Will you take the vaccine

[Checkswrecks]

We have members all over the political map and for us on the edge of DC with friends and neighbors in various types of DC law enforcement yesterday was quite personal. It looks so far like the red & blue sides of the aisle both were shaken enough to remember that our form of Government is based in compromise and cooler heads are prevailing.

So PLEASE let's keep this thread about the vaccine subject and not devolve into politics here. Political posts from either side will be deleted.

 

[WJBertrand]

I got the first shot (Pfizer) today - so in about 4 weeks I should be as covered as I can be - for a while anyway.

They're saying that full immunity takes a couple of weeks past your second shot. so you should be good in 6 weeks. Curious, here they are saying the follow up shot for the Pfizer vaccine is 3 weeks +/- 4 days and the Moderna is 4 weeks +/- 4 days. Are they adding a week before your second dose due to supply/logistics issues?

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . Evidence indicate that I most likely won't be able to transfer virus when I'm fully covered by the vaccine. . . .

. . . . If you had Covid and have recovered, I can understand why one would feel no need to isolate, wear a mask and other precautions. . . .

I've been hearing this. BUT, the vaccine is not like Frontline for your dog, where fleas/ticks get on your dog and die. The vaccine is for "internal use only", as is any developed antibodies a person has from recovering from covid. Covid does not die on contact if you have antibodies; (from recovering or vax)

If somebody, with covid, sneezes/coughs on you, you are now a "carrier". If you have recovered from it, or been vaxed, you will not be infected. But, if that "yuk" that got on you. . . . gets transferred to somebody else. . . . they have to have antibodies of they can be infected.

That's where the washing/disinfecting hands comes in to be so important. My kid's covid nurse girlfriend says that you could put your hand in a bucket of covid infected stuff. As long as you washed/sanitized that hand, you'd be ok. It does not absorb through the skin. But, if you touch somebody with that hand, you've now transferred the virus to them.

So, if you have recovered, or received the vax, you are ok. . . . I'm still going to take precautions regardless. The vax is 94% effective. That means that 6 people out of every 100, will still get the virus after being vaccinated.

 

[Checkswrecks]

I've been hearing this.
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If somebody, with covid, sneezes/coughs on you, you are now a "carrier".
. . .

I've heard the same and it is why masks are still required after getting the vaccine.

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The vax is 94% effective. That means that 6 people out of every 100, will still get the virus after being vaccinated.

With 3,000 new cases JUST for today, that's 180 already vaxed people getting it every single day till enough are vaxed to break the chain.

 

[Don T]

They're saying that full immunity takes a couple of weeks past your second shot. so you should be good in 6 weeks. Curious, here they are saying the follow up shot for the Pfizer vaccine is 3 weeks +/- 4 days and the Moderna is 4 weeks +/- 4 days. Are they adding a week before your second dose due to supply/logistics issues?

The papers I received with the vaccine says that I need to get the second short 21 days after the first one, and that it will have full effect approximately 1 week after the second shot.
I have booked time for the second shot on the 28th - exactly 21 days after the first shot - so as stated earlier, I should be good in 4 weeks.

 

[Don T]

I've been hearing this. BUT, the vaccine is not like Frontline for your dog, where fleas/ticks get on your dog and die. The vaccine is for "internal use only", as is any developed antibodies a person has from recovering from covid. Covid does not die on contact if you have antibodies; (from recovering or vax)

If somebody, with covid, sneezes/coughs on you, you are now a "carrier". If you have recovered from it, or been vaxed, you will not be infected. But, if that "yuk" that got on you. . . . gets transferred to somebody else. . . . they have to have antibodies of they can be infected.

That's where the washing/disinfecting hands comes in to be so important. My kid's covid nurse girlfriend says that you could put your hand in a bucket of covid infected stuff. As long as you washed/sanitized that hand, you'd be ok. It does not absorb through the skin. But, if you touch somebody with that hand, you've now transferred the virus to them.

So, if you have recovered, or received the vax, you are ok. . . . I'm still going to take precautions regardless. The vax is 94% effective. That means that 6 people out of every 100, will still get the virus after being vaccinated.

Good hygiene has always been important. The pandemic has just made more people aware of this.
If we can keep up the level of especially hand hygiene we see now, it will have a positive effect in regard to all concact transmitted diseases.
Another thing we have learned during the pandemic is that we in general should pay more attentionto to try and avoid infecting others when we are sick.

 

[PhilPhilippines]

Mak10 from here it looks scary. Looks like some people are up for another Civil War.

I think the majority, including me, predicted a month ago that what happened would happen.

As to the covid situation, there were heads of government that said it would miraculously disappear by April. Some media supported that view, some were more realistic and ultimately proved correct.

 

[fac191]

I think the majority, including me, predicted a month ago that what happened would happen.

As to the covid situation, there were heads of government that said it would miraculously disappear by April. Some media supported that view, some were more realistic and ultimately proved correct.

Its a lot cheaper to say it will dissappear than be proactive. Some countries simply dont have the resources to fight it.

 

[Boris]

In my experience during the current and recent situation, very few don’t wear masks and I guess are not strict with the added hygiene, hand sanitizer measures, as well as not adhering to social distancing and perhaps won’t have the vaccine.

Unfortunately, the very few have a significant negative impact on the majority.

 

[fac191]

Thing is most of the UK has seen their local services destroyed by Austerity they simply do not have anyone to enforce restrictions ir the bare minimum. Good old Boris.

 

[Boris]

Disagree. The problems in the UK are far far more complex than that. Too many taking out, not enough putting in. Huge parasitic elements within our society. It’s not all the government and it’s not all the people. But pointing fingers in one direction is incorrect and far too simplistic. Accountability and responsibility is something we all need to own.

However, as this forum isn’t a place for politics, perhaps it’s best to move on.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . Another thing we have learned during the pandemic is that we in general should pay more attentionto to try and avoid infecting others when we are sick.

Yes we should, and you would think that this concept would be pretty simple/easy to to convince people of. But, around here, I noticed a dramatic drop in the wearing of masks, and hand sanitizing immediately after the vaccine was approved. As if no further precautions were needed. I just don't understand people sometimes.

. . . . there were heads of government that said it would miraculously disappear by April. . . .

Before covid became the juggernaut that it is, that was a common feeling, at least around here. That politics was driving the severity of the virus, and once red or blue won in November, the virus would miraculously disappear. We soon realized that was not going to be true. Almost unbelievably, there are still people that believe the virus is a hoax, or not as dangerous as they say. I'm hoping they meet the Karma train.

 

[EricV]

Good hygiene has always been important. The pandemic has just made more people aware of this.
If we can keep up the level of especially hand hygiene we see now, it will have a positive effect in regard to all contact transmitted diseases.
Another thing we have learned during the pandemic is that we in general should pay more attention to to try and avoid infecting others when we are sick.

All true. Sadly, I still see far too many people doing normal things like using a public bathroom and not washing their hands before leaving. And worse, a large number seem to be the same group that is most likely to suffer severe consequences from Covid if they catch it. "I only touched myself" Forgetting that everything they touched before that, touched them, and everything after that got to be touched by their penis.

It would be nice if we came through this with better attention to personal hygiene, especially as it relates to the awareness of passing contagion on to others of any sort, but I don't see this happening. We, (humanity), have a bad habit of ignoring the lessons we learn and quickly becoming complacent again.

 

[MattR]

Disagree. The problems in the UK are far far more complex than that. Too many taking out, not enough putting in. Huge parasitic elements within our society. It’s not all the government and it’s not all the people. But pointing fingers in one direction is incorrect and far too simplistic. Accountability and responsibility is something we all need to own.

However, as this forum isn’t a place for politics, perhaps it’s best to move on.

But the base problem is greedy employers that pay workers such low wages they they don’t have enough to live on and have to claim top up benefits. So tax payers end up subsidising workers so that the employers can increase shareholder dividends. Trickle down wealth has not worked for years. But calling these people parasites is unfair and wrong. Many of them are doing the jobs that you and I wouldn’t want to do. And what about the huge numbers that have lost their jobs due to covid? Now, if you want to talk about parasites, let’s talk about the real ones that make billions out of our countries and then spirit the money out to off shore banks without paying any tax.


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[fac191]

But the base problem is greedy employers that pay workers such low wages they they don’t have enough to live on and have to claim top up benefits. So tax payers end up subsidising workers so that the employers can increase shareholder dividends. Trickle down wealth has not worked for years. But calling these people parasites is unfair and wrong. Many of them are doing the jobs that you and I wouldn’t want to do. And what about the huge numbers that have lost their jobs due to covid? Now, if you want to talk about parasites, let’s talk about the real ones that make billions out of our countries and then spirit the money out to off shore banks without paying any tax.


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Right on dude. The real parasites are the ones with bank accounts in the Cayman Islands etc who also happen to be upper classes and Royalty. Thats why they get away with it. Also the huge companies taking the piss tax wise. I would rip them all a new arsehole. Working class people are only here to fight wars for these people. I wouldnt fight for this country as basically its mostly foreigh owned. Let them shed some blood for it.

 

[James Phillips]

So sad to see that not all NHS trusts here are vaccinating their ICU staff, paramedics etc and so on, first. Need to protect these saints and their families.

 

[Boris]

Let’s not forget those making fraudulent benefit claims, those working cash in hand and avoiding paying tax. Many of the parasites have chosen never to work, benefits are too easy an option for some. The whole picture needs to be painted to resolve issue.

There are those that just blame anyone and everyone else for social problems and those that take responsibility for their own actions and outcomes.

There’d be more money for those truly in need if everyone played the game fairly, that’s both the government and its citizens.

 

[Boris]

But the base problem is greedy employers that pay workers such low wages they they don’t have enough to live on and have to claim top up benefits. So tax payers end up subsidising workers so that the employers can increase shareholder dividends. Trickle down wealth has not worked for years. But calling these people parasites is unfair and wrong. Many of them are doing the jobs that you and I wouldn’t want to do. And what about the huge numbers that have lost their jobs due to covid? Now, if you want to talk about parasites, let’s talk about the real ones that make billions out of our countries and then spirit the money out to off shore banks without paying any tax.


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People making the effort and those truly in need are not who I’m referring to. You know as well as I do that there’s a handout mentality among far too much of our population. These drain funds available to help those who truly need it.

 

[fac191]

Let’s not forget those making fraudulent benefit claims, those working cash in hand and avoiding paying tax. Many of the parasites have chosen never to work, benefits are too easy an option for some. The whole picture needs to be painted to resolve issue.

There are those that just blame anyone and everyone else for social problems and those that take responsibility for their own actions and outcomes.

There’d be more money for those truly in need if everyone played the game fairly, that’s both the government and its citizens.

Fact. We destroyed the local economies in the North of England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. Nothing replaced it. No investment. Left them to it. No support. Dont forget these places sent their men to die in wars for what ?. You should get out of your ivory tower and go have a look around. People who have nothing who live on benefits are more worthy than the 1% who own 25% of the UK. If they were offered decent jobs with a realistic wage do you really think they would stay on benefits ?. The contracts people get now if they are lucky are shite. Zero hours is slavery. The rest of Europe should have followed the French. Off with their heads. They are the real trash.

 

[WJBertrand]

If somebody, with covid, sneezes/coughs on you, you are now a "carrier"

This is not how a "carrier" has traditionally been defined:
car·ri·er
(ka'rē-er),
1. A person who or animal that harbors a specific infectious agent in the absence of discernible clinical disease and serves as a potential source of infection.

So traditionally this would be an asymptomatic infection in which case the viral load would be a ot higher and the person infected is actively producing the virus. You could get the virus on your clothes or something from someone sneezing but that would be similar to any other surface that got contaminated, since the virus is not multiplying is such a state.