Will you take the vaccine

[fac191]

Thats more of an African church deal. We have a guy in London who sell it through his church. Praise the Lord for peoples stupidity.

They drink it.

 

[bigbob]

That will be true WHEN the meds developed by Warpspeed come out, but till at least Thursday (3 days from now) there aren't any, because the lone US vaccine so far was developed by Pfizer totally on their own. Moderna is expected to be approved on Thursday. This is separate from he treatments previously approved, like the one from Ely Lilly in November.

The Administration turned down an option to buy millions of Pfizer doses last July and there were so many other buyers that the current Pfizer deliveries we see on the news are commercial, to hospitals, States, cities, etc. An option is not a commitment, so it made zero sense but that's history at this point. Pfizer is one of the biggest international pharma companies and also is making the vaccine in Europe, so having turned down their offer to sell options to the US Govt of course freed up Pfizer to market the product they developed with their own money. However, now that the Pfizer doses are approved, the Administration has tried to tell the company that they could only sell the doses made in the US within our borders. As I understand, the doses made here in the US have been pre-sold mainly to domestic deliveries, so it isn't too big a problem for the company and of course they will sell every dose they make anyway. That still doesn't mean it is the Federal Govt buying the doses for Operation Warpspeed, plus has complicated distribution that was already planned for Canada, Mexico, and other allies.

The USA agreed to buy the initial 100 million doses as part of Warpspeed. They turned down buying more since the already have agreements to by Moderna and several other companies IF/WHEN they get approved.


From NPR a few days ago:

U.S. Government May Find It Hard To Get More Doses Of Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine

A Pfizer board member says the government declined to buy more doses beyond the initial 100 million already agreed upon. Demand from other countries could complicate future purchases.

www.npr.org

With Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine poised for Food and Drug Administration authorization for emergency use, there's speculation about when the United States will buy another batch of doses — and whether the Trump administration already missed its chance.

Although a Pfizer board member says the government declined to buy more doses beyond the initial 100 million agreed upon in July, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told PBS Newshour that this is inaccurate. The company never made a formal offer saying how many doses it would deliver and when — two things that are needed to sign an additional deal.

 

[gunslinger_006]

Did you read my post? We don't disagree about the question. My point was that it was never a recommendation to "inject bleach". That was either social media or news media invention. There's no colors here.

This is the quote verbatim:

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."


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[WJBertrand]

Yes, and he was addressing the staff of experts that were present with a question, not making a public recommendation. A stupid idea never the less, but lets not make it worse than it was.

 

[gunslinger_006]

Yes, and he was addressing the staff of experts that were present with a question, not making a public recommendation. A stupid idea never the less, but lets not make it worse than it was.

Its rare that i agree that trump said something less stupid than it sounds, but in this case you are absolutely correct.


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[Sierra1]

So, has anybody noticed, since last Friday, increased apathy for wearing masks? I workout at a local Planet Fitness. They're pretty strict on masks, and wiping down the machines. On average the biggest non-conformists are the college aged people. But, on Monday when I went in, I started noticing the lack of masks being worn, and nobody was wiping down their machines after use; with the exception of two people. I assuming that since the vax is now being distributed, they think the threat is gone?

1) Even if you have received the vax, it doesn't protect you immediately. It takes 30 days-ish. That's why a second dose is needed. 2) The average, not-at-risk, people will not receive their first dose until April-ish. 3) And, even after you've been vaxed, you can be a carrier. Once again, if not for yourself, for your loved ones. Now is not the time to stop taking precautions.

 

[Checkswrecks]

The USA agreed to buy the initial 100 million doses as part of Warpspeed. They turned down buying more since the already have agreements to by Moderna and several other companies IF/WHEN they get approved.


From NPR a few days ago:

U.S. Government May Find It Hard To Get More Doses Of Pfizer's COVID-19 Vaccine

A Pfizer board member says the government declined to buy more doses beyond the initial 100 million already agreed upon. Demand from other countries could complicate future purchases.

www.npr.org

With Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine poised for Food and Drug Administration authorization for emergency use, there's speculation about when the United States will buy another batch of doses — and whether the Trump administration already missed its chance.

Although a Pfizer board member says the government declined to buy more doses beyond the initial 100 million agreed upon in July, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told PBS Newshour that this is inaccurate. The company never made a formal offer saying how many doses it would deliver and when — two things that are needed to sign an additional deal.

I mis-spoke and stand corrected, in that the Feds did buy 100 million doses but turned down the option for more. While the White House tried to spin it that they weren't offered the option, this came from Pfizer Board Director Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who should know, since he is also the previous head of the FDA.

 

[Checkswrecks]

So, has anybody noticed, since last Friday, increased apathy for wearing masks? I workout at a local Planet Fitness. They're pretty strict on masks, and wiping down the machines. On average the biggest non-conformists are the college aged people. But, on Monday when I went in, I started noticing the lack of masks being worn, and nobody was wiping down their machines after use; with the exception of two people. I assuming that since the vax is now being distributed, they think the threat is gone?

1) Even if you have received the vax, it doesn't protect you immediately. It takes 30 days-ish. That's why a second dose is needed. 2) The average, not-at-risk, people will not receive their first dose until April-ish. 3) And, even after you've been vaxed, you can be a carrier. Once again, if not for yourself, for your loved ones. Now is not the time to stop taking precautions.

You still have gyms open? Ours were all shut and the few which re-opened had to close again.

 

[Checkswrecks]

This is the quote verbatim:

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."


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There are a lot of videos of him saying that, but what most cut out is that he was picking up on what was said immediately before, when William Bryan talked about the use of bleach as a disinfectant "ON SURFACES."
Dhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-23/coronavirus-dies-fastest-under-light-warm-and-humid-conditions

Trump speaking of injecting disinfectant is at 45 seconds and he clearly was not being sarcastic as he later claimed.

 

[Sierra1]

You still have gyms open? Ours were all shut and the few which re-opened had to close again.

They were shutdown for March, April, and May. They reopened to 50% in June, and then 100% when the hospitalization rate dropped below 15%. Then, a couple of weeks ago, the hospitalization rate went back over 15%, and now they're back down to 50% at restaurants, and gyms; bars completely shut down. In Texas, they're using the hospitalization rate to determine openings & closings. Schools are a mixture of in person, and online.

 

[richarddacat]

Looks like Hydroxychloroquine is a real lifesaver, too bad the criticism from the media of it took hold because thousands of lives could have been saved. Oh well.

We’ve got cures and we got a vaccine for a virus with a 99% survival rate, time to get back to normal in my opinion.

American Medical Association Votes on Hydroxychloroquine Prevention Order, Keeps it in Place -- How Many People Have Died Because of These Soulless Hacks?

This post was updated with the disappointing information that the AMA ultimately rejected resolution 509. For months The Gateway Pundit has been reporting factually on the evidence and studies that proved Hydroxychloroquine was effecting in the treatment of COVID-19. Yale Epidemiology Professor...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[PhilPhilippines]

There are a lot of videos of him saying that, but what most cut out is that he was picking up on what was said immediately before, when William Bryan talked about the use of bleach as a disinfectant "ON SURFACES."
Dhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-23/coronavirus-dies-fastest-under-light-warm-and-humid-conditions

Trump speaking of injecting disinfectant is at 45 seconds and he clearly was not being sarcastic as he later claimed.

Exactly what I was indicating. But in his defence, and as he rightly pointed out, obviously the medical staff were in awe of his grasp of the science and I never saw any of them squirm in disbelief.

I very rarely like politrickians of any party anywhere in the world. Not that many get involved for the right reasons, but if they do they often conform too easily to what is "expected" of them or face an uphill battle. When extracting the urine (TTP) it doesn't get much better visually than this imho

 

[fredz43]

Looks like Hydroxychloroquine is a real lifesaver, too bad the criticism from the media of it took hold because thousands of lives could have been saved. Oh well.

We’ve got cures and we got a vaccine for a virus with a 99% survival rate, time to get back to normal in my opinion.

American Medical Association Votes on Hydroxychloroquine Prevention Order, Keeps it in Place -- How Many People Have Died Because of These Soulless Hacks?

This post was updated with the disappointing information that the AMA ultimately rejected resolution 509. For months The Gateway Pundit has been reporting factually on the evidence and studies that proved Hydroxychloroquine was effecting in the treatment of COVID-19. Yale Epidemiology Professor...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Looks like a real trustworthy publication there.

 

[richarddacat]

Looks like a real trustworthy publication there.

I doubt you’ll find a positive story on CNN but if you expand your sources you’ll be surprised what can be found.

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial

Background Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been found to be efficient on SARS-CoV-2, and reported to be efficient in Chinese COV-19 patients. We evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine on respiratory viral loads. Patients and methods Patients were included in a single arm protocol to...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[fredz43]

I doubt you’ll find a positive story on CNN but if you expand your sources you’ll be surprised what can be found.

Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial

Background Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been found to be efficient on SARS-CoV-2, and reported to be efficient in Chinese COV-19 patients. We evaluate the role of hydroxychloroquine on respiratory viral loads. Patients and methods Patients were included in a single arm protocol to...

www.medrxiv.org

Thank you for your advice. I do explore many sources and discount those that are easily identified as not reliable, as what they publish can't be verified by other more reliable sources. A scan of articles on that publication lead me to discount it as a factual source.

By the way, any doctor can prescribe Hydroxychloroquine, no law against it. When I had sysmtoms and was awaiting my test results, my doctor said while it may not be beneficial, he would prescribe it to me if I tested positive.

 

[richarddacat]

Concerning masks, I'm sure many have seen masks hanging off mirrors and people wearing anything from bandanas to gas masks. PPE is a one time use from what I've learned and I doubt they are as effective as they say seeing how most people use them.

Wearing a used mask could be worse than no mask amid COVID-19: study

Wearing a used mask could be more dangerous than not wearing one at all when it comes to warding off COVID-19, a new study has found. A new three-layer surgical mask is 65 percent efficient in filt…

nypost.com

the source link for the above story.

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0034580

 

[PhilPhilippines]

I and my wife are fastidious about wearing masks and shields. We both do as much as we can to protect ourselves from the dangers of the virus, as well as to protect transmission to others if we are carriers. Exactly the same way I use a known system of vehicle control that protects others from any injury due to a lack of attention whilst moving metal about at speed.

We will both take the vaccine as soon as it becomes available. The amount of time and attention that has been given to its safe production leads me to suspect it will have few drawbacks, in addition to the high number of doses that others will have before it is our turn in the queue...

 

[twinrider]

Anyone else notice the Pfizer CEO has yet to take his firm's vaccine. He claims it's because he wants to wait his turn....


Meanwhile in the UK the vaccine has to be administered in a hospital because some people have anaphylactic reactions. Like this woman in Alaska.

Alaska health care worker suffers adverse reaction after COVID-19 vaccine

A health care worker in Alaska is doing "well" after suffering an adverse reaction minutes after receiving Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine, officials said.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Checkswrecks]

Anyone else notice the Pfizer CEO has yet to take his firm's vaccine. He claims it's because he wants to wait his turn....

I applaud him for this. It would've been a real ethical issue and in the end he knows he is an administrator who would take a dose from a front line person.

Meanwhile in the UK the vaccine has to be administered in a hospital because some people have anaphylactic reactions. Like this woman in Alaska.

Alaska health care worker suffers adverse reaction after COVID-19 vaccine

A health care worker in Alaska is doing "well" after suffering an adverse reaction minutes after receiving Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine, officials said.

www.foxnews.com

The rate of adverse reactions I'm reading is 1.3%, which is in the typical range for vaccines. (At least according to my Google-Fu)

I just had shots for the regular flu and pneumonia and they required me to stay at the facility for 20 minutes for those too.

 

[twinrider]

I applaud him for this. It would've been a real ethical issue and in the end he knows he is an administrator who would take a dose from a front line person.



The rate of adverse reactions I'm reading is 1.3%, which is in the typical range for vaccines. (At least according to my Google-Fu)

I just had shots for the regular flu and pneumonia and they required me to stay at the facility for 20 minutes for those too.

I also don't want to take a shot away from a first responder.

No waiting after flu shots in JP.