Traction control off !

[JackBurns40]

What???!!! That's nuts, who would buy a bike over 350kg without traction and abs? In Europe all fitted with ABS, and they are looking to make it (ABS) mandatory within the next 2-3 years on all bikes over 33hp.

well, obviously not me.

 

[iClint]

I have noticed that TCS2 and Off on my 2014 seem to change the throttle mapping a little – there is less engine braking and it's easier to change gear smoothly. The revs don't seem to drop as rapidly when you pull in the clutch, which suggests that it may also change the clutch switch map (if there is such a thing!). Has anyone else noticed the same thing?

Its your imagination, none of the effects your are perceiving are related to TC.

unless that orange light comes on the TC is having zero effect on any function of your bikes performance.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

I remind you that smooth is fast. O Funny how the riders that use a lot of big throttle movements also use up brake pads faster than those that don't. Think about that.

Or just learn to use engine braking and little need to ever touch those brakes in the twisties.

I'm definitely a big throttle movement guy, don't really care about how fast I am or not, I only care about getting my next fix of adrenaline. I'm a junkie, it's what I do. ::26::

 

[True Grip]

Or just learn to use engine braking and little need to ever touch those brakes in the twisties.

I'm definitely a big throttle movement guy, don't really care about how fast I am or not, I only care about getting my next fix of adrenaline. I'm a junkie, it's what I do. ::26::

If you wasn't Dirt Dad we would call you Rooster

 

[EricV]

I only care about getting my next fix of adrenaline. I'm a junkie, it's what I do. ::26::

Thank you for admitting your problem. Now, about that 12 step program... I think you're doing it wrong.

Off topic; It's great to have fun, but adrenaline is when you're not in control. So why do you need to be out of control to have fun? Not poking fun, serious question. If you knew you were in control, you wouldn't get that shot of adrenaline. What pushes you to find the edge of that and get your fix?

 

[iClint]

Thank you for admitting your problem. Now, about that 12 step program... I think you're doing it wrong.

Off topic; It's great to have fun, but adrenaline is when you're not in control. So why do you need to be out of control to have fun? Not poking fun, serious question. If you knew you were in control, you wouldn't get that shot of adrenaline. What pushes you to find the edge of that and get your fix?

Adrenaline has nothing to do with being out of control, its the bodies natural response when placed in danger.

For some it triggers anxiety and or fear, the flight response. In others it triggers the fight response which comes with heightened awareness and a burst of energy.

Going back to being in danger... again this doesn't mean losing control, the body subconsciously detects danger, for example leaning more than 20 degrees is enough to tell the body its falling combine that with sudden acceleration and the body starts producing the hormone. how individualsl react is the difference.

If this surge of adrenaline triggers fear yeah you will probably lose control, if it produces the fight response and you can overcome and control the bodies natural sure rival reactions you experience the "rush".

 

[True Grip]

Yep its about the "rush". The good endorphines, I've ridden with DD once and he is definitely in control 8) I'm getting my fix on my Beta in the woods and its a blast ::26::

 

[EricV]

Thanks for the detailed explanation iClint. I hadn't thought of it in that way.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Yep its about the "rush". The good endorphines, I've ridden with DD once and he is definitely in control 8)

Yeah, I feel most secure and in control with the back end sliding out in a power slide. I can't explain why that is such a more comfortable feeling to me, it just is.

I make it a point to not ride out of control. It's the fact that I'm in command and feel that rush of acceleration, that front wheel lifting off the ground just a little, or that sensation of rapidly switching from side to side in a good twisty, it all gives me a rush. Be it true adrenaline, or just a love of movement I can't get anywhere else, I crave it. Technical proficiency with a smooth throttle may be faster, but ultimately speed is not my goal.

 

[FirstPath]

TC1 saved my butt yesterday morning. Wet tires going to dry pavement on a left hand turn with strong throttle.


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[Philistine]

Yeah, I feel most secure and in control with the back end sliding out in a power slide. I can't explain why that is such a more comfortable feeling to me, it just is.

I make it a point to not ride out of control. It's the fact that I'm in command and feel that rush of acceleration, that front wheel lifting off the ground just a little, or that sensation of rapidly switching from side to side in a good twisty, it all gives me a rush. Be it true adrenaline, or just a love of movement I can't get anywhere else, I crave it. Technical proficiency with a smooth throttle may be faster, but ultimately speed is not my goal.

::008:: ::008:: ::008::

 

[JRE]

I had a good ABS test yesterday. Was riding some twisty roads in KY that I had never been on before. Was riding above the speed limit but not overly fast. Came over a rise and there was an intersection and stop sign! Usually there's a warning sign for blind stops but none here. I was probably doing 45mph and had to stop very quickly. Squeezed the brakes hard and the tires chirped intermittently but I stopped very fast...actually well before I needed to. ::008::

 

[Philistine]

I had a good ABS test yesterday. Was riding some twisty roads in KY that I had never been on before. Was riding above the speed limit but not overly fast. Came over a rise and there was an intersection and stop sign! Usually there's a warning sign for blind stops but none here. I was probably doing 45mph and had to stop very quickly. Squeezed the brakes hard and the tires chirped intermittently but I stopped very fast...actually well before I needed to. ::008::

Hi Joe, was just wondering why you think the ABS saved you? You know it just might have been your riding skills and concentration level or just riding within your limits that saved you. ::008::
About a year ago me and a mate were riding a nice twisty road when I went into a tight left hand turn, ::26:: all was good until I got past the apex only to find a learner driver attempting a 3 point turn in the middle of the road ??? I grabbed a handful of front brake and a boot full of rear brake, turned out the boot full of rear brake was a little too much and the rear wheel stepped out a little, I modulated the rear brake pressure a little and the rear wheel came back into line and I pulled up the bike with room to spare, now if I had the ABS switched on I properly would have thought that the ABS saved me, But it was switched off , what I think saved me was a well-mannered predictable handling motorcycle that looked after me.
On wet roads its ABS all the way, you would be silly not to use it, but in the dry I don’t think a big heavy bike like the S10 needs it ::022::

As for TC I'm with Dirt Dad there is no better feeling than feeding on enough throttle to get this big girl stepping out around a fast flowing dirt corner ;D
I think the majority of people on this forum like ABS and TC it seems to make them feel safer on the road so that’s a good thing, for me? Well I think it’s a good thing too, I just want to be able to switch it off and it stay off, is that really too much to ask for :question:

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Unless you are trying to deliberately drift the bike I can't see how having it on/off on pavement could make any difference TC1 still allows significant slip.

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On the pavement the S10 can still be powered or clutched up. I've never seen the TC light come on launching from a stop other than in the wet.

I saw this forgotten video tonight and it reminded me of your comment. You can see in the first 12 seconds the light blinking away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY0yI3qY1ns

That would have been in TCS2. Seeing that light blinking away in the video is what got me to turn off TCS. I'm not looking for it when riding so I never saw it when it was happening. But the video showed me I was losing power on the pavement and was the reason I started turning it off in the twisties.

 

[EricV]

Not to beleaguer the point, but if the TCS light is flashing on pavement, you're tire is slipping/losing traction. So turning it off only allows you to spin the tire more. You're not gaining anything, just throwing money away and taking it a little closer to stepping the rear out. The point here is if the tire is slipping, TCS is engaging, the light is flashing and yes, it's cutting some power to prevent more wheel spin, BUT w/o TCS, you'd be losing power too, as it spins the wheel instead of propelling the bike. You may or may not be able to compensate for the wheel spin, but I rather doubt you're as good and as fast as the TCS, and that difference, on pavement, especially in the wet, might be important.

Off pavement, we already established this is fun for you and a desired thing. No harm, no foul. But on pavement, well, ease up on the throttle or leave the TCS on, IMHO.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

What can I say...I gotta be me. ;D