There's more dis/mis-information out there, than truth.
Will you take the vaccine
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"There's more dis/mis-information out there, than truth."
Truth can only rest on a narrow rail.......Bull S**t can be thrown anywhere
"There's more dis/mis-information out there, than truth."
Truth can only rest on a narrow rail.......Bull S**t can be thrown anywhere
WJBertrand
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Sad but true. When one has no knowledge, or worse, no ability to critically think things out, they end up relying on trust and or emotion instead of knowledge and data. Trust and emotion are not an intelligent way to make decisions on technical matters.
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AZMike
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What I gleened from the book Code breakers is the scientific and medical communities have a very large contingent of people who are far more interested in the money aspect of discoveries than the safety or effectiveness. The current crop of Covid 19 vaccines have a terrible track record and lose their effectiveness rapidly. I had a 65 year old sister that was one of the thousands that "Died suddenly" after her second shot. This is why I maybe a little less inclined to jump on this train. Pushing these vaccines on 5-12 year old children who have a 99.95% recovery rate is dangerous and irresponsible.
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Electrolyse
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Here in Switzerland, some result shows that vaccinated and non vaccinated are almost 50/50 in reanimation in hospital.
there are so many variant the vaccine does not cover its like ur non vaccinated at all.
Worst, when ur COVID 19 vaccinated, you have higher chance to get variant, but lower to get COVID19. And it is irreversible.
I don't want to write that but this COVID in any form will survive all of us here, in 2050, humans will still die of it. (thanks corpo pharma)
there are so many variant the vaccine does not cover its like ur non vaccinated at all.
Worst, when ur COVID 19 vaccinated, you have higher chance to get variant, but lower to get COVID19. And it is irreversible.
I don't want to write that but this COVID in any form will survive all of us here, in 2050, humans will still die of it. (thanks corpo pharma)
I can't say whether you're right or wrong, but I haven't seen that particular information. I have read that the new variant is similar to the common cold. I have also read that last year, when everybody was taking precautions against covid, two strains of the flu were eliminated. I'm sure there's probably gazillions of strains, but when we were doing what we were supposed to be doing, it made a positive difference; albeit a small one.
I've also read that the current vaccine is effective against the latest variant, just not as much as the previous variants. Which isn't much different than the flu shots we get annually. The flu shot is usually good for 2-3 strains. If the scientists pick the wrong strains, the shot(s) aren't as effective, and people get sick(er).
Opinion: maybe . . . . if everybody had received the vaccine, and following boosters, we might have eliminated it. But, we didn't . . . . and now it's going to be just like the flu. Each year, the scientists will try and guess the top 2-3 variants, and develop the annual shot. And . . . . I'm not a fan of big pharma, but we can't put the whole blame on them for this.
I've also read that the current vaccine is effective against the latest variant, just not as much as the previous variants. Which isn't much different than the flu shots we get annually. The flu shot is usually good for 2-3 strains. If the scientists pick the wrong strains, the shot(s) aren't as effective, and people get sick(er).
Opinion: maybe . . . . if everybody had received the vaccine, and following boosters, we might have eliminated it. But, we didn't . . . . and now it's going to be just like the flu. Each year, the scientists will try and guess the top 2-3 variants, and develop the annual shot. And . . . . I'm not a fan of big pharma, but we can't put the whole blame on them for this.
Can you point to published data supporting this?
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As holligl wrote, you ought to show some facts to back up statements like these.
What I am reading is that even with the Omicron variant the vaccinated are not dying like the non-vaccinated people, even if the vaccine loses some ability to get the variant.
Tenman
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The publisher of that data has cheap beach front property for sale in Arizona
RIVA
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In Éire,those infected with Covid are again in the ratio of 50-50. (Vaccinated -Unvaccinated) What you must realise is that the population of Éire is just less than 5,000,000. Of that total population 3.5 million are fully vaccinated with a further 920,000 having received their booster. (myself included). The remaining figures are made up of the anti-axers, children. and people who have had a severe reaction to vaccines in the past. Taking all of the above figures into consideration, you don't have to be an Einstein to conclude that you are probably 3 times more likely to become infected with covid when you are unvaccinated.
Our NHS says our ICUs are mostly full with non vaccinated people. I don't mind if you don't want to be vaccinated as long as you stand by your decision and don't go to hospital and take away an ICU bed from someone who has.
WOW. Great argument for proper masking…..by EVERYONE….Same reason I wore a fitted mask when I worked in HAPS environments
Thanks!!I found this study interesting.
jbrown
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While that chart does give some comparative info between the two strains (assuming, of course, that it represents real test results for material flow from one person to another, and not just conjecture), there are other variables that surely must play into the exposure times. How close are the people? Is this in an enclosed area? Is the air moving or still? The actual times given don't mean much to me without the conditions being included.
In terms of absolute values? I agree that more info is needed. I honestly cannot think of a way to design this test that would be representative of all real world conditions,
I assume that who ever wrote the protocols for the DOE kept all those factors constant between the various evaluations. So I believe we can at a minimum conclude the rank order is valid.
Squibb
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From where I'm sitting that Flipboard chart looks like little more than sales conjecture, this ever present pretence that we can all somehow hide away & so defeat an rna virus. The very manner in which a virus is able to mutate suggests that aint going to happen without closing down society long term, with all the undesirable consequences that would likely emerge.
Roosevelt once said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself, yet fear mongering is pretty much all we hear currently.
Prior to that Franklin pointed out that those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety. A historic perspective maybe, but still fair comment.
While we in the West scrabble to get double vaxxed, followed by boosters, with yet more boosters ordered for the next few years already, half the World remians unvaccinated, impoverished & a breeding ground for mutations of Covid as well as whatever pandemic comes next. The vulnerable in our society deserve protection, those with potential co-morbidities are going to need help & support, but the rest of us really need to face the facts & get on with the rest of our lives while we still can.
This take is not politically motivated, just a frustrated layman's view.
Roosevelt once said, we have nothing to fear but fear itself, yet fear mongering is pretty much all we hear currently.
Prior to that Franklin pointed out that those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety. A historic perspective maybe, but still fair comment.
While we in the West scrabble to get double vaxxed, followed by boosters, with yet more boosters ordered for the next few years already, half the World remians unvaccinated, impoverished & a breeding ground for mutations of Covid as well as whatever pandemic comes next. The vulnerable in our society deserve protection, those with potential co-morbidities are going to need help & support, but the rest of us really need to face the facts & get on with the rest of our lives while we still can.
This take is not politically motivated, just a frustrated layman's view.
I recognize that backup data and protocalls are not provided for the Flipboard chart, but I believe it does provide good relative info. This virus is so individualized and unpredictable that individual results will vary significantly. I was amazed at how pathetic cloth masks performed. Given that is what most people wear (and many wear badly below their nose) I suspect all these mask mandates are pretty much cosmetic. If we expect masks to offer a fraction of the protection offered by vaccines, we need to invest in far better masks. Honestly, I'm ready to burn all mine and rely only on my vaccination.
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