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Karson said:
I'm half tempted to spend some time on the fz-8 forum so we can sulk together :'(
Why no love for the FZ9? A better bike by every measure, but if you need to sulk have at it! ::021::

If you understand what Yamaha has done with the FZ9, I think you'll have a glimps at the future of Yamaha's next Adventure Tourer. ::015::

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Yea, if the next Tenere is to this Tenere what the FZ9 is to the FZ8...........well, our gloom would be for naught.

Not to be confused with wanting a 3 cylinder Tenere. Nope.
 

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Yea, if the next Tenere is to this Tenere what the FZ9 is to the FZ8...........well, our gloom would be for naught.

Not to be confused with wanting a 3 cylinder Tenere. Nope.
What wrong with a T T(triple Tenere)?

I've owned Daytona 675, and a 800XC/ABS Tiger. To know a triple is to love a triple.

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Im saddened and dismayed that yamaha would drop the tenere from their stable after a short time, especialy when this market is just getting going only a few years now, this is a big dissappointment to the adventure market. I absolutely love my tenere and think it doesnt get any better in this category for people who love to ride all over the place and seek out new adventures in far off places, this motorcycle does it all for me and i do think yamaha is the best. I cant understand what their thinking, this is their SUV.
 

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So, IF the ST is being temporarily or permanently discontinued, it is because it didn't sell (obvious). The real question of debate is why didn't it?
One reason it didn't sell is because the ADV market is relatively small (compared to cruisers, crotch rockets, etc).
BUT ... presumably Yamaha's market research obviously told them there was a significant enough ADV market to make it. The GS is Beemer's biggest selling bike of all time and was the target of Yamaha in developing the ST. So, the real question is why didn't it compete well with the GS (and the new ADV offerings by other manufacturers)?

1) The GS is very well established and has a mythos around it. Just too difficult to crack. Good marketers might disagree whether this is possible (see below)

2) The design of the ST. Although most of us are delighted with our machines, there is a negative perception involving: weight, lower power, ABS can't be turned off- so not real off road, etc. Some people have even criticized the looks (beauty is in the eye ...). Is there a slam-dunk difference that is enough for enough ADV shoppers to choose it over a Beemer? Other manufacturers have their angles. We will wait and see on the long term success of those. Did Yamaha misstep on the design a little for the majority of ADV buyers? We tout value and reliability, but maybe that isn't what this segment cares about (curiously). Maybe a large percentage of this segment is more into the ADV image (KLIM gear; SIDI boots; peaked helmets; "round the world" image) more than the actuality of how well the bike would accomplish its purpose? Nothing more than the likes of the "bandito" image of cruisers to "I am a world adventurer" - both posers in their own right. They want the ADV looks, but just stick to freeways.

3) Price. Yamaha is known for reliability and value. In the $15K and above price range, maybe anyone who can afford this looks more to the luxury ADV's of Beemer, KTM, etc. Yamaha is not really known for luxury, so aiming at this segment may be outside their "core competency". So far, the other Japanese marketers have been successful with lower bore and price offerings refraining to go after the Beemer class. My dealer has sold 12 Bolts already versus only about 3 ST's total. Factored into this could be an anti-Japanese bias.

4) Marketing misstep. Some have criticized Yamaha for not launching or marketing the ST properly. I think they did a fairly good job, but others disagree. In terms of message and placement of that message, what more could they have done? What else should they have done to position the ST better against the GS. If they were to re-launch the ST, what should they do?

5) Lack of patience. In this business climate, it takes time to build a brand. The corporate attention span isn't able to wait for the Super Tenere "brand" to set in. We, of this forum, represent the brand that Yamaha should study, aim for and build, but the clock ticks too fast in most boardrooms these days.

So, some thoughts. Again, I think the question is not why the ST didn't sell enough, because BMW is doing very well - even in the US - in this market. The question is why didn't it compete well enough. Ideas?

Sam
 

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Big Blu said:
What wrong with a T T(triple Tenere)?

I've owned Daytona 675, and a 800XC/ABS Tiger. To know a triple is to love a triple.

Regards, Paul
Nothing for the tarmac portion of the trip. But no way can I make that off-road compromise.

I might be wrong. But I just cant imagine a triple tuned to behave like this S10 does at 10mph. I realize most won't need it to. But I do.

Unless you have tractored your S10 up a rocky incline LOADED with 400+ lbs, and felt that massive but unlabored churn at about 1800 rpm's, you just wouldn't know what a gem that lump is in such extraordinary circumstances.

It might just be me. But I was the bullseye for the fellas that designed this parallel twin.
Folks don't think of P-twins as sexy. But they are unmatched, in my opinion, at what I describe.
 

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Salmon Sam said:
So, IF the ST is being temporarily or permanently discontinued, it is because it didn't sell (obvious). The real question of debate is why didn't it?
One reason it didn't sell is because the ADV market is relatively small (compared to cruisers, crotch rockets, etc).
BUT ... presumably Yamaha's market research obviously told them there was a significant enough ADV market to make it. The GS is Beemer's biggest selling bike of all time and was the target of Yamaha in developing the ST. So, the real question is why didn't it compete well with the GS (and the new ADV offerings by other manufacturers)?

1) The GS is very well established and has a mythos around it. Just too difficult to crack. Good marketers might disagree whether this is possible (see below)

2) The design of the ST. Although most of us are delighted with our machines, there is a negative perception involving: weight, lower power, ABS can't be turned off- so not real off road, etc. Some people have even criticized the looks (beauty is in the eye ...). Is there a slam-dunk difference that is enough for enough ADV shoppers to choose it over a Beemer? Other manufacturers have their angles. We will wait and see on the long term success of those. Did Yamaha misstep on the design a little for the majority of ADV buyers? We tout value and reliability, but maybe that isn't what this segment cares about (curiously). Maybe a large percentage of this segment is more into the ADV image (KLIM gear; SIDI boots; peaked helmets; "round the world" image) more than the actuality of how well the bike would accomplish its purpose? Nothing more than the likes of the "bandito" image of cruisers to "I am a world adventurer" - both posers in their own right. They want the ADV looks, but just stick to freeways.

3) Price. Yamaha is known for reliability and value. In the $15K and above price range, maybe anyone who can afford this looks more to the luxury ADV's of Beemer, KTM, etc. Yamaha is not really known for luxury, so aiming at this segment may be outside their "core competency". So far, the other Japanese marketers have been successful with lower bore and price offerings refraining to go after the Beemer class. My dealer has sold 12 Bolts already versus only about 3 ST's total. Factored into this could be an anti-Japanese bias.

4) Marketing misstep. Some have criticized Yamaha for not launching or marketing the ST properly. I think they did a fairly good job, but others disagree. In terms of message and placement of that message, what more could they have done? What else should they have done to position the ST better against the GS. If they were to re-launch the ST, what should they do?

5) Lack of patience. In this business climate, it takes time to build a brand. The corporate attention span isn't able to wait for the Super Tenere "brand" to set in. We, of this forum, represent the brand that Yamaha should study, aim for and build, but the clock ticks too fast in most boardrooms these days.

So, some thoughts. Again, I think the question is not why the ST didn't sell enough, because BMW is doing very well - even in the US - in this market. The question is why didn't it compete well enough. Ideas?

Sam
Excellent post.

Based on the bike that Yamaha chose to build, I vote #5 is the most important issue.
It is the BMW ADV buyer they went after. I believe that strongly. But that is the most difficult buyer to get, it appears. (For many of the reasons you state)

Keep building them in numbers that can sell. And keep patiently tweaking them.

It appears that might not be something they are willing to do.
 

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snakebitten said:
Excellent post.

Based on the bike that Yamaha chose to build, I vote #5 is the most important issue.
It is the BMW ADV buyer they went after. I believe that strongly. But that is the most difficult buyer to get, it appears. (For many of the reasons you state)

Keep building them in numbers that can sell. And keep patiently tweaking them.

It appears that might not be something they are willing to do.
Yamaha could've used the Colorado rally to reinforce the RTW image, plus shown it as a bike with cult-like, but growing following. Of course, they probably didn't know about it, nor would they care if the plan is to discontinue the bike in our market.

If it ends, it's a real shame - such a great motorcycle.
 

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Yamaha needs to advertise them. I was going to buy a BMW untill a friend told me about the S10. I had not even considered buying a Yami. I couldn't tell you which is better, but I do like my S10 for now.
 

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Bob. How did you not hear about the ST? It was in all the magazines - multiple times. I was in the market for a GS as well, but when I heard Yamaha was coming out in Europe with a competitor and then it was being brought to the US, I waited. First saw it in MCN. I have always had stellar luck and fun with Yamaha so am particularly predisposed to that manufacturer. I really like the GS and there are pros and cons to both bikes, but the ST and the initial mostly positive reviews (some even could be considered "rave") made it a slam dunk.
Where could have Yamaha advertised better to get your attention? They obviously needed to stick with bike and ADV-related areas to make the most bang for their advertising buck.
 

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If my Tenere turns into a Transalp I guess I better start washing it more than once a year. 10 years from now it will be collectors item in the US.
 

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There is only one reason the ST can't compete with BMW. It just doesn't look right sitting in a Starbucks parking lot. ::021::
 

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Simmons1 that was my first thought." I'm gonna own a Transalp" not necessarily a bad thing. I love this bike comfortable,powerful,agile, stout,reliable. Interstate to dirt mountain passes I love it. If a bike like this comes along once every ten years at my age I won't have to buy many. I'll be content
 

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I won't believe they are dropping the Supa10 until MamaYamaha sez so.

With that - even if they skip 2014 - that gives them all the more incentive to plug the triple mill

in the frame and "reconstitute" the mighty Supa10 with some added horses and all the cool amenities others have...

(*switchable ABS to off -- better fueling -- better seating -- Cruise -- etc etc etc ad nauseum*)

Sit back and wonder boyz...and let it come to you.

Stop with the wringing of hands.
 

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Reveille said:
So the real question is, are we having a 2014 S10 Rally? ::017::

2014 rally: Sure... That's the plan... I touched base with a Yamaha friend today. He pulled up there 2014 order form on the computer that he orders bikes over the next six month... It does show the "2013" Super Tenere available for order in the fiscal 2014... He will be placing a few phone calls to Cyprus to confirm what the official 2014 order sheet on the computer says.

I'm wondering or guessing, that Yamaha can now see how many they have sold, when, where, what month, Etc... They might have enough 2013's in the warehouse to cover much of 2014 ? Until they pull an early 2015 model... Just guessing.... I was also told there is "another Tenere on the way".... I asked if it was the 660, they didn't say, or know........
 

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I also agree their going to upgrade the tenere for 2015, they probably have to many left over 2013.
 

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simmons1 said:
If my Tenere turns into a Transalp I guess I better start washing it more than once a year. 10 years from now it will be collectors item in the US.
Yep, and Dallara will want it to replace his when it get run over by a truck! ::025::

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Salmon Sam said:
Bob. How did you not hear about the ST? It was in all the magazines - multiple times. I was in the market for a GS as well, but when I heard Yamaha was coming out in Europe with a competitor and then it was being brought to the US, I waited. First saw it in MCN. I have always had stellar luck and fun with Yamaha so am particularly predisposed to that manufacturer. I really like the GS and there are pros and cons to both bikes, but the ST and the initial mostly positive reviews (some even could be considered "rave") made it a slam dunk.
Where could have Yamaha advertised better to get your attention? They obviously needed to stick with bike and ADV-related areas to make the most bang for their advertising buck.
I guess I don't read magazines...I never heard of it or just didn't pay attention. I off road a lot hear in AZ, UT, NV, CO, and even CA...but I am doing it with a 4x4 quad and a sandrail. I got interested in dual sport while riding my Harley and now my Goldwing past cool looking dirt roads. Started talking to friends and there was a bigger interest than I thought. I have only been on a few off road rides with this thing and my wing is getting pissed. I just think there should be some advertising on the telly...if there is, then I have missed it.

I know that Yamaha and Polaris advertise the heck on TV for theirs quads and side by sides...those machines are very popular. I have 2 other friends looking for used S10's and we are taking a month off next summer to ride up and around Alaska and ferry back down to WA and ride the coast south.
 
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