Will you take the vaccine

will you take the vaccine

  • yes

    Votes: 91 37.0%
  • no

    Votes: 24 9.8%
  • maybe later

    Votes: 21 8.5%
  • heck no

    Votes: 30 12.2%
  • BTDT - Got the shot

    Votes: 80 32.5%

  • Total voters
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Checkswrecks

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1) The media had nothing to do with me deciding to take the vaccine. 2) IIRC, it was CW that advised that they did not have to start at zero developing the vaccine; SARS has been around for a long time. 3) I do think that the actual number of deceased from covid are artificially inflated. But, it really doesn't matter, because a dead loved one is a dead loved one. 4) If you honestly think that the "pandemic is farce", you're just talking out of your ass.

Take it or not, your choice. But, don't tell people how wrong they are because it hasn't been tested enough. That's just plain asinine.
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My choice whether it was safe and when to take it were based on listening to a scientist who actually was in the middle of the development and has a vested interest in ME. My daughter. Since her company was in on development of something like 18 of the original contenders and is also the production facility for some of the big names that reached production she is a user of the real data behind the scenes.

In a quick summary of what I've written in this thread previously, she originally said last summer it should be safe but don't take it when it is first offered. Then there were millions who had the shot in a bigger statistical base than a normal trial so while it was developed quick and released as an emergency (not approved) vaccine, there were substantial numbers showing it was safe. After that the original limited demographics were expanded and again there were millions of more data records, which expanded the eligible groups to nearly everybody. The first shots in the original test subjects were over a half a year ago so in medical terms this is not a new thing anymore. Seems to me it was around the start of the year when she said she had no qualms about me getting the shot and I finally did a couple of weeks ago.

You believe who you want, I know she has my back and knows what she's talking about. Not only that but she personally has some serious medical issues and last year said she probably would never be able to get the vaccine. That's 100% turned around and she got her first shot last week so I am one relieved Dad.

In what I take as an indication that we are past the peak of this thing, while she and her company are working on modifications for the variants, the overtime has been reduced and she says that most of her time is now spent growing nasty cells for something totally unrelated to 'Rona.
 
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But, it really doesn't matter, because a dead loved one is a dead loved one. 4) If you honestly think that the "pandemic is farce", you're just talking out of your ass.
I had a long time friend that still believes that it's a conspiracy and COVID is not real. His wife died from renal failure back in 2007 because she did not believe dialyses was a real treatment. It's a very sad story. Every year or so he gets almost deathly ill from the flu because he has chosen to not get vaccinated.

I realize that when my time comes God will make that decision. I also realize that God has given us choice to take the lifeline (COVID vaccine) he has created to keep us on earth a little longer. Please don't be offended of my belief. I'm not trying to get all "bible thumper" here. It's my personal relationship I have with my maker.

I think almost all of us here are ready to get back to our normal lives and enjoy the freedom of riding and comradery of hanging out without the anxiety of possibly contracting COVID. Even worse passing it on and killing another human.
 

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What I find alarming is the personal attacks and beat down of any one here with a different view of getting the vaccine or not.

It’s ones own personal choice. Period. If you believe it’s safe- for whatever reasons. Great take it.

If you don’t believe it’s safe don’t get it. Great.

In terms of medical timeframe this vaccine has been rushed. There’s no doubt about that. We have become a society of “we want it now”. From shipping to medical procedures.

I had a retinal detachment, and was told it would be “years” in healing and knowing what the final outcome would be. I wanted perfect sight the day after surgery.

Side effects of this vaccine could pop up “years” from now. As an impatient society we focus on how we feel the day after. Or the week after.

Nothing is constant with our “experts”. Today Fauci is saying it’s not 6 feet it’s 3 feet. Every day the standard changes. Now multiple masks are better.

Why does one feel the “duty” to force someone who has a different opinion to have the same as yours?
 

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What, exactly, is proven about a vaccine that was developed in less than a year? Speaking of intelligent humans they stopped believing the main stream media lies years ago, jump on board.
Why is it so difficult to believe that a vaccine that would normally take 3 years to develop could be developed in one year when it’s the only way to save humanity from a global catastrophe? They worked day and night to get this through all of the usual tests. They are the real heros of this story.


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What I find alarming is the personal attacks and beat down of any one here with a different view of getting the vaccine or not.

It’s ones own personal choice. Period. If you believe it’s safe- for whatever reasons. Great take it.

If you don’t believe it’s safe don’t get it. Great.

In terms of medical timeframe this vaccine has been rushed. There’s no doubt about that. We have become a society of “we want it now”. From shipping to medical procedures.

I had a retinal detachment, and was told it would be “years” in healing and knowing what the final outcome would be. I wanted perfect sight the day after surgery.

Side effects of this vaccine could pop up “years” from now. As an impatient society we focus on how we feel the day after. Or the week after.

Nothing is constant with our “experts”. Today Fauci is saying it’s not 6 feet it’s 3 feet. Every day the standard changes. Now multiple masks are better.

Why does one feel the “duty” to force someone who has a different opinion to have the same as yours?
Mak, I'm totally with you that it's up to each of us as an individual. Heck if pressured before my daughter said it was safe, I was in the "just wait" camp. At the same time, if that's our choice we need to accept the consequences if family doesn't want us around, stores require masks, or any other restrictions. That's THEIR choice about who comes on their turf and how.

As for trying to manipulate or force others, let me introduce you to my ex the nurse.
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1) The media had nothing to do with me deciding to take the vaccine. 2) IIRC, it was CW that advised that they did not have to start at zero developing the vaccine; SARS has been around for a long time. 3) I do think that the actual number of deceased from covid are artificially inflated. But, it really doesn't matter, because a dead loved one is a dead loved one. 4) If you honestly think that the "pandemic is farce", you're just talking out of your ass.

Take it or not, your choice. But, don't tell people how wrong they are because it hasn't been tested enough. That's just plain asinine.
Speaking of talking out of one's ass, check out the quote above this sentence.^^
The media has been complicit in the 'mask shaming' etc. and have spread the 'pandemic' fear - reporting that ERs are overrun with patients etc.

I have full sympathy for those who have lost loved ones. Loss is loss no matter the reason.

There is a china virus, it can be deadly, but it has been grossly misrepresented by both the media and government 'experts'.

And once again, ANYONE who thinks a vaccine developed and distributed in one years time is safe - is a moron. There are numerous examples of 'safe' meds administered only to find out years later that they caused more damage than they saved.

Why is it so difficult to believe that a vaccine that would normally take 3 years to develop could be developed in one year when it’s the only way to save humanity from a global catastrophe? They worked day and night to get this through all of the usual tests. They are the real heros of this story.
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It is my understanding that most vaccines take 10 years to develop and test... Its a rushed product. If the people who take it don't grow a third arm in 10 years I'll relax..

I realize that when my time comes God will make that decision. I also realize that God has given us choice to take the lifeline (COVID vaccine) he has created to keep us on earth a little longer. Please don't be offended of my belief. I'm not trying to get all "bible thumper" here. It's my personal relationship I have with my maker.
True ^^
Choice is the main point here as far as I'm concerned. My posts are my response to those who are being pissy about those who choose to not take the vaccine.
If God provided the vaccine He also provided crack cocaine, and once again we all have the choice to partake or to abstain.

Mask shaming or vaccine shaming etc are a method of taking away that choice, I won't tolerate either one.
 

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Mak is right about people wanting instant gratification. He's also right about possible vaccine side effects manifesting years from now. I've never has an issue waiting for something I really want or need; which annoys my wife. But, covid is a here and now danger, and for some people is a here forever danger. So, yeah, I wanted protection immediately. . . . 'cuz, with covid. . . . there might not be a tomorrow. I know plenty of people that don't trust the vaccine. In some cases it surprises me. . . . others. . . . it's what I expected. In all cases we joke about side effects. We don't call each other names.

When covid first started up, I don't think anybody realized where we would end up. I just don't understand that now, after all that has happened, there are still people that think that it's not real.
 

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What, exactly, is proven about a vaccine that was developed in less than a year? Speaking of intelligent humans they stopped believing the main stream media lies years ago, jump on board.
Oh my god is this rich or what?! So who's listening to what media (mainstream or otherwise) to arrive at a decision? Sounds like you are! :D:D:D:D:D
 

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Why is it so difficult to believe that a vaccine that would normally take 3 years to develop could be developed in one year when it’s the only way to save humanity from a global catastrophe? They worked day and night to get this through all of the usual tests. They are the real heros of this story.


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I think the unappreciated element in this argument is is the advance in technology. Can one deny that a document sent from coast to coast today happens in a matter of seconds? After all, didn't it used to take days by pony express? When one actually sees a document delivered electronically coast to coast today right in front of their eyes, should one deny what's right in front of them because it took the pony express many days to do the same? Virtually every aspect of our lives has accelerated as a result of technology advancement, why should the development of vaccines or any other product be any different?

The argument reminds me of my Grandfather, I loved him and he was a good man, but only had a 3rd grade education. He was convinced there was nothing more to know. When the moon landings happened he refused to believe they were true. It boiled down to him having no way to comprehend how it was done from his severely limited knowledge base, therefore in his mind it could not be possible. This is the same scenario for those who deny that an effective and safe vaccine could be developed in a year (oh and if one were to bother looking into it, the technology that made this possible was under development a lot longer than a year). One's ignorance of the technology makes it impossible for them to comprehend, therefore they shut their minds and declare it impossible.
 

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Your post is completely without merit.... What is proven about the vaccine?
Ummmm - There may be something in the collected data on the more than 400,000,000 people already vaccinated and mRNA development over the last 20+ years. The development and data are pretty overwhelming at this point.

But I have no problem with anybody thinking they're different.
 
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I had a different approach to how this COVID and vaccine presented itself. I am admittedly very skeptical of any mainstream media or charts posted on the internet.

I only had to see the aftermath of major holidays and large group gatherings when all of the sudden my local hospitals were bursting at the seams with patients on respirators. 4th of July and Thanksgiving were the worst. Also from the get go of COVID I had at least 3 doctors and more than a few nurses warning me of the dangers and risks of not wearing a mask in public.

The sad wake up call was when my wife was informed her perfectly healthy uncle passed away from COVID. This stuff is no joke.

Just a few short weeks ago I had a scare where I ended up in the emergency room with what I (and nurse) thought might be COVID. 103 temperature, chills, nausea, diarrhea and fainting. I called a nurse from home and was informed to get to the ER within an hour. I was given a red band and tested for COVID while sitting isolated on a bench.

The whole time waiting for my COVID results I was scared I might have caught it and transmitted it to my wife and mother in law. The doctors asked exactly where I was the last 14 days and it was very easy to answer as I only go to physical therapy twice a week, Davita for renal training, and shopping for special renal food once a week. Everything else is delivered or picked up. When I go to gas stations I make sure I'm isolated from anyone and wear a mask. In fact I have a mask on from the time I exit my vehicle to after I enter it. When I go for walks I mask up and avoid getting near anyone.

Over 4 hours, 2 jab and twists up the nose cavity, and 10+ blood tests later, I was given the clear to a "clean room". 16 hours after that it was determined I had food poisoning. I was in the hospital for 2 days getting pumped with antibiotics.

So yes I am a believer in COVID and am 100% certain it's real, people are dying of it and the vaccine is effective. I was watching people get wheeled into the "dirty rooms". The nurses and doctors are fully suited up in haz mat outfits before entering those rooms.
 

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Fen phen
Valdecoxib
Pemoline
Bromfenac
Livamisole
Rofecoxibe
Isotretinoin
Sibutromin
Terfenadine
Efalizumab
etc etc etc
 

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I'd like to stay around and continue this debate, but I'm going to get out on a ride for the weekend.
My point(s) are this, 1 - No one knows for certain that this vaccine is safe, and won't know until time has passed.
2 - It is up to the individual to choose. Harsh words have been said on both sides, certainly from me as well, but as has been said by others, "you do you and I'll do me".
 

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Asbestos was the greatest product ever made. Until it wasn’t.

How many years did it take to come to the conclusion it was deadly?

X-rays were the greatest thing ever, even used to see how well shoes fit your feet. Until it wasn’t.

Some of you act like today’s scientists and Doctors have reached God status as far as knowledge.

If things have advanced so far, and we are so advanced why do we not have a cure for Alzheimer’s? Cancer? Or any other assortment of ailments?

I looked at a hand built culvert made out of stone under a railroad trestle that is well over a century old. It was in perfect shape. How much educational schooling do you think the Chinese man had that built it?

Have we advanced? Yeah. Do we know it all? Are our scientists Gods? Uh NO. At one point in time world’s most learned men said the world was flat. And to challenge them could mean death.

I don’t know what long term side effects might come from this vaccine. It doesn’t matter how many have been vaccinated. It can be millions. Short term issues seem to be small.
What are long term issues? Some of you must have crystal balls.
 

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Ancient civilizations ascribed to God phenomenon they could not comprehend. If one chooses to be ignorant of the technology and available information, then they might see those they disagree with as invoking God.


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Asbestos was the greatest product ever made. Until it wasn’t.

How many years did it take to come to the conclusion it was deadly?

X-rays were the greatest thing ever, even used to see how well shoes fit your feet. Until it wasn’t.

Some of you act like today’s scientists and Doctors have reached God status as far as knowledge.

If things have advanced so far, and we are so advanced why do we not have a cure for Alzheimer’s? Cancer? Or any other assortment of ailments?

I looked at a hand built culvert made out of stone under a railroad trestle that is well over a century old. It was in perfect shape. How much educational schooling do you think the Chinese man had that built it?

Have we advanced? Yeah. Do we know it all? Are our scientists Gods? Uh NO. At one point in time world’s most learned men said the world was flat. And to challenge them could mean death.

I don’t know what long term side effects might come from this vaccine. It doesn’t matter how many have been vaccinated. It can be millions. Short term issues seem to be small.
What are long term issues? Some of you must have crystal balls.
Well you may not have to worry about long term effects. Covid may have killed you before we are absolutely sure the vaccine is as safe as the experts tell us. But would you trust these scientists and doctors that you mistrust so much to perform heart surgery on you if you needed it? Would you trust your GP if he offered you a drug to cure your arthritis? What’s the difference?


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Look at it another way. Would you trust a new med student to do open heart surgery on you? Would you let a new surgeon practice brain surgery? Be honest. I’d be hesitant.

We’ve come a long way in medicine. But Dr’s and Scientists haven’t made God level yet.
 
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