Clutch basket questions

[triman11427]

For some reason I keep finding things to do on this bike. Don't get me wrong, I love this bike. Every time I make an improvement, like the Gen 2 flash, I make the bike even better. I just got back from an 1100 mile road trip and although the 3000-3400 vibration is noticeable it doesn't drive me crazy. That being said when I gently pull the clutch lever in as the bike passes through that troublesome range the vibe disappears and I can see how smooth the bike rides. I've chalked up the vibes to "character" but now I'm seriously considering the "fix". I'm hesitating because of the cost and I don't want to do what I've done with my Harleys. You know, spend more money than I'll ever get back when I eventually sell the bike. I have 12,000 miles on the bike. Here are a couple of questions:
Will leaving the original clutch cause an increase in the vibes as the bike gets more miles? It hasn't smoothed out.
Has there been premature failures with the original clutch? I haven't read that.
How difficult is it pulling the clutch basket? I've read the directions and it is a bit intimidating.
Has anyone heard of someone doing this mod and not been satisfied? (like the gen 2 flash, I haven't heard a single complaint)

 

[corndog]

I am not sure the mod you refer to unless its swapping the clutch out for a modified unit. I come from stroms which have a similar and well known issue referred to as clutch chudder. There are two vendors that have redesigned the clutch basket. Its prevalent on 1000cc stroms but seems rare on teneres.

That said. I own a strom (and a tenere). My strom has had mild chudder since 20,000 miles, that is annoying but rarely occurs. It is easily ridden around the chudder, by not dawdling in the RPM zone. Mine has 100,000 miles. Many replace the baskets at 20,000, many never do. Its a quality of ride issue not a leave you stranded without a clutch (or worse) issue.......on Suzukis.

 

[Dallara]

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Just for the record, here's the thread with the most information about the clutch basket vibration issue and mods:

http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=7606.0

Check out the last few pages for the most recent info, including info on part numbers as well as Sharealike's mods and how to contact him, etc.

As for the stock clutch...

I have never heard of any "premature failures" of the stock unit. I seem to recall one guy having some clutch trouble but IIRC it had nothing to do with the basket. I think he cooked some plates, but that may have been from slipping it too much. Doesn't take much looking around the forum here to see there are no threads mentioning any sort of clutch failures or wear issues. I've got 40,000 miles on my original stock clutch and it's still working great.

As for pulling the clutch basket...

I haven't ever had to remove mine, but I've had the clutch cover off, and it looks very straightforward and conventional. I know there are some discussions about it in the thread link above, and I've seen nothing there that suggest it's difficult in the slightest. I imagine if you have ever pulled a clutch basket on any other motorcycle you'll be fine. I just looked in the service manual, too, and it appears to be completely normal in its removal and replacement. The only critical thing seems to be to absolutely replace the big, main nut when replacing the basket. Apparently it's a one-use item, and once torqued down and then removed it should never be used again. No big deal, though, as Sharealike just posted in the thread above that it's only like a $6.00 part.

Hope this helps!

Dallara



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[rotortech71]

I have a Sharealike modified basket in my S10. I understand not wanting to put more money into the bike than you'll get back, but for me, this mod was worth the money. I was really bothered by the 3200 RPM shutter, and Sharealike's mod took care of it. It is completely non-existent now. If that vibration affects your riding experience, as it did mine, then fixing it makes sense. Removing and reinstalling the basket is not difficult, if you have some basic mechanical ability, know how to use tools, and are able to handle critical engine parts with care. Sharealike includes instructions on how to do this, if you don't have a service manual. You don't even have to drain the oil. Like Dallara said, you have to replace the nut that retains the clutch hub, as it is staked, and shouldn't be reused. And you need to replace the cover gasket. Those are the only two parts you need to order. I also bought an EBC bespoke clutch tool off Ebay, which cost about 15 bucks. EBC makes a Tenere specific tool. You can also use a universal clutch tool, but you should get one of the two, as it's a must for holding the clutch hub while loosening and torquing the nut.

If you don't notice, or aren't bothered by this vibration, then you're good to go. The clutch is reliable in it's stock form, and shouldn't cause you any issues. But it can be improved on, as even Yamaha has acknowledged by their redesign of the 2014 basket.

 

[Doug C]

I have a Sharealike modified basket in my S10. I understand not wanting to put more money into the bike than you'll get back, but for me, this mod was worth the money. I was really bothered by the 3200 RPM shutter, and Sharealike's mod took care of it. It is completely non-existent now. If that vibration affects your riding experience, as it did mine, then fixing it makes sense. Removing and reinstalling the basket is not difficult, if you have some basic mechanical ability, know how to use tools, and are able to handle critical engine parts with care. Sharealike includes instructions on how to do this, if you don't have a service manual. You don't even have to drain the oil. Like Dallara said, you have to replace the nut that retains the clutch hub, as it is staked, and shouldn't be reused. And you need to replace the cover gasket. Those are the only two parts you need to order. I also bought an EBC bespoke clutch tool off Ebay, which cost about 15 bucks. EBC makes a Tenere specific tool. You can also use a universal clutch tool, but you should get one of the two, as it's a must for holding the clutch hub while loosening and torquing the nut.

If you don't notice, or aren't bothered by this vibration, then you're good to go. The clutch is reliable in it's stock form, and shouldn't cause you any issues. But it can be improved on, as even Yamaha has acknowledged by their redesign of the 2014 basket.

Pretty much the same results and thoughts for me.
Doug

 

[mcbrien]

Realshelby modified my basket to what he called stage 2 ( no extra bearing) and that moved the
vibration up to around 4200 rpm from 3200. I'm told adding the bearing completely fixes it.Had
no issues and a quick turnaround from Realshelby.
The 2014 has a redesigned clutch basket to address this issue which might also be a good solution.

 

[triman11427]

I'm certainly not looking to move the vibration. I want it gone.

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[mcbrien]

I'm certainly not looking to move the vibration. I want it gone.

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Just ride with tention on the clutch lever ::001::

 

[triman11427]

A rubber band should do the trick.

 

[realshelby]

Realshelby modified my basket to what he called stage 2 ( no extra bearing) and that moved the
vibration up to around 4200 rpm from 3200. I'm told adding the bearing completely fixes it.Had
no issues and a quick turnaround from Realshelby.
The 2014 has a redesigned clutch basket to address this issue which might also be a good solution.

I have not spent enough time on the Yamaha baskets. When I get back from the V Strom rally in NC and get caught up I will do some more work. The last two I done eliminated the vibes, they are different than all the others. I know what to do, I just need to find a way to get the costs down to a price I want to offer them at. I have been waiting to see if the new 2014 clutch basket is interchangeable and if so does it fix the vibes. If it does, it might be a good way to go for owners.

 

[~TABASCO~]

That's what im looking to do... install the new Barnett or the 2014 basket....

 

[Big Blu]

The possibility of swapping in a 2014 clutch basket has been mentioned in this thread and in others.
Wondering why there seems to be little interest in this ready made, currently available, potential solution?

Paul

 

[Dallara]

The possibility of swapping in a 2014 clutch basket has been mentioned in this thread and in others.
Wondering why there seems to be little interest in this ready made, currently available, potential solution?

Paul

Because right now the 2014 clutch baskets are *NOT* available... Ask your dealer.

When then try to enter the new, 2014-specific clutch basket part number - 2BS-16150-00-00

http://www.yamahamotorsports.com/partviewer/default.aspx?ls=sport#/Yamaha/SUPER_TENERE_-_XTZ12EL_-_2014/CLUTCH/XTZ12EL_%282014_MOTORCYCLE%29/CLUTCH_%28XTZ12EL_-_2014%29

Then quickly find out the Yamaha parts system will not allow them to order it.

How do I know this? Because my dealer buddy and I have been trying to order one for a ever since the USA 2014 parts catalog came online... ::025::

Dallara


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[triman11427]

I'm not totally convinced the new 2014 clutch basket is a true fix or just a band aid. I believe the underlying design issue hasn't been corrected and the new basket is using rubber to "mute" the vibrations. Anyone else hear this?

 

[autoteach]

The people make design repairs will never tell you exactly what the issue is, but I assure you that the 2014 basket will, if using rubber isolators, fix the problem of the largely uncontrolled spring movement in the basket as well as the accelerated wear and then additional movement of components that this wear causes. The rubber isolators are all "in contact" with their thrust surfaces, and tend to be rather tight on tolerance (even back in the 60's) for controlling the diameter at which they are located keeping the out of balance to a minimum. While quite progressive in the cushioning rate, the rubber damper device will also not be going in and out of spring phases. I am quite certain that it will be a long term repair, with the only possible downside being that they likely wont be replaceable rubbers and will deteriorate over time. Who am I though? Lets hear from the professionals on the topic

 

[Big Blu]

I'm not totally convinced the new 2014 clutch basket is a true fix or just a band aid. I believe the underlying design issue hasn't been corrected and the new basket is using rubber to "mute" the vibrations. Anyone else hear this?

Why do you believe it's not think it's a "true fix"?
What would call a true fix?

Paul

 

[realshelby]

Since no one has had one of the new baskets to look at, no one knows what has been changed. They won't just put rubber biscuits in to replace the springs. It will be a total re-engineer of the design. And in doing that they may fix what is wrong with the current generation design. Which leads back to why not just fix what is wrong with what they have and keep the steel springs. I just don't trust the rubber/plastic long term.

If someone here has a good contact with their Yamaha Dealer, they may be able to pull a few strings and get one of the new baskets. I got one of the new Suzuki V Strom baskets long before they were readily available, but I had inside help.

 

[Rvolberg]

Hey everyone... with respect to replacing a chuddering 2012 clutch with the improved 2014... what part(s) specifically need to be replaced? Is it just the "Primary Driven Gear Comp" which for 2012 is part number 23P-16150-00-00 with the 2014 part which is 2BS-16150-00-00?

2014 part: http://www.yamahapartsnation.com/oemparts/a/yam/53306feaf870024560f03e51/clutch
2012 part: http://www.yamahapartsnation.com/oemparts/a/yam/5004d840f87002275461de72/clutch

Your help is appreciated!

 

[avc8130]

Hey everyone... with respect to replacing a chuddering 2012 clutch with the improved 2014... what part(s) specifically need to be replaced? Is it just the "Primary Driven Gear Comp" which for 2012 is part number 23P-16150-00-00 with the 2014 part which is 2BS-16150-00-00?

2014 part: http://www.yamahapartsnation.com/oemparts/a/yam/53306feaf870024560f03e51/clutch
2012 part: http://www.yamahapartsnation.com/oemparts/a/yam/5004d840f87002275461de72/clutch

Your help is appreciated!

Looks to me like they have an error in the pricing...

ac

 

[triman11427]

I would buy 2 at that price.