Will you take the vaccine

[fac191]

I think that was Dirty Harris.

Quality

 

[Sierra1]

A C.D.C. study presented the following information. The study started with saying that the death rate from covid was 48 times higher than those that had received the vaccine and booster.

Booster vaccine side effects

Clinical trial data from the three manufactures found that the most common complaints after receiving a booster shot were injection site pain, fatigue, headaches and muscle pain. All of these are typically fairly mild and are broadly the same as with the initial vaccine course.

Beyond those common side effects, there are some differences between the different manufacturers’ booster shots. Recipients of the Pfizer booster reported chills; some who got the Moderna shot experienced mild joint pain; and some got nausea after receiving their second dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine

Covid-19 vaccine side effects may be over reported

New research published last month has suggested that up to two-thirds of the common side effects reported after a covid-19 shot may not be a consequence of the vaccine. Scientists have brought together data from 12 clinical trials of the most common coronavirus vaccines and found that a concept known as the ‘nocebo effect’ could be responsible for more than half of the complaints.

The nocebo effect is the negative version of the placebo effect and scientists have suggested that many of the more mild side effects may simply be brought about by the expectation of experiencing some discomfort.

The combined study found that the nocebo effect could account for around 76% of negative reactions to the first dose, and 52% of those reported after the second dose.

 

[Wallkeeper]

my vocabulary is decent but I learned a new one tonite, "nocebo" Very handy

Thanks Sierra

 

[Sierra1]

Can't say that I've ever heard it used before either. Of course, circumstances have never been quite like this either. All I know is that my "reactions" to my booster were not due to "nocebo". I expected moderate aches the day after, that would last for 24hrs. What I got was barely noticeable aches . . . . that lasted for three days. I put it down to me getting the third vaccination in combination with the flu shot.

 

[WJBertrand]

Good word but shouldn’t it be spelled knowcebo?


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[Jdubco]

took loads of vaccines throughout my life growing up and boosters for tetanus, havent known what was in a single one of them so whats one more if it gives even partial protection.

 

[fac191]

I really want the chip so my phone doesn't use so much of its memory and processer speed tracking me.

 

[fac191]

I really want the chip so my phone doesn't use so much of its memory and processer speed tracking me.

I need to save it so my phone can run Pegasus !

 

[Cantab]

A C.D.C. study presented the following information. The study started with saying that the death rate from covid was 48 times higher than those that had received the vaccine and booster.

Booster vaccine side effects

Clinical trial data from the three manufactures found that the most common complaints after receiving a booster shot were injection site pain, fatigue, headaches and muscle pain. All of these are typically fairly mild and are broadly the same as with the initial vaccine course.

Beyond those common side effects, there are some differences between the different manufacturers’ booster shots. Recipients of the Pfizer booster reported chills; some who got the Moderna shot experienced mild joint pain; and some got nausea after receiving their second dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine

Covid-19 vaccine side effects may be over reported

New research published last month has suggested that up to two-thirds of the common side effects reported after a covid-19 shot may not be a consequence of the vaccine. Scientists have brought together data from 12 clinical trials of the most common coronavirus vaccines and found that a concept known as the ‘nocebo effect’ could be responsible for more than half of the complaints.

The nocebo effect is the negative version of the placebo effect and scientists have suggested that many of the more mild side effects may simply be brought about by the expectation of experiencing some discomfort.

The combined study found that the nocebo effect could account for around 76% of negative reactions to the first dose, and 52% of those reported after the second dose.

Clicked on the 'Clinical trial data' and read the comments below it...some people are NOT ok with the vaccines and have had a hard time dealing with the affects, some had 2 shots and were ok then had the booster and swore never again because of on going issues.

Packet insert from Pfizer vac , seems they know full well about negative reactions to their Vac.

https://www.fda.gov/media/151707/download

Know of 3 (were) healthy under 40yr old men who now have to take heart medication for the rest of their lives after their vaccinations, apparently Pericarditis & Myocarditis aren't a thing down here..

Some workplaces are mandating vaccinations , all Government depts mandated = lots of out of work people.


If you've had anaphylaxis you still have to get a 2nd or 3rd shot for continued employment which sucks for mandated employees VERY few exceptions anaphylaxis is NOT a good enough reason for the Govt to excuse you.

In the download it says do NOT administer another shot if you had anaphylaxis.

Last year Government down here said Delta is highly infectious and deadly - so far in NZ today we have had a total 53 Covid deaths including a guy shot by the police and died who had Covid at the time.

Govt says get vaccinated stop the spread reduce hospitalizations. 2 shots have not and do not stop 'the spread' as proven at Vac pass (2 shots needed) only events eg concerts where there has been spread as reported by the Govt.

The only information our Govt dishes out is get the jab, no info on treatment if you catch Covid or any other way to help reduce symptoms or prepare for infection just the jab.

Omicron is here and the Govt are freaking out (?)

COVID-19: Current cases – Health New Zealand | Te Whatu Ora

Read the latest information about confirmed and probable cases of COVID-19 in New Zealand.

www.health.govt.nz

From what ive seen and read around the world Omicron floods the place but very mild compared to Delta. Vaccinations do not work very well with Omicron just looked at the reported data from different countries

Loads more people here are reporting of adverse reactions from Pfizer vacs.

Our household are not vaccinated and wont be anytime soon the risk vs Covid doesnt stack up.

Anyways as other people have said here each to their own

 

[Sierra1]

Around here when the vaccine initially was deployed, cases dropped. To "me" this showed that it was working. The media reported that almost all of the hospitalized were unvaccinated. Once again, convincing "me" that it was working. Omicron has been different. The vaccine does not seem to be preventing infection from Omicron near as effectively. But the vaccine does seem to be effective against Omicron's severity. My wife and I had it for a week with mild symptoms. We've had all three shots. My wife's niece had it with increased symptoms for over three weeks, and has not received any shots.

The media shows their usual graphs with cases, and deaths. There is a huge disproportion between cases and deaths. There is a huge number of cases, but the hospitalization rate today is only 17%. And the death rate is nowhere near what it was with the past variations. The vaccine is being "tweaked" by the manufacturers. To be expected.

I had assumed that if a person had reactions to the vaccine, it would exempt them from the mandatory vaccinations. Silly me for applying common sense to the situation.

 

[Scoop47501]

I have come to realize that this is very different from person to person.
My wife and I have had three shots each. She had the Moderna and I had the Phizer. In the last two years she has had zero symptoms and I had a mild cold. I tested for Covid then and it was negative. We have not taken any precautions in months other than required. Just got back from a month in Florida and lived life like a normal person eating out and shopping etc.. I know we have been exposed but nothing came of it. Did the Vaccine help us ? I believe so. Now on the flip side. Our oldest son and his wife have had the first variant of Covid and had to stay home for a 10 days I believe . After that he got two Phizer shots and his wife did not get any. They both came down with Omicron and he was fine in 5 days. She had a bit of a harder time with it but did not end up in the hostpital.
I still believe the Vaccine helps but who knows at this point.

 

[Sierra1]

Fun fact to muddy the water even more: Consider how the vaccines differ in their dosing. J&J, the least effective in the studies, has only one shot in its primary series; the mRNA vaccines have two. So anyone who got J&J (and hasn’t yet gotten a booster) received half as many doses total. Comparing Pfizer with Moderna, you see another dose difference: Each shot of Pfizer contains 30 micrograms of mRNA, while each one of Moderna contains 100. (Doses for children could also differ in size: Pfizer has proposed 10-microgram shots, while Moderna is going with 50.) Just how much of the difference in the shots’ performance can be summed up by saying “More vaccine is better”?

 

[Strummer]

So...
I have been at home for the last five days surrounded by three positive people, my partner ( I don't know in English how to say somebody who decides to share his/her life with someone else without being married...), my 8 and 3 years old sons...
They were tested and resulted positive to covid.
I have been tested myself for three days and always been negative...
My girlfriend and I both have had the third shot.
She got it and I, so far, didn't...
Having young kids I don't even bother to wear a mask inside, I live in a quite small house so the
" Beast of Satan" ( as I have started to call them) are trying to infect me in every way but my fort is still holding...
Has the vaccine helped me?
I like to think so.
Even though I like to think to myself as a rock, I am a very very skinny geezer so to me it's just a matter of luck if I won't get the virus or again the vaccine helped...
Tomorrow I am going to the hospital for a new molecular test to see if I turned positive...
Luckily none of my family have had bad symptoms, the kids are more lively than ever and it's kind of difficult explain to them that they are not " sick"...
Sorry for the long post

 

[WJBertrand]

Just saw an article in Science magazine where they are researching folks that seem to be genetically immune. These are unvaccinated people that, in spite of deliberate exposure, do not become infected nor test positive. The investigators are actually placing droplets of Covid-19 virus in the nasal passages of volunteers. The research is being done in the UK, needless to say it’s somewhat controversial. If they can understand these folks resistance it might lead to new and better vaccines and treatments. Sorry for some reason I cannot copy and past the link.


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[Sierra1]

Hasn't that always been "a thing"? Throughout history, I believe there's always been a certain segment/number of the population that is immune to viruses. I do think this is the first time that somebody's actually tried to figure out why. My wife and I are an example. She catches "bugs" that I don't, and vice versa. We did both catch Omicron, but had different symptoms. Different immune systems.

 

[Jlq1969]

I don't know if I would be so calm walking down the street knowing that I am immune to a virus, and also knowing that "THEY" know it too
I think I have to stop watching pandemic movies

 

[Sierra1]

I remember watching Omega Man with Charlton Heston. The remake "I am Legend" didn't do much for me. I was waiting for somebody to come with that the vaccine will cause zombies.

 

[WJBertrand]

If you listen to some folks, they think we already have the zombie vaccine!


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[Wallkeeper]

“Brainnnsss………”

Well known Zombie saying

 

[Checkswrecks]

I had to laugh at a ferrier posting in another forum about customers who pester him with questions non-stop and seem not to trust him. He ended it with "Who is the professional here?"

Kinda ironic since he's an anti-vaxxer.