Traction control off !

[AVGeek]

Since it defaults to 1, I usually leave it there for paved roads, then either 2 or off for dirt roads.

 

[iClint]

Unless you are trying to deliberately drift the bike I can't see how having it on/off on pavement could make any difference TC1 still allows significant slip.

For me I turn it off in the dirt, only because on a steep gravely climb it's kinda scary twisting the throttle and the bike is doing the opposit and cutting power. Same thing in mud or sand.

On the pavement the S10 can still be powered or clutched up. I've never seen the TC light come on launching from a stop other than in the wet.

It would be good if the bike remembered the TC setting between starts, it catches me out off road all the time.

 

[RED CAT]

Usually only turn TC to 2 for gravel roads cause it allows me to drift out of corners without loosing it like when its totally OFF. Makes me feel good in 2 drifting just enough to make it interesting with both feet on the pegs.

 

[Philistine]

I leave it off all the time as well as the ABS Hence my poor tyre life ::26::

 

[Philistine]

Good video that shows the difference between abs on and abs off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0bxm3NaiK8

 

[JRE]

That's a good demonstration

 

[JackBurns40]

At the risk of being uncool, TC and ABS were among the reasons I bought my S10. I had a wreck on my Wee Strom that likely could have been prevented by antilock breaks, and I have had a couple of close calls in the past that could have been mitigated by TC. I don't suggest that others need to follow my lead, but I like the electronics I have. I do agree that it would be nice if the bike would retain TC settings the ways it does throttle maps.

 

[Maxified]

I leave it off all the time as well as the ABS Hence my poor tyre life ::26::

::008:: Good on ya!

 

[squarebore]

Good video that shows the difference between abs on and abs on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0bxm3NaiK8

Not very scientific. Sample of one. Haha. Do your own tests. Every test I have done, I pull up quicker with ABS on.

 

[Philistine]

Not very scientific. Sample of one. Haha. Do your own tests. Every test I have done, I pull up quicker with ABS on.

I think the results would vary a lot depending on the surface type you were testing on

 

[Checkswrecks]

Ryan Dudeck has been a pro rider and did an ABS on versus off article for Cycle World in March 2014. He did do multiple passes and the ABS came to a stop faster. Think you're better than Ryan Dudeck when he is aware that a test is being done?


http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/17/off-road-braking-test-pro-level-off-road-racer-against-ktm-abs/


I'll do a max braking stop now & then just for practice and to cycle the system to make sure it keeps working when I do need it. But for me on real streets with real traffic, I know that I can't outbreak either Dudeck or the ABS. I'll leave it on.

 

[SilverBullet]

Ryan Dudeck has been a pro rider and did an ABS on versus off article for Cycle World in March 2014. He did do multiple passes and the ABS came to a stop faster...

And his ABS off results were not even close. I remember one ABS off run was ballpark close but the others not so an outlier that needed to be discounted. All the ABS runs were consistant.

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[JackBurns40]

Nothing like a good high side to convince a person of the value of ABS. But again, I feel no need to convince anyone else. I thought long and hard about buying a Honda F6B this time around. Lack of available ABS was among the reasons I didn't pull the trigger. (Still have "lust in my heart" for that bike, though.) That, and a really attractive deal on the S10 that had everything I wanted.

 

[pooh and xtine]

I have noticed that TCS2 and Off on my 2014 seem to change the throttle mapping a little – there is less engine braking and it's easier to change gear smoothly. The revs don't seem to drop as rapidly when you pull in the clutch, which suggests that it may also change the clutch switch map (if there is such a thing!). Has anyone else noticed the same thing?

 

[Philistine]

Ryan Dudeck has been a pro rider and did an ABS on versus off article for Cycle World in March 2014. He did do multiple passes and the ABS came to a stop faster. Think you're better than Ryan Dudeck when he is aware that a test is being done?


http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/01/17/off-road-braking-test-pro-level-off-road-racer-against-ktm-abs/


I'll do a max braking stop now & then just for practice and to cycle the system to make sure it keeps working when I do need it. But for me on real streets with real traffic, I know that I can't outbreak either Dudeck or the ABS. I'll leave it on.

I think people take this ABS TC on off thing the wrong way sometimes :-\, its not about being better than the electronics, its about being in full control of the bike, I'm always going from sealed road to gravel to hills to creek crossings and back to Tar, sometimes I want to spin the back wheel and sometimes I want to lock it up, I don't know when I am going to do this until I do it, so for me I need it turned off all the time, this way I am telling the bike what to do, not the other way around, that lets me ride it more like a dirt bike. ::26::
I have been riding this bike like that for 2 1/2 years now and have become quite use to how it behaves and what it dose in different situations, and I can say the S10 is a very well mannered and predictable bike to ride even with all the aids switched off ::022::

 

[Dogdaze]

Nothing like a good high side to convince a person of the value of ABS. But again, I feel no need to convince anyone else. I thought long and hard about buying a Honda F6B this time around. Lack of available ABS was among the reasons I didn't pull the trigger. (Still have "lust in my heart" for that bike, though.) That, and a really attractive deal on the S10 that had everything I wanted.

Not want to detract, but are you sure the F6B does not have ABS, as far as I know it has ABS and DCBS............... ::017::

 

[vapexpr]

I have noticed that TCS2 and Off on my 2014 seem to change the throttle mapping a little – there is less engine braking and it's easier to change gear smoothly. The revs don't seem to drop as rapidly when you pull in the clutch, which suggests that it may also change the clutch switch map (if there is such a thing!). Has anyone else noticed the same thing?

I have noticed a definite engine braking difference in TCS2 as in less off it. I have a road by my house that has "zero gravity" effect hill that is great for wheelies over the top. TSC1 makes this nearly impossible and TCS2 let's you have a little fun before it cuts the power. Off road it must be off for wheelies and jumps or it is tough to ride.

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[EricV]

Some interesting replies. At least some of you are honest about the effects of your throttle use. I have a '12 and leave TCS on except for off pavement. I've tried it off on pavement too, but don't notice any difference because I am a steady throttle rider. For riders that use a lot of throttle back and forth as their normal riding style, they will notice differences with the TCS off or on. For those that are steady throttle riders, no impact.

As far as wanting 'total control' of the bike, well that's an interesting statement. You are locking wheels, sliding tires, lifting the front end, etc. I'll not argue that you're doing what you want the bike to do, thus in control of your actions, but that's also doing what one person honestly noted was diminishing tire, (tyre), life. It could be said that if you notice a difference on pavement with TCS off, your throttle control is poor or you are deliberately over using the throttle to get certain effects you desire.

I only think about TCS when I'm off pavement and it annoys me when I forget to re-set it to 2 or off after a stop. Like others, I do wish they would have left it so it defaulted to where ever you set it last, not going back to 1, but the lawyers needed that feature to avoid potential lawsuits, I suppose. Mostly from people with poor throttle control that whack the throttle all the time and would dump the bike when they did so on wet pavement after previously turning TCS off on the last dirt ride.

I remind you that smooth is fast. O Funny how the riders that use a lot of big throttle movements also use up brake pads faster than those that don't. Think about that. If you weren't over cooking that corner, you wouldn't be braking. If you shift smoother with TCS off, maybe you need to practice more with TCS on to improve your skills.

In the end, do what makes you happy. ::001::

 

[JackBurns40]

Not want to detract, but are you sure the F6B does not have ABS, as far as I know it has ABS and DCBS............... ::017::

In some countries I'm sure Honda did include ABS, but not in the United States.

 

[Dogdaze]

In some countries I'm sure Honda did include ABS, but not in the United States.

What???!!! That's nuts, who would buy a bike over 350kg without traction and abs? In Europe all fitted with ABS, and they are looking to make it (ABS) mandatory within the next 2-3 years on all bikes over 33hp.