Will you take the vaccine

will you take the vaccine

  • yes

    Votes: 88 43.1%
  • no

    Votes: 17 8.3%
  • maybe later

    Votes: 23 11.3%
  • heck no

    Votes: 17 8.3%
  • BTDT - Got the shot

    Votes: 59 28.9%

  • Total voters
    204

WJBertrand

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I’ll tell you what, WJ in a years time if the virus has died out. I’ll ride my bike to California and buy you a Steak dinner at the restaurant of your choice. Let’s even make it 2 years from now.
Deal, though I doubt I'll ever collect. It will still exist but the definition of "dying out" is that it is no longer considered even an epidemic, not that it vanishes completely. "Dying out" is a term virologists use to describe the end of an epidemic, not necessarily the complete disappearance of a virus, not my words.
 

Doug C

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I’ll tell you what, WJ in a years time if the virus has died out. I’ll ride my bike to California and buy you a Steak dinner at the restaurant of your choice. Let’s even make it 2 years from now.
If society's won’t take the simple steps to allow the virus to die out yes I’m afraid it will be around for a while yet
 

Bill_C

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The vaccine is just one tool in the bag, though probably one of the most effective ones, even if it only lasts 6 - 8 months. That might be enough time for the virus to die out, or at least be reduced to the point where it is no longer considered a pandemic.
The problem that I see, per the data Rich linked above, is that the vaccine's ability to lower viral load is null at 6 months (and potentially sooner). So on the plus side, we (the vaccinated) will likely not get sick even after 6 months (which I love) but our viral loads at 6 months are, statistically speaking, no less than the un-vaccinated if we get infected (which I hate).

I don't know about you, but I'm at my 6 month mark and I can't get the booster even though I absolutely want it and would take a day off work just to get it. That means I, the vaccinated, am just as much to blame for mutation and spreading as the un-vaccinated guy down the street if I get infected. So yes, it is a tool and a good tool (IMO) but the fact remains that a large swath of the vaccinated will be hitting the 6 month mark in the next 1-3 months... right as winter and flu season kicks in, and yet there is no plan that I've heard of to get us boosters unless we are compromised or over 65. At that point, the blame game means squat because most of us will be in the same "viral load" boat with the un-vaccinated.

I sure hope that someone more educated on these things than us would see the problem with viral load at 6 months and take action to get boosters out to everyone ASAP.

In the mean time, all I can do is take care of me and mine. Life is too short to get pissed at someone who sees things differently than me. I don't know how other people do it, I'd be miserable.
 

pooh and xtine

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Coronaviruses have always hung around for a few years but in the past we’ve never studied and monitored them to the point of obsession. Post viral “long” conditions have always affected a proportion of people, but that’s the nature of coronaviruses. We’ve never been able to develop an effective vaccine for the common cold and we probably never will. The covid vaccines help alleviate symptoms, as do generic anti viral drugs if you get it badly - taking these is all we can do. Now we need to get on with life and stop worrying ourselves to death. This virus will die out like they all do - it has already stopped mutating.

If anything good comes out of covid it should be a wake up call to lose weight - 66% of UK adults are overweight or obese, which is absolutely disgraceful and completely unacceptable. Being overweight is the most significant comorbidity in covid deaths and it’s self inflicted. It costs our health services billions every year and all because we eat too much and are lazy. If the trillions spent shutting the world down is to have any value to mankind it should be that we live healthier lifestyles.
 

Sierra1

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What I am seeing is that we are putting all our faith in the “vaccine” as a he cure all, end all solution. . . . the vaccine provides some protection initially, but degrades rapidly.

One issue I have is the blame of this pandemic being pointed at the “unvaccinated” or the unmasked, or the people going to bike rallies or ???? Society wants someone to blame.
I understand people’s hesitation in getting a vaccine that is not yet proven. It’s going to take time.
I get the feeling that people are not honest about the vaccine shortcomings because then people won’t get vaccinated. . . .
. . . . Another fallacy that is out there: “If you get Covid surely thou WILL die”. I know many people (even some of my kids) who have had Covid, and have fully recovered. . . .
The vaccine works . . . . as far as reducing your chance of catching the virus, and reducing the symptoms is you do catch it. Does not eliminate your chance of infection. That is a shortcoming. Limited duration is a shortcoming. Being unable to get a booster is a shortcoming. And, yes, it's not a guaranteed death sentence; 98% survivable. Sure does suck if you're in that 2% though . . . . and you don't know which percentage you're gonna be in.

. . . . The vaccine is just one tool in the bag, though probably one of the most effective ones, even if it only lasts 6 - 8 months. That might be enough time for the virus to die out, or at least be reduced to the point where it is no longer considered a pandemic.
Opinion: a couple rounds of boosters, would go a long way of reducing infections. MERCK has a pill that is working well if you do get infected. Kinda like the Plan B pill.


. . . . I don't know about you, but I'm at my 6 month mark and I can't get the booster even though I absolutely want it and would take a day off work just to get it. That means I, the vaccinated, am just as much to blame for mutation and spreading as the un-vaccinated guy down the street if I get infected. So yes, it is a tool and a good tool (IMO) but the fact remains that a large swath of the vaccinated will be hitting the 6 month mark in the next 1-3 months... right as winter and flu season kicks in, and yet there is no plan that I've heard of to get us boosters unless we are compromised or over 65. . . .
I do want to know why Pfizer used 30mcg, and Moderna used 100mcg. Moderna supposedly gives eight months of "protection". At the beginning of September, both companies were expected to roll out their boosters. Politics got involved, and now Pfizer had to prove their booster was needed. Moderna is in the process of proving their case. FDA claims to be "following the science". To me, that means listening to the scientists that developed the vaccines. I mean, it was their science that developed it wasn't it? So, if their science is saying a booster is needed, what is it not being followed?

On the positive side, if a person practices anti-covid habits, ie: washing, distancing, and masking . . . . preventing the flu is a piece of cake. The flu is nowhere near as contagious as covid.
 

Bill_C

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On the positive side, if a person practices anti-covid habits, ie: washing, distancing, and masking . . . . preventing the flu is a piece of cake. The flu is nowhere near as contagious as covid.
I whole heartedly agree. I'm still getting a flu shot just in case though. I don't have time for getting sick if I can avoid it.


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WJBertrand

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The FDA has a board consisting of independent scientists and experts that make recommendations to the FDA. They don’t just listen to the manufacturer’s scientists or rely solely on their own expertise.


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MattR

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The probability theory works, IF the vaccine kept one from being a host.

But now we are being told, that vaccinated people are both hosts and carriers of the virus. This doesn’t work, stopping the mutation. Maybe it helps with the severity of Covid if you are infected.

Looking at the numbers Redger posted, the case load looks better for the folks who only had one vaccine. Just the bottom numbers don’t add up.

Please show me where Covid is more “infectious” than smallpox for example?

How do we know that the Delta variant is much more contagious than before? Do the people getting tested now get told what strain or variety they are infected with? I’m guessing not.
We all want a fast easy fix, it’s not looking fast or easy.
They don’t get told it but it can be identified by the lab from their test sample


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holligl

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Got the booster and a flu shot today. Give me a week and I think I'll burn all my stupid masks!

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Berg_Donk

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After a slow start, vaccination rates here in Oz are progressing. We may achieve 90% around year's end, maybe.

This is an interesting website I came across; https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/selected-deaths-vs-covid-19-australia

Our island status and managed lockdowns have kept the deaths down. You can select any country and drag the slider to speed it up if you like.
 
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Wallkeeper

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Have people noticed the correlation between the lack of computer chips for things like new bike, cars and other manufactured goods, and the vaccine rollout? ;)
Now I know why that needle was the size of garden hose:eek:
 

Don T

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I got my first 2 shots back in January and a third shot a couple of days ago - all from Pfizer.
No side effect to speak of.

I've reached the point where I'm loosing patience with people who doesn't want the vaccine.
I meet them regularly at work when they need to be taken to the hospital because of Covid19.
Typically it's people between 20 and 40 who believed that they would be ok even if they got infected with Corona.

The reason that I'm loosing patience with them is that they don't have one single argument based on facts or common sense to support their decision for not taking the vaccine. They have become a potential burden and risk to society and everyone around them. They confuse selfishness, anxiety and ignorance with personal freedom.

If you ignore all the self-proclaimed experts who have no education or background what so ever to have a qualified opinion about anything related to Corona virus, Covid19 or the vaccine, but only look at the factual evidence and listen to the true experts, there is no longer any valid argument for refusing the vaccine.
 
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