinated to your fullest extent ASAP.

I do feel sorry for the health care workers dealing with this. Early on I told my wife, a retired nurse, she could make some big bucks if she would go back to work. She (not so politely) declined.

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[Wallkeeper]

holligl said "Early on I told my wife, a retired nurse, she could make some big bucks if she would go back to work. She (not so politely) declined. "

are your ears still burning?

 

[RIVA]

holligl said "Early on I told my wife, a retired nurse, she could make some big bucks if she would go back to work. She (not so politely) declined. "

are your ears still burning?

Hot tongue and cold shoulder is a great incentive to get off your butt and retire to your man-shed.

 

[pilleway]

Yes I took the vaccine, early this year I had the first and second with no issues (Phyzer)
yesterday my wife and I had the 3rd shot (boost), so far no problem (Astrazeneca)
It was my concen, but after seen that the vaccine will provide you with some protection and reduces significantly the posibility of death I finally decided to go for it.
So far no reaction, and menthaly fill good.

 

[scott123007]

I do feel sorry for the health care workers dealing with this.

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I have mixed feelings about this. At first, I thought all the health care workers should rebel against the assholes that refuse to get vaccinated and therefore needlessly jeopardize their lives. Come to find out, an alarming number of those very health care workers are not vaccinated themselves. WTF