Will you take the vaccine

will you take the vaccine

  • yes

    Votes: 85 69.1%
  • no

    Votes: 12 9.8%
  • maybe later

    Votes: 17 13.8%
  • heck no

    Votes: 9 7.3%

  • Total voters
    123

SHUMBA

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I have a hard time believing any mainstream media no matter what the source. There is so much that happens on a "need to know" basis that any comments made by the media in regards to military life are almost always inaccurate info.

Times change for sure and even I could be wrong. I was sharing my personal experiences having served and speaking to my fellow comrades who recently served.



I have lived in California most all my life born and raised. My state attracts all the freeloaders and freaks from around the world. It's a criminals paradise. So many of us want to move out but are unable due to obligations or situations.

If you are from another country and want free healthcare and welfare, this is the state to be in. My cousin works for Social Services. It takes only 6 hours to get a welfare check and EBT card if you know how to lie on the forms.

Vaccines and COVID tests here are the same way. I recently got a COVID test at a "free" super site. I filled out the info honestly and put in my insurance info. Yesterday I was billed 350.00 for that test and I'm waiting to see if my insurance will pick any of it up. If you are homeless or a convicted felon, you simply put that info into the form and the test is 100% free.

Right now I'm dealing with stuff that is unimaginable. I'm so damn frustrated with Californias system. I'm holding on to a thread of hope that my honesty and integrity will win out in the end.
Hmmmm...sorry to hear all of this.
I guess there's more to life than a great climate.
I'm in Ontario Canada and our province along with the other nine provinces each have their own health care systems.
Although it's a "free system" not so fast, as they do not pay for everything, yes they do for major things.
Nothing is "free" though as it all is reflected in our taxation system.
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SHUMBA

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Hmmmm...sorry to hear all of this.
I guess there's more to life than a great climate.
I'm in Ontario Canada and our province along with the other nine provinces each have their own health care systems.
Although it's a "free system" not so fast, as they do not pay for everything, yes they do for major things.
Nothing is "free" though as it all is reflected in our taxation system.
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Oh forgot...in the U.S. you pay, here in Canada, we wait.
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Sierra1

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Very interesting. It was my understanding that the first dose wasn't expected to be all that effective. And, even after the second dose, it was going to be about two weeks to be truly covered. But, if their numbers are right, that is something to celebrate.
 

fac191

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I'm very ambivalent about getting the vaccine. I am under 50, in pretty good health, retired/work from home. I'm not anti-vaccine, but I am a bit skeptical about the speed that this one was developed.

I am happy to wait a while and let all the people who are high risk get it, along with all the people who are high drama.

When it's convenient for me I will likely get it. I'm also waiting to see travel restrictions (within the USA borders) for non-vaccinated personnel. Ze Papers, Please!!
We had a vacine ready to go in Jan 2020 as we were already working on the Ebola virus. The University put the money up front to get it going. Thats why it was so quick.
 

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"Israeli study finds Pfizer vaccine 85% effective after first shot"



Unbelievable that people still argue against it.
 

WJBertrand

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This is fantastic news. Just last week I saw a report (googled it) that the Pfizer vaccine was 52% effective after the first shot, then today I re-googled it and there are reports now saying 90% efficacy after one shot. When I searched last week I also found that were reporting the Modena vaccine was 80% effective after the first shot. I think in both cases that I looked up last week they were referring to data collected 2 weeks out from the 1st injection. The 90% data I saw said 3 weeks out, so perhaps that accounts for the difference to last week's data?

What I find interesting is that the press is constantly scaring us about the mutations/variants of the virus and how they are more infectious, deadly and resistant to the vaccine, they are even claiming that some of the variants are now the dominant strain in certain geographies. Yet, in spite of that hyperbole, the dramatic decrease in infection rates continues, particularly in areas where vaccinations are starting to reach significant numbers. I'm seeing a light at the end of the tunnel!
 

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. . . . I'm seeing a light at the end of the tunnel!
And, it's not a train this time.

"Israeli study finds Pfizer vaccine 85% effective after first shot"



Unbelievable that people still argue against it.
IF I'm reading the graph correctly. . . . it wasn't until about two weeks after the second dose that the new cases started dropping. Regardless, the proof is in the pudding. One dose, two doses, it doesn't matter. It obviously is working. And, I haven't heard of any extra arms, legs, or eyeballs popping up/out as a side effect.
 

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What I find interesting is that the press is constantly scaring us about the mutations/variants of the virus and how they are more infectious, deadly and resistant to the vaccine, they are even claiming that some of the variants are now the dominant strain in certain geographies.
Totally with you, Jeff.
From what my daughter's said and I keep reading, having variations and mutations is to be expected, but since they are still the base virus the same vaccines are effective. Maybe a bit less so for the variants further removed from the baseline, but being further removed means there's less of those per capita.
 

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Anyone have any guess on how far the cases will fall after all vaccines are done? My guess is zero. Too late now to save USA. It was too late the first day the first person brought it over here.
 

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I believe we can get rid of covid, but it's going to take several years considering the resistance to taking the vaccine. But, it's also going to take continuous vaccinations since it's not a "one & done." After everybody gets the first set/sets, they're going to have to start all over again so the virus doesn't get a chance to reflash.
 

Sierra1

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Having the virus, and recovering, is no different that getting the vaccine. . . . as far as antibodies go. They're have both been assigned 6-12 months of immunity. That's not going to get rid of covid permanently.
 

MattR

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Anyone have any guess on how far the cases will fall after all vaccines are done? My guess is zero. Too late now to save USA. It was too late the first day the first person brought it over here.
In the UK, with 25% of the adult population now vaccinated (1st dose) we are seeing significant falls in infection rate and are about to release restrictions again


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