Jdandy
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Roger
Will anyone in the USA rebuild the ABS control module?
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Jdandy
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Complaint fi.ed with NHTSA
Jdandy
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Update on ABS. There are two tests you can perform on ABS pump. 1) jump black and blue wire, turn on kill switch turn key on hold in starter button 4 seconds and release while holding front and back brake. Should feel impulse front rear front. 2) (easiest) jump black and blue wire kill switch off hold down on front and back brake and turn on main switch/key impulse front back front.
Need input. Last rwo mornings here below 45 degrees. Yesterday rode bike 2 miles cycled ABS pump while riding 20-25 times then ABS light kicks on. This morning jumped wires and used method 2 to cycle 20 times, cycled perfect no issues.
It seems that when the bike warms up or the ambient temperature warms up issues begin.
All theories welcome...
Need input. Last rwo mornings here below 45 degrees. Yesterday rode bike 2 miles cycled ABS pump while riding 20-25 times then ABS light kicks on. This morning jumped wires and used method 2 to cycle 20 times, cycled perfect no issues.
It seems that when the bike warms up or the ambient temperature warms up issues begin.
All theories welcome...
but what kind of problems?….1) only the abs light comes on (code 62)….or 2) together with the abs light, the loss of the UBS is added?…… remember that the abs has a brake pressure sensor... that you could relate to "a hydraulic failure", as code 62 says
It sounds like it is working after being cycled a number of times. Is that right? If so, cycle it some more, change the fluid, and cycle if yet more.
As I said before, there's a history of corrosion being found in these and what I didn't write is that it is likely related to lack of use plus some moisture being carried by the hydraulic brake fluid. This is lack of maintenance (before you got the bike), it is not a failure that NHTSA will act on.
Once broken free, you should be good to go. IF IF IF you do open the pump, first, I'd recommend thoroughly going back here on the forum for the experiences of others. Second and since there are zero spare parts made for it, assume from the start that you will be scrapping it. Finally, there are multiple threads about what to do with the hoses to run the bike with no ABS.
To all - It's a really good idea to hit the brakes hard a few times occasionally on grass, dirt, or gravel just to cycle the pump.
And definitely change the fluid at least once a year.
Jdandy
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There is a more simple way to cycle the pump.
Put the bike on the center stand. Remove the seat, locate test lead remove the white protective cap. Jump the blue and black wire. With the igniton OFF hold the hand and foot brake levers and while holding them turn the ignition switch ON. You will feel a pulse FRONT BACK FRONT.
I would suggest several cycles to exercise the pump at regular intervals.
Put the bike on the center stand. Remove the seat, locate test lead remove the white protective cap. Jump the blue and black wire. With the igniton OFF hold the hand and foot brake levers and while holding them turn the ignition switch ON. You will feel a pulse FRONT BACK FRONT.
I would suggest several cycles to exercise the pump at regular intervals.
Jdandy
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I have completely flushed the system twice. We have bled the system 6 times. If I am spared and the system has resumed normal function I will flush the system annually. If this turns out to be temporary, I plan on removing the ABS unit, separating the pump from the ECM and thoroughly cleaning the valve body and valves.
I will photograph each step and share if this becomes necessary. A typical mechanical commonsense thought process should be as follows.
1. Sensors and sensor rings clean.
2. Normal wear on brake pads.
3. No wear issues with wheel bearings etc.
4. Are the wheel sensors communicating with the ECM?
5. Is the ECM triggering a normal response from the valves(each an electric
solenoid switch) this communication is confirmed by a FRONT BACK FRONT
pulse when the pump is cycled.
6. If the sensors are sending information and the ECM is responding and there are
still issues I believe there could be options other than "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"
I understand that a dealership is in business to generate revenue, this job alone
would generate about 1200.00 profit in parts and 400 - 500 labor. It is up to us to maintain our bikes and use a commonsense mechanical approach to solving these and other issues. Rider collaboration is essential.
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Fennellg
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I am with Checkswrecks on this one. Change fluid and cycle 3 or 4 times. If not fixed decide on a new or used replacement. I have never seen on successful rebuilt, They usually give up and bypass the pump or replace the part. My bmw friend obtained a used one on EBay. Problem resolved. His bike has 140k.
Jdandy
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You are right on the money with this observation.
I think, not having read, that you "tested" the abs in gravel...if the abs fulfills the anti-lock function...front and back...why disassemble it?...if code 62 is a hydraulic problem...no it necessarily has to be "hydraulic brake pressure"... maybe a pin that doesn't make good contact...the abs loses the signal... and shows the fault...
Jdandy
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That could very well be. After cycling 20 times this morning took it on a test run used brakes as normal without ABS on hardball hit dirt and cycled 3 or 4 times and ABS light pops on. Came home jumped blue and black and rear only cycled then would not cycle at all. I am sure betting this is a dirty or corroded connection in the coupler or a stuck or dirty valve.
Disassemble, clean ,male and female coupler connections. Disassemble pump and clean valve body and valves. Nothing to loose at this point.
Jdandy
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How to Disassemble ABS Unit
FYI.....
scott123007
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Remember to document all the hours you have fiddle fucking around with this so you can get an idea why a dealer would just replace the unit.
Jdandy
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....hmmm " fiddle fucking" you cannot get much further south than I am without getting your feet wet...never heard that one. California ?
Yes, "in case you are are a franchisee monitoring this site my "fiddle fucking" is free...benefit of retirement with no dogwhistles to answer.
I stand corrected ....right coast Florida not California your euphemism is acceptable.
Yes, "in case you are are a franchisee monitoring this site my "fiddle fucking" is free...benefit of retirement with no dogwhistles to answer.
I stand corrected ....right coast Florida not California your euphemism is acceptable.
RCinNC
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At some point in the past, I recall copying some info from this site about how to bypass the ABS module. I wasn't having any issues (and still aren't having any) but it seemed like pretty useful info to keep in my service manual just in case. Trouble is that all I have left of the info I copied are two photos:
I'm almost certain that the info I got came from a post by a member on this forum, but none of my searches for things like "bypass the ABS" in both the search function on this forum and on Google itself are turning up any threads regarding how to bypass the ABS on a Super Tenere. I tried a Google image search of the photos, also with no success. The photo of the bike sure doesn't appear to be an S10, but I doubt I would have been on any other motorcycle forums looking for how to do this. I'm sure I just encountered the post on here while perusing the site, and decided to keep it for future reference.
Do these photos jog anyone's memory of a member who posted a thread about this? My bike has close to 100,000 miles, and if the ABS went I really doubt I'd go to the expense of replacing the module, so a bypass method would be a nice thing to have at my fingertips.
I'm almost certain that the info I got came from a post by a member on this forum, but none of my searches for things like "bypass the ABS" in both the search function on this forum and on Google itself are turning up any threads regarding how to bypass the ABS on a Super Tenere. I tried a Google image search of the photos, also with no success. The photo of the bike sure doesn't appear to be an S10, but I doubt I would have been on any other motorcycle forums looking for how to do this. I'm sure I just encountered the post on here while perusing the site, and decided to keep it for future reference.
Do these photos jog anyone's memory of a member who posted a thread about this? My bike has close to 100,000 miles, and if the ABS went I really doubt I'd go to the expense of replacing the module, so a bypass method would be a nice thing to have at my fingertips.
If the Tenere ABS block looks like that on the inside, you may get lucky and find a shorted FET that can be replaced, but that control board is potted and isn't serviceable.How to Disassemble ABS Unit
www.full-repair.com
To the noobs on this bike -
The ABS unit is in a well and the bottom drain holes can get plugged, leaving the well to fill with water.
Periodically make sure to check the drain holes are clear.
The ABS unit is in a well and the bottom drain holes can get plugged, leaving the well to fill with water.
Periodically make sure to check the drain holes are clear.
thughes317
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I'm starting to worry that a "franchisee" may have inflicted some type of childhood trauma on Jdandy. Are you OK man?
(just poking some fun.......)
(just poking some fun.......)
Cantab
Well-Known Member
At some point in the past, I recall copying some info from this site about how to bypass the ABS module. I wasn't having any issues (and still aren't having any) but it seemed like pretty useful info to keep in my service manual just in case. Trouble is that all I have left of the info I copied are two photos:
I'm almost certain that the info I got came from a post by a member on this forum, but none of my searches for things like "bypass the ABS" in both the search function on this forum and on Google itself are turning up any threads regarding how to bypass the ABS on a Super Tenere. I tried a Google image search of the photos, also with no success. The photo of the bike sure doesn't appear to be an S10, but I doubt I would have been on any other motorcycle forums looking for how to do this. I'm sure I just encountered the post on here while perusing the site, and decided to keep it for future reference.
Do these photos jog anyone's memory of a member who posted a thread about this? My bike has close to 100,000 miles, and if the ABS went I really doubt I'd go to the expense of replacing the module, so a bypass method would be a nice thing to have at my fingertips.
ABS unit bypass pipe details
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