Who will be changing there chain tensioner to the 14' during valve adjustment ?

[roy]

Not overblown one bit the brand new FZ 09s suffer from a poorly designed CCT. And that's right out of the crate not 52k miles down the road. Bet the new FJ 09s suffer from this to. Yamaha is turning a blind eye to this and it's just unacceptable.

If it were easier access I might consider a manual tensioner. This things already enough headache to work on as it is. I've been lucky mines not gave me any trouble outside this. But considering the options I'd much rather deal with a bunch of small stuff than a blown engine just because I went to crank it. :'(

 

[roy]

This is a over blown subject . A lot of brands have this so called problem . Just change the dam thing and ride on .

You sleep easy tonight as I plan to do just that. :

 

[Ramseybella]

Not overblown one bit the brand new FZ 09s suffer from a poorly designed CCT. And that's right out of the crate not 52k miles down the road. Bet the new FJ 09s suffer from this to. Yamaha is turning a blind eye to this and it's just unacceptable.

If it were easier access I might consider a manual Tensioner. This things already enough headache to work on as it is. I've been lucky mines not gave me any trouble outside this. But considering the options I'd much rather deal with a bunch of small stuff than a blown engine just because I went to crank it. :'(

"If it were easier access I might consider a manual Tensioner. This things already enough headache to work on as it is".
Actually Roy it is not in a bad place to work on, I can see mine right behind the frame.
I will try to get a photo and post it for you.

This is the one I have>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/380702163492

 

[dcstrom]

Roy, as Eric mentioned, every bike that has had the cam chain jump the sprocket has been a high mileage workhorse (not a garage queen like yours ) - you need to at least double your mileage before you start to worry about it. Get the new version installed now for quiet start-up and peace of mind, or don't, and just get it changed at the next valve check. Either way, nothing to worry about.

Out of warranty Fred but a low mileage 2012 at 29k (one of the first here in 2011)

 

[roy]

Roy, as Eric mentioned, every bike that has had the cam chain jump the sprocket has been a high mileage workhorse (not a garage queen like yours ) - you need to at least double your mileage before you start to worry about it. Get the new version installed now for quiet start-up and peace of mind, or don't, and just get it changed at the next valve check. Either way, nothing to worry about.

It wasn't always a garage queen, I rode the piss out of it for a year then went back road racing with WERA and just do not have the time anymore to go ride the Tenere much. I still have not received my parts from Stadium Yamaha but it has only been a week plus 2 days since I ordered. My dealer could not or would not match their good pricing. I am having the dealer mechanic do the install however and I have already lined that up with him. So I got the next 4 days off work and my race season is over so you just encouraged me to go ride the thing and so I will. Thanks ::008:: I might roll over 30k finally ;D

 

[simmons1]

It wasn't always a garage queen, I rode the piss out of it for a year then went back road racing with WERA and just do not have the time anymore to go ride the Tenere much. I still have not received my parts from Stadium Yamaha but it has only been a week plus 2 days since I ordered. My dealer could not or would not match their good pricing. I am having the dealer mechanic do the install however and I have already lined that up with him. So I got the next 4 days off work and my race season is over so you just encouraged me to go ride the thing and so I will. Thanks ::008:: I might roll over 30k finally ;D

I think it took about 3 weeks for me to get my parts from Stadium. Other than an order acknowledgment and UPS shipping notification there was no contact with them. I installed the new CCT, clutch basket and Barnett Pressure plate in a couple hours in my garage. It was pretty straight forward. I going to wait a while more for a valve adjustment even though I am slightly overdue for one.

 

[Mzee]

I said somewhere that perhaps dealers make a part fail to make money. How can a part continously fail. Why don't they fix the problem permanently?

 

[msch]

Hello Tabasco.

When I start the motor a new metallic noise appeared. It has happened the last 3 times. It is more intensive in the range of 1800 to 2200 RPM. The noise disappears when the motor warms at 175 F (80 Celsius).

As General Information, mi bike is a XTZ 1200 Supertenere year 2013, 19,000 miles. I have not regulated the valves. Only maintenance done by me is oil changes, oil filter, air filter, at correct intervals, with LiquyMoly 20-50 Sinthetic oil. I live in Chile and I do not trust in Yamaha dealers (mechanics not properly trained).

Reading other replies of this topic, seems that could be the chain tensioner. In your opinion, it is serious problem the noise I hear? If I do not change the chain tensioner, could cause a damage the motor?

Your help will be appreciated.

 

[roy]

Still nothing from Stadium Yamaha approaching 3 weeks now. The rattle has become so loud now on cold starts I'm scared to continue riding it. Not sure what Stadiums holdup is these items are shown to be in stock at every Yamaha warehouse stateside.


Edit update: Spoke with Stadium seems the two bolts are the hold up supposedly they are there but they can't find them. Awaiting a call back. Problem solved, seems a mechanic pulled a part which were my bolts. He had not used them yet so my order ships today. If I had not called and put a trace on this is be waiting another few days for bolts to come in to complete my order. All it takes is one person to do something not by the book and bam the whole system breaks down. Mechanic was not suppose to go pulling his own parts. Parts ship today to me so hopefully I'll have this installed by mid next week.

 

[~TABASCO~]

Hello Tabasco.

When I start the motor a new metallic noise appeared. It has happened the last 3 times. It is more intensive in the range of 1800 to 2200 RPM. The noise disappears when the motor warms at 175 F (80 Celsius).

As General Information, mi bike is a XTZ 1200 Supertenere year 2013, 19,000 miles. I have not regulated the valves. Only maintenance done by me is oil changes, oil filter, air filter, at correct intervals, with LiquyMoly 20-50 Sinthetic oil. I live in Chile and I do not trust in Yamaha dealers (mechanics not properly trained).

Reading other replies of this topic, seems that could be the chain tensioner. In your opinion, it is serious problem the noise I hear? If I do not change the chain tensioner, could cause a damage the motor?

Your help will be appreciated.

There is a ton of info here on the forum about the topic. IMOP I would suggest that you change out for the 2014 CCT & the clutch basket. If the issue persist than take it to your dealer. This motor is very strong with VERY few issues. If you happen to have an issue Yamaha probably needs to take a look... I don't read every thread & post. If I can help in any way PM me for quicker response.. ::025::

 

[Checkswrecks]

Still nothing from Stadium Yamaha approaching 3 weeks now. The rattle has become so loud now on cold starts I'm scared to continue riding it. Not sure what Stadiums holdup is these items are shown to be in stock at every Yamaha warehouse stateside.

Probably won't use them anymore in the near future. I should have just paid my local dealer the $212 and had the parts in two days tops. Live and learn :'(

Edit update: Spoke with Stadium seems the two bolts are the hold up supposedly they are there but they can't find them. Awaiting a call back.

a) Just have them send you the part and re-use the bolts.


b) You ought to make somebody a new owner of a used Tenere and buy another Suzie.
You've always been down on Yamaha and written about how much better experience you felt you had with Suzuki.

 

[roy]

a) Just have them send you the part and re-use the bolts.


b) You ought to make somebody a new owner of a used Tenere and buy another Suzie.
You've always been down on Yamaha and written about how much better experience you felt you had with Suzuki.

Let's get one thing straight, Yamaha has had all the chances in the world to show me they are a good company. Every time they have failed. They suck as a company and their product is no better than 90% of the stuff out there. I don't have to go buy a Suzuki I own 3 right now and one is a full blown racebike that gets hammered no less that 10 weekends a year on a racetrack racing at the expert level not damn trackdays. Is it reliable, hell yes it is!! I have been treated as a customer should be treated by Suzuki through out the years, can't say that about Yamaha. They love to blame the customer first. I won't go to much into the fact they have FZ09s lined up with issues at the dealership I use. All with ECU issues and cam chain tensioner issues. I'm fixing this Tenere and will continue to ride it but the day will come and its gone. Not so much a dislike of the bike as I like the bike just do not like Yamaha. Let that be clear and I don't need 10 more fan boys coming here telling me this and that, open your ears I don't like Yamaha the company. They are snakes PERIOD end quote.

 

[Koinz]

Let's get one thing straight, Yamaha has had all the chances in the world to show me they are a good company. Every time they have failed. They suck as a company and their product is no better than 90% of the stuff out there. I don't have to go buy a Suzuki I own 3 right now and one is a full blown racebike that gets hammered no less that 10 weekends a year on a racetrack racing at the expert level not damn trackdays. Is it reliable, hell yes it is!! I have been treated as a customer should be treated by Suzuki through out the years, can't say that about Yamaha. They love to blame the customer first. I won't go to much into the fact they have FZ09s lined up with issues at the dealership I use. All with ECU issues and cam chain tensioner issues. I'm fixing this Tenere and will continue to ride it but the day will come and its gone. Not so much a dislike of the bike as I like the bike just do not like Yamaha. Let that be clear and I don't need 10 more fan boys coming here telling me this and that, open your ears I don't like Yamaha the company. They are snakes PERIOD end quote.

Ya, don't get all worked up, it's not healthy. It's obvious you want to have a good experience with Yamaha, but for whatever reason that's not happening. Every brand has good and bad experiences when dealing with corporate. If you can't work them out, just move on to company you feel comfortable with. Hope you enjoyed your time with the tenere, but maybe its time for a change. I'm not flaming you in any way, just saying.

 

[Old Git Ray]

I have been thinking about the chain jumping problem having read ALL (sigh) of the above.

With the problem of not knowing the position of the camshafts by just removing the clutch cover and therefore the likelihood of a cam wanting to jump some teeth.
Looking at the photo copied from CHECKWRECKS post, could it be possible to put an object into the slot in the gap circled. Sadly I cannot try this as I have just done mine as part of a full valve adjustment.

My thinking is that if the chain guide could be stopped from moving backwards before removing the old CCT then the problem of risking the chain jumping is negated. A small block of wood or plastic than can be shaved to get the right fit should do. I would not think it needs to be jammed in, just tight enough to stop the guide from moving back and loostening the chain.
It may even be possible to find a suitable socket to fit as long as it can be held in place for the 5 or so minutes it takes to change the CCT.

However, when the new tensioner needs firing, the guide needs to be loose so it can be pushed back with the big screwdriver to actuate the tensioner. During this time a friend could place a small flat screwdriver between the chain and guide where the left paint spot has been painted by CHECKWRECKS to temporarily take up the chain slack. It will probably grab the screrwdriver when the CCT is fired so there would need to be a good wedge shape on the screrwdriver blade to allow extraction.

Any thoughts ????

 

[OldRider]

I have been thinking about the chain jumping problem having read ALL (sigh) of the above.

With the problem of not knowing the position of the camshafts by just removing the clutch cover and therefore the lilelihood of a cam wanting to jump some teeth.
Looking at the photo copied from CHECKWRECKS post, could it be possible to put an object into the slot in the gap circled. Sadly I cannot try this as I have just done mine as part of a full valve adjustment.

My thinking is that if the chain guide could be stopped from moving backwards before removing the old CCT then the problem of risking the chain jumping is negated. A small block of wood or plastic than can be shaved to get the right fit should do. I would not think it needs to be jammed in, just tight enough to stop the guide from moving back and loostening the chain.
It may even be possible to find a suitable socket to fit as long as it can be held in place for the 5 or so minutes it takes to change the CCT.

However, when the new tensioner needs firing, the guide needs to be loose so it can be pushed back with the big screwdriver to actuate the tensioner. During this time a friend could place a small flat screwdriver between the chain and guide where the left paint spot has been painted by CHECKWRECKS to temporarily take up the chain slack. It will probably grab the screrwdriver when the CCT is fired so there would need to be a good wedge shape on the screrwdriver blade to allow extraction.

Any thoughts ????

Looks to me like this has to work. If the tensioner is locked into position, the cam won't be able to turn, so no jumping of the cam chain.

 

[BWC]

However, when the new tensioner needs firing, the guide needs to be loose so it can be pushed back with the big screwdriver to actuate the tensioner.

Did something similar to avoid the risk of the intake cam jumping teeth on the cam chain when I replaced the tensioner on my 12, not during a valve adjust. I took a piece of fine wire slid it behind and around both front and rear sides of the chain, tying them together near the location shown in Checkwrecks pic. This kept the chain slack on the tensioner side tight enough to stop the chain from jumping teeth on the intake cam. Then removed the tensioner for replacement
This leaves the rear damper free to be pushed back against the newly installed cam chain tensioner, and releasing it to tension the cam chain.
And the question I have is for the few that have had a tensioner fail. Did they get a chance to examine the failed unit, pics. maybe? I would like to know what exactly failed in their case as I have had both the 12 and 14 CCT apart and outside of a few minor visible differences they appear basically the same.

 

[Koinz]

I had a look at my original tensioner when i checked the valves. It doesn't seem like the oil circulates very much through it. The oil in the plunger was black, not sure if has anything to do with it. My guess is the check valve in the tensioner fails and the oil drains out. That would explain the momentary clatter before oil pressure builds up.

 

[avc8130]

Did something similar to avoid the risk of the intake cam jumping teeth on the cam chain when I replaced the tensioner on my 12, not during a valve adjust. I took a piece of fine wire slid it behind and around both front and rear sides of the chain, tying them together near the location shown in Checkwrecks pic. This kept the chain slack on the tensioner side tight enough to stop the chain from jumping teeth on the intake cam. Then removed the tensioner for replacement
This leaves the rear damper free to be pushed back against the newly installed cam chain tensioner, and releasing it to tension the cam chain.
And the question I have is for the few that have had a tensioner fail. Did they get a chance to examine the failed unit, pics. maybe? I would like to know what exactly failed in their case as I have had both the 12 and 14 CCT apart and outside of a few minor visible differences they appear basically the same.

::008::

 

[EricV]

And the question I have is for the few that have had a tensioner fail. Did they get a chance to examine the failed unit, pics. maybe? I would like to know what exactly failed in their case as I have had both the 12 and 14 CCT apart and outside of a few minor visible differences they appear basically the same.

Warranty repair, so no, I did not get to examine the old CCT, it went back to the warranty dude in Michigan along with the other damaged parts. All I can say is that it was not keeping the chain under tension on cold start ups.

I suspect the difference is relatively minor. A better anti-drain back valve, maybe a slightly larger orifice? But I'm just guessing.

 

[Ramseybella]

I didn't see much change the screw/worm gear seemed smaller on the new model ports looked the same.
I am waiting on Jason from Stadium Yamaha to get back with me on the defective CCT I got.
He is not wanting me to keep the manual one in as it will void warranty if something pops on the motor, I haven't had any issues.
He was suppose to get something together to have another installed under warranty with Bobby J's in Albuquerque.
Sure is taking a long time for somebody insisting he has wories on the manual CCT concern and a bad part they sold me.. ::010::