Kyle_E
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Will you take the vaccine
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I'm reading now, that they are suggesting that if you have received a J&J vaccine, you should strongly consider getting a Pfizer, or Moderna, booster vaccine. They still haven't decided if a booster is need if you received the Pfizer, or Moderna, in the first place. They're also reporting, that for the most part, the only people passing from the virus now, are the unvaccinated. If nothing else, that would influence me to get it.
WJBertrand
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I read somewhere that fully vaccinated folks are representing less than one percent of those hospitalized by covid right now. 99+% are unvaccinated.
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SHUMBA
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I've had both vaccinations, that is two doses of Pfizer.
Here's what you need to know or must realize. You get vaccinated to protect not only yourself but primarily to protect others. There are folks out there who are vulnerable and how would you feel if you were carrying the virus and spread it to someone less fortunate (mother, father, auntie, uncle, car mechanic....the list goes on.
We have no shortage of anti vaxxers up here in Canada....makes me sick...no pun intended...
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We certainly have some, but I think it's more noise than actual substance. For instance, I know someone that keeps on going on about the usual junk, but quietly got vaccinated.
At present we have 68% of total population with one vaccine dose, I think it's about 80% (can't find exact number) of eligible with one dose. Those are some pretty damn good numbers.
For reference, our southern neighbours are at about the saturation point of getting people vaccinated. They are at 54% of total with one dose, only up 4% from a month ago.
As one of your southern neighbors, I'm irritated by the fact that people are being given "incentives" to get vaccinated. Because not dying isn't a good enough reason? 
If you actually strongly fear the potential side effects, fine. But, to get vaccinated, because you get a treat?! Hmmmm. . . . . Pavlov's dog? Way to stand for your principals.
If you actually strongly fear the potential side effects, fine. But, to get vaccinated, because you get a treat?! Hmmmm. . . . . Pavlov's dog? Way to stand for your principals.
SilverBullet
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Just wait for the next pandemic (yes there will be one). Rush to be the first in line to receive the new vaccine will stall. Many will hold out waiting for the "incentives". Too late to put that trick back in the box.
That's fine. It means I won't have to stand in line as long. While they're waiting for their "good dog" treats, I'll be surviving.
MattR
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Darwin will sort out the antivaxers eventually. This pandemic will kill off many of them but those that are left will use the same arguments when the next pandemic come along. And the next one and the next one. So slowly but surely they will disappear into oblivion. Sad really, bit like Neanderthal man…
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WJBertrand
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I heard the other day that testing results are showing 0.006% of vaccinated people are showing positive for covid. Further, I read that 99+ % of those hospitalized with Covid are not vaccinated. If we ever get to heard immunity it seems it will be because some insist on gaining immunity the hard way.
What I find interesting is that Pfizer, the company that made the vaccine, is still recommending a booster. . . . but, government officials are not sure/convinced. So, who are y'all going to listen to. . . . the maker. . . . or the government?
So, who are y'all going to listen to. . . . the maker. . . . or the government?
WJBertrand
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So has the FDA actually pushed back or expressed doubt? I think Pfizer just has to go through the usual review process either for EUA or full approval. I know from working with the FDA myself, they don't just rubber stamp stuff, you need to convince them. I also heard that Moderna was going to apply for an authorization/approval for a booster as well.What I find interesting is that Pfizer, the company that made the vaccine, is still recommending a booster. . . . but, government officials are not sure/convinced.
As far as who to believe, don't "believe" anyone, it's not a question of belief; show me the data!
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Eville Rich
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Getting a booster may make sense or at least provide a bit of insurance. Plenty of vaccines require boosters or annual updates. I'm fine with it and expect that with the pace of variants, boosters or updates for COVID should be expected.
Eville Rich
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Eville Rich
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No, what I posted is what the media is puting out. . . . Pfizer says "yes", government says "we're not sure, lets look at is some more." I understand there's the correct process that has to be followed. But, for or against the vaccine, it's working. Will there be side effects? We'll see. But, initially, that's why there was a two shot requirement. So your body could remember how to make the antibodies. That's why we get flu shots each year, our body "forgets" how to make the specific antibodies. And, the flu changes from year to year, so they have to pick which version they think it will be. I'm with Eville Rich, it only makes sense that a booster is required. I guess that if you came in contact with the virus, and you're vaccinated, your body is making the antibodies, and everything is good. So, if you occasionally come in contact with the virus, would your body remember to keep making antibodies? If that's the case, it would be possible to not need a booster since continuous contact would keep the antibodies produced.
My opinion. . . . "they" planned on everybody getting vaccinated, which would have all but ended the virus in that first year. But, here we are, with a huge amount of people refusing to get the shot. The booster is likely to be required, because we're nowhere near done with the virus.
My opinion. . . . "they" planned on everybody getting vaccinated, which would have all but ended the virus in that first year. But, here we are, with a huge amount of people refusing to get the shot. The booster is likely to be required, because we're nowhere near done with the virus.
WJBertrand
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The longer we have a festering pot of unvaccinated people anywhere, the more opportunity for potentially troublesome variants to arise. One virologist I saw mentioned that some viruses only have so many tricks up their sleeve, so if that's true for this virus, perhaps the variants will stop appearing. Too early to know.
SHUMBA
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As David Clayton Thomas sang, "I ain't a 'fraid a of 'dyin, and I don't really care".....
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It's the new flu, just get your vaccination and get over it.
Duh, dontcha y'all remember, we lined up at school and got our needle, for tetanus, cholera, small pox, er what did I forget?
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SHUMBA
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Fingers crossed.
UK gov today announced (with delta variant surging and against many top doctors and scientists advice to wait and keep vaccinating, after getting so very far with the vaccine rollout, while still falling short on vaccinating the young and many second doses for older) that, they will remove legal restrictions on 19th July and open everything up including indoor venues and removal of a legal requirement to wear a mask on transport and indoors.
That mask one irks me, masks are about other people, soon supermarket workers, bus drivers etc will now have a swarm of possibly infected people pouring in with no regard to how they might feel about it and, some people who are scared will feel like they can’t go shopping now. Disrespectful that given wearing a mask is a small thing you can do for other people and it’s not forever.
The estimate is that it will go from 30k/day cases 100k/day soon (some say 150-200k it could be). Although they aren’t saying it it does look like an fairly expensive attempt to get to herd immunity.
There’s going to be a lot of sick people arriving at hospital soon, even a small % of a big number is still big and some won’t make it and some will be sick for a long time.
Strap in its going to get bumpy
That mask one irks me, masks are about other people, soon supermarket workers, bus drivers etc will now have a swarm of possibly infected people pouring in with no regard to how they might feel about it and, some people who are scared will feel like they can’t go shopping now. Disrespectful that given wearing a mask is a small thing you can do for other people and it’s not forever.
The estimate is that it will go from 30k/day cases 100k/day soon (some say 150-200k it could be). Although they aren’t saying it it does look like an fairly expensive attempt to get to herd immunity.
There’s going to be a lot of sick people arriving at hospital soon, even a small % of a big number is still big and some won’t make it and some will be sick for a long time.
Strap in its going to get bumpy
I don't know how many of your citizens were complying with the mask order/mandate, but, around here, more didn't wear them, than did. OPINION: if a person doesn't want to catch covid. . . . get the vaccine. It's proven that it works. Maybe that's what your people in charge are trying to force. Remove the precautions, to "inspire" vaccination. Because, over here, if a person wants the vaccine. . . . the person gets the vaccine, no waiting.
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