You're selling your bike, you're moving on, what NEXT ?

[Purificator81]

And the GS

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[Dirt_Dad]

just like the designer of the GS headlight had an eye problem… modern designers must like insect faces
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It's definitely an acquired taste. Once you have it, it grows on you pretty quickly.

 

[Purificator81]

It's definitely an acquired taste. Once you have it, it grows on you pretty quickly.

I was told about this in the context of marriage....my conclusion is: if you don't like it it won't grow in you overtime...unless if you take it as the only option you have and your mind tricks you into suddenly liking it....just saying LOL

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[Dirt_Dad]

I understand. To me that shape
has become the symbol of performance. That makes me smile when I see it.

 

[Boris]

I was told about this in the context of marriage....my conclusion is: if you don't like it it won't grow in you overtime...unless if you take it as the only option you have and your mind tricks you into suddenly liking it....just saying LOL

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Or, you can spend your life looking at the partners of others and secretly envying them, while knowing in your heart your a little unhappy with your own. Lol.

 

[Purificator81]

Or, you can spend your life looking at the partners of others and secretly envying them, while knowing in your heart your a little unhappy with your own. Lol.

Hahahaha!!

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[~TABASCO~]

Yea.............. I think the new GS will take the cake as in, UUUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.......... What is that ?...... Oh, yes, the BMW....... LOL The spy shots of that are not "cool" in my opinion.... I guess we will see...... LOL

 

[Sierra1]

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It's always reminded me of the old American actor Jack Elam:

 

[Purificator81]

It's always reminded me of the old American actor Jack Elam:
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Hahahahha!!!

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[Purificator81]

Been watching but with their going to a totally different all aluminum frame makes me think of the journalist Kevin Ash who was killed on a test ride of the 1200 in SAfrica. Which then BMW seemed to effectively silence.

Kevin Ash's Death Still Needs Some Explanations

Kevin Ash's Death Still Needs Some Explanations

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I'll let a few thousand others be the Beta testers for anything coming out of BMW. And probably still not trust them.

As long as money is no object, mash me up a KTM 1290 with a shaft drive and better looking headlights.

I red the article with great interest and found BMW's attitude very worrisome...
Speaking of 1300GS rumors, why would a bike that praises itselve as the queen of the adventure motorcycle segment go for an aluminium frame? I thought steel is more robust yet a bit heavier...

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[~TABASCO~]

I red the article with great interest and found BMW's attitude very worrisome...
Speaking of 1300GS rumors, why would a bike that praises itselve as the queen of the adventure motorcycle segment go for an aluminium frame? I thought steel is more robust yet a bit heavier...

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I think with motocross technology, the aluminum frame for an ADV bike these days is probably fine. IMOP, the only down side that won’t effect 99.9% of normal riders, is if you happen to be in South America , or Africa and you get a crack in the frame. Down there any local can weld steel in five minutes. Welding aluminum in those circumstances is way more difficult.
These manufacturers know that “most” buyers are street only, touring, types. Percentage wise, very few ride an ADV bike hundreds or thousands of miles off road out in the sticks.

 

[Sierra1]

I don't think that they put much stock in long term durability. Aluminum frame = less weight = better power: weight ratio = quicker/faster = more bragging rights at Starbucks

 

[Purificator81]

I think with motocross technology, the aluminum frame for an ADV bike these days is probably fine. IMOP, the only down side that won’t effect 99.9% of normal riders, is if you happen to be in South America , or Africa and you get a crack in the frame. Down there any local can weld steel in five minutes. Welding aluminum in those circumstances is way more difficult.
These manufacturers know that “most” buyers are street only, touring, types. Percentage wise, very few ride an ADV bike hundreds or thousands of miles off road out in the sticks.

Thanks. I am in Africa so it might end up being part of the 0.1% of those riders LOL
I think realistically a broken frame means insurance cover and moving to another bike.
Our S10 has only the swing arm in Aluminium so we are still semi modern )

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[Purificator81]

I don't think that they put much stock in long term durability. Aluminum frame = less weight = better power: weight ratio = quicker/faster.

This is sofar my internet reading:"In addition to durability and safety, Steel frames may be more comfortable- A comfortable bike offers some vertical compliance or flex. It isn’t completely rigid. This flex dampens vibrations and absorbs shocks from the road. This makes the ride smoother and more comfortable. When you hit a bump or pothole, it won’t feel quite as jarring. While riding on a rough gravel road, you’ll feel less arm fatigue because the frame absorbs some vibration"

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[Jlq1969]

When they talk about aluminum….and for a chassis, surely it is not “pure” aluminum….surely it is an “alloy between aluminum and another material to give it the resistance that the manufacturer needs. If an aluminum chassis breaks, and needs to be welded, the welder needs to know exactly what alloy is used in the aluminum to be welded, to use the same alloy... and hardly know (whether from Earth or Mars )….so he will weld with the aluminum he has…..

 

[lund]

Aluminum frames been around for a long time, even before the first S10.
Yamaha IMO should had gone that rout in the first place in 2010. Their motocrosser had aluminum frames then.
Its all about proper geometry and steel frames is something more of a dinosaur, with the exception of HD. LOL
I guess its about cost and not leaving the competition too far behind.

 

[Jlq1969]

In any case, a new chassis, still have to test it, whether aluminum or steel... the chassis of the S10, even if it is from the Industrial Revolution era... is more than proven and the results were 100% satisfactory (there are no record of failures in the chassis)….It is easier to lower 15 kg yourself, than to lower it to a chassis…and improve the weight-power ratio

 

[Purificator81]

Aluminum frames been around for a long time, even before the first S10.
Yamaha IMO should had gone that rout in the first place in 2010. Their motocrosser had aluminum frames then.
Its all about proper geometry and steel frames is something more of a dinosaur, with the exception of HD. LOL
I guess its about cost and not leaving the competition too far behind.

Never thought about frame composition until I red about the expected 1300gs...call me an old school: if it works and appears to flex better to absorb shocks and provide more comfort then it is good....sometimes new elements are more of marketing BS to increase the price (and I am sure the 1300gs will be more expensive than the 1250)...
Waiting to upgrade my suspension on the S10 to ohlins and I will forget about motorbikes until the earlier of a total loss or a riding retirement which ever comes first...

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[Checkswrecks]

Aluminum frames been around for a long time, even before the first S10.
Yamaha IMO should had gone that rout in the first place in 2010. Their motocrosser had aluminum frames then.
Its all about proper geometry and steel frames is something more of a dinosaur, with the exception of HD. LOL
I guess its about cost and not leaving the competition too far behind.

Agreed that aluminum has been used for decades.

HOWEVER

The point is that this is a first for the GS, a bike intended for an overland audience which may give it a continual pounding. Add that aluminum has a far shorter fatigue life than steel, and when cracks start to form failure can happen very very quickly. Think about those developing behind the steering stem and you'll have nightmares.

BMW has a horrible record of reliability on the first gen of anything new. While performance on the GS13 will probably be great, I don't intend to be a test candidate for a new primary structure on something that can kill me with little warning when running at high speeds. Hence my mention of Kevin Ash.

btw - The aluminum swing arm on the S10 is in a bit of a different category. It is an adaptation of a design that goes back to the 1980s (40 years) and is so massively overbuilt (1) it could weigh much less and (2) you don't hear of failures because it is known to be so stout. Compared to other ways to build a swing arm (single sided, welded aluminum truss, etc), it's a case of not optimizing weight to reduce manufacturing cost.

 

[~TABASCO~]

I think that Ducati V4S is pretty unique. Not ‘new’, but pretty cool tech from there race bikes. The engine is the frame. It has a little sun frame mounted to the front of the motor that holds the steer tube. (There race / street bike are carbon fiber frame)
And the rear has a trellis frame. Pretty cool actually. There is a video on you tube that shows one of there street legal race bikes being built. The tech with that carbon frame, I believe a carbon swing arm along with carbon wheels is really impressive. (I did not say practical)
From a design and engineering perspective, very cool………………..
A lot of race bread tech is included in there ADV motor scooter………….