You can sometimes get them in other colors:snakebitten said:
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DISCLAIMER: this isn't my trailer, just one I saw when looking at CL.
Toy Hauler
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DISCLAIMER: this isn't my trailer, just one I saw when looking at CL.
Yea, there really ARE many many many different kinds of buildings-on-wheels. You wouldn't believe some of the stuff you come across as you camp\glamp across this amazing continent.
But I was messing with BigBob.
Actually, the 17RP does come in 2 different models, but it isn't color choices, but instead is material choices.
Here it is in aluminum siding.......
http://www.aokrvs.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=3227791&p=1&vc=toy%20hauler&s=Date%20Added&d=A&t=new&fr=xNewInventory
Here it is in fiberglass. (looks more modern, but in fact is misleading since 90% of the time fiberglass\gel coat siding means the RV uses an aluminum frame instead of wood. Lighter and considered longer lasting. But the 17RP is the cheaper wood framed RV regardless of the siding)
http://www.aokrvs.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=3282004&p=1&vc=toy%20hauler&s=Date%20Added&d=A&t=new&fr=xNewInventory
I chose the gel coat model simply because Forest River also appears to better equip the 17RP that they ship with the upgraded "look". In fact, if it is the 17RP "limited", it already has every option available. Like stainless appliances and aluminum wheels, 75 mph tires, ............
But I was messing with BigBob.
Actually, the 17RP does come in 2 different models, but it isn't color choices, but instead is material choices.
Here it is in aluminum siding.......
http://www.aokrvs.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=3227791&p=1&vc=toy%20hauler&s=Date%20Added&d=A&t=new&fr=xNewInventory
Here it is in fiberglass. (looks more modern, but in fact is misleading since 90% of the time fiberglass\gel coat siding means the RV uses an aluminum frame instead of wood. Lighter and considered longer lasting. But the 17RP is the cheaper wood framed RV regardless of the siding)
http://www.aokrvs.com/default.asp?page=xNewInventoryDetail&id=3282004&p=1&vc=toy%20hauler&s=Date%20Added&d=A&t=new&fr=xNewInventory
I chose the gel coat model simply because Forest River also appears to better equip the 17RP that they ship with the upgraded "look". In fact, if it is the 17RP "limited", it already has every option available. Like stainless appliances and aluminum wheels, 75 mph tires, ............
I've had both aluminum siding and gel coat, and I hope the gel coat has gotten better (mine was a 2003 motorhome) as it seems to deteriorate faster in the sun, and seems harder to maintain.snakebitten said:
Defekticon
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It depends. This new rig I have from Cherokee is not the standard fiberglass gelcoat glued to luan plywood. It's some sort of PVC plastic material. My older 2008 Forest River Surveyor had problems with some deterioration of the gel coat. This stuff doesn't seem to have that problem, the trade off is that it looks "wavy" when you catch it in the sunlight the right way. The only exception is the rear door and the cargo hatch doors. Which will need to be replaced at some point, as they don't seem particularly sturdy.AVGeek said:
I keep the rig in covered storage (pole barn with bird netting) it's not cheap, but it keeps the tires from dry rotting, keeps the roof new, keeps the vinyl stickers from peeling (Huge effect on resale value for some reason) and I won't have to wash it when it comes out in the spring. Once we move to FL in June I plan on building my own pole barn or metal structure to keep it out of the FL sun.
If you are building an actual POLE barn, something to consider are some cross beams to hang a trailer from. Realizing that neither of my trailers weighs more than 400#, I have them suspended beneath my elevated deck. Totally eliminated any rubber rot, flat spot tires, weather effects, or insect issues. I lift the trailer tongue and each rear corner. (3 points)
Thank you sir. Boltiton Looks good to me but a couple questions.
How wide is your bar? And how far apart are the d-rings in the Pup?
And finally which chock do you use for the Tenere? Dirt bike or sport bike? Not enough detail on the site for me to see the difference.
How wide is your bar? And how far apart are the d-rings in the Pup?
And finally which chock do you use for the Tenere? Dirt bike or sport bike? Not enough detail on the site for me to see the difference.
If you're outfitting a wolf puppy, you don't have to worry. He (Scott) has all my dimensions. I actually had him build me bars for front and rear so I can put 2 or 3 bikes in.
Just tell Scott at Boltiton that Brucey in Texas had you call.
Dirt bike chock is appropriate for our front tires.
By the way, Scott is a great guy. He builds these in his spare time. First class work.
If I get around to it, I'll do a mockup load and take pics.
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Just tell Scott at Boltiton that Brucey in Texas had you call.
Dirt bike chock is appropriate for our front tires.
By the way, Scott is a great guy. He builds these in his spare time. First class work.
If I get around to it, I'll do a mockup load and take pics.
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Went last weekend to look at this local Adrenaline Blast MPH-150 and it presented really well. No water stains, floor solid as a rock, felt nothing soft in the walls, no water stains in the hidden areas, and virtually no rust since came to our area from California.
Then I went up on the roof. Oops. Dried cracked sealant everywhere.
And more important, the black spots are mold and they weren't the surface kind that can be washed away. It's a rubber fabric roof over what is probably chipboard, meaning that the fabric has become permeable and the chipboard underneath is molding. Both are fixable but the black spots mean it's new roof time. In the aft left corner of the roof was a little torn flap in the worst place; the low spot near the corner. It's right where water will flow along the molding to go down through the hole and into the chipboard/wood structure. The area out past my hand has no black mold spots because it's hollow. There's no roof structure left touching the roof fabric to mold through it.
Don't have the time or inclination to do this one myself so talked to two RV service managers. Replacing the roof will cost $3500-$4000 PLUS wood repairs once it is opened up. Not suprised to see a 9 year old camper needing a new roof, just relating to others how much it will cost to have somebody else do the repair. The materials are fairly inexpensive and a person doing the labor on his own trailer could probably get away for less than $500. Then went and crawled around the floor to look at the bottom of the camper. Found SEVEN frame cracks, one above EACH of the spring shackles and one at the end of a suppport. Here's above one of the spring shackles:
From an engineering point of view, there's NO surprise the frame cracked where it has. Went online and found somebody else who bought the same model trailer and posted photos of cracks in the same locations.
Then I went up on the roof. Oops. Dried cracked sealant everywhere.
And more important, the black spots are mold and they weren't the surface kind that can be washed away. It's a rubber fabric roof over what is probably chipboard, meaning that the fabric has become permeable and the chipboard underneath is molding. Both are fixable but the black spots mean it's new roof time. In the aft left corner of the roof was a little torn flap in the worst place; the low spot near the corner. It's right where water will flow along the molding to go down through the hole and into the chipboard/wood structure. The area out past my hand has no black mold spots because it's hollow. There's no roof structure left touching the roof fabric to mold through it.
Don't have the time or inclination to do this one myself so talked to two RV service managers. Replacing the roof will cost $3500-$4000 PLUS wood repairs once it is opened up. Not suprised to see a 9 year old camper needing a new roof, just relating to others how much it will cost to have somebody else do the repair. The materials are fairly inexpensive and a person doing the labor on his own trailer could probably get away for less than $500. Then went and crawled around the floor to look at the bottom of the camper. Found SEVEN frame cracks, one above EACH of the spring shackles and one at the end of a suppport. Here's above one of the spring shackles:
From an engineering point of view, there's NO surprise the frame cracked where it has. Went online and found somebody else who bought the same model trailer and posted photos of cracks in the same locations.
Yep, the average RV is NOT well engineered, nor will it weather the test of time (mother nature) without substantial attention and upkeep.
I should know. RV's are my life. I have lived in them for some time now.
One major rule of thumb......A dry RV is a happy RV. It really does come down to that. Roof Roof Roof, Windows Windows Windows, plumbing plumbing......
Everything else is easy to address for a handyman.
WreckerChecker, I love ya man. You know that. But RV's will drive YOU nuts! They're just not up to your standards. Lol
I should know. RV's are my life. I have lived in them for some time now.
One major rule of thumb......A dry RV is a happy RV. It really does come down to that. Roof Roof Roof, Windows Windows Windows, plumbing plumbing......
Everything else is easy to address for a handyman.
WreckerChecker, I love ya man. You know that. But RV's will drive YOU nuts! They're just not up to your standards. Lol
Cannot wait to get mine. Des Moines bike show and swap meet this weekend. My Star group always has a booth and one member was bringing a bike.
When we got there the organizer asked our guy to put his bike in the “show” area. Since the trailer was there he asked me if we could get my indian for our booth. So we did.
Now realize in warm weather the bikes own the garage. But when it gets white out the indian gets covered in the front corner. The Tenere and snowblower share the middle. The truck just clears the door while NOT hitting the indian.
Anyway came home tonight and I could close the garage door and still fit my fat ahhh whatever between the door and truck.
So next year the Indian and the lawn tractor in front of the wife’s van will spend the winter in the toy hauler.
When we got there the organizer asked our guy to put his bike in the “show” area. Since the trailer was there he asked me if we could get my indian for our booth. So we did.
Now realize in warm weather the bikes own the garage. But when it gets white out the indian gets covered in the front corner. The Tenere and snowblower share the middle. The truck just clears the door while NOT hitting the indian.
Anyway came home tonight and I could close the garage door and still fit my fat ahhh whatever between the door and truck.
So next year the Indian and the lawn tractor in front of the wife’s van will spend the winter in the toy hauler.
Not started but on a tender since November 10th ish. At 12 degrees not sure it was going to start.BigBob said:
Took 10-12 tries.
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Due to my experience owning airplanes, I'm pretty against owning things. I think having access to a bike carrying RV would be pretty nice, but if I can't rent or lease it, I can't imagine I'd ever do it.
Defekticon
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While I'm not against owning things (it's mine, and I'm not bound by terms to do as I please with it...) As someone who is an RV owner this attitude nails it. The RV Industry is a travesty. RV's are a financial disaster. The only good news is that the loan interest counts as mortgage interest (which is hardly a reason to justify the purchase OR financing the purchase). There are quality RV manufacturers that could be count on one hand. The cost of ownership is as much as a house. That's a lifestyle choice, not a weekend hobby.Dirt_Dad said:
The rest of the RV's out there are plywood shacks on wheels bolted together by unskilled American labor and literally falling apart as they travel down the road, as Checkswrecks post pointed out. His post shows the rule, not the exception. Overweight from the factory floor, un-regulated, pulled by trucks and drivers that are not qualified or rated to legally pull them. And, somehow, the industry has effectively eluded regulation and scrutiny at a federal level. The industry is about to crash harder than Harley Davidson. You can probably pick up a cheap shack on wheels soon if you did want to become an owner at a price point that makes owning a reasonable endeavor. The ramp up to build RV's to meet the millennial demand for units has plateaued and the inventory is unsustainable. https://www.investors.com/research/ibd-industry-themes/winnebago-thor-industries-trigger-sell-signal-as-analyst-says-rv-inventories-unsustainable/
I'm not saying you shouldn't buy an RV. I'm saying you need to really really put a lot of thought into making the purchase, the total cost of ownership, and if that total cost is worth it.
Nice Rant!!!!
And I agree to a large extent. But.........you left out how awesome RVing is. Lol
I absolutely love the whole lifestyle. There's just nothing else that compares.
Keep in mind that I don't have to have consensus, which is probably the biggest obstacle for most. I'd never do this if it required ANYONE to sacrifice.
Also, since it's a solo venture, I can play at the lower-cost level. I don't need a Diesel tow vehicle nor a large floorplan.
I live in a 2017 luxury equipped RV that cost about $22k (retail was $33ish. But this industry is 30% off MSRP without hardly dickering)
Anybody got an alternative to a turnkey house for 20grand?
Also, I would be disingenuous if I didn't point out that the 10 acres of woods that I park the tinyhouse on is a huge reason for the quality of life I celebrate.
I own the dirt, but it cost a few times more than the RV.
But again, they ARE thrown together without skilled labor. But after researching and learning the ins&outs, they're relatively simple to address.
As stated earlier, take care of that roof. And if you buy a new one, climb up there and FIX what was likely done poorly.
Warning: If you LIVE in it, you'll need another one for travel. Because there's no way it'll stay light enough for the rated gross weight. Nor will it roll down the road without your stuff flying all around.
Thus the toy hauler and the teardrop. They're road ready at a moments notice. And both are shod with tires that can let me fly down the road. I'd go crazy in the RV lane watching 18 wheelers passing me.
And I agree to a large extent. But.........you left out how awesome RVing is. Lol
I absolutely love the whole lifestyle. There's just nothing else that compares.
Keep in mind that I don't have to have consensus, which is probably the biggest obstacle for most. I'd never do this if it required ANYONE to sacrifice.
Also, since it's a solo venture, I can play at the lower-cost level. I don't need a Diesel tow vehicle nor a large floorplan.
I live in a 2017 luxury equipped RV that cost about $22k (retail was $33ish. But this industry is 30% off MSRP without hardly dickering)
Anybody got an alternative to a turnkey house for 20grand?
Also, I would be disingenuous if I didn't point out that the 10 acres of woods that I park the tinyhouse on is a huge reason for the quality of life I celebrate.
I own the dirt, but it cost a few times more than the RV.
But again, they ARE thrown together without skilled labor. But after researching and learning the ins&outs, they're relatively simple to address.
As stated earlier, take care of that roof. And if you buy a new one, climb up there and FIX what was likely done poorly.
Warning: If you LIVE in it, you'll need another one for travel. Because there's no way it'll stay light enough for the rated gross weight. Nor will it roll down the road without your stuff flying all around.
Thus the toy hauler and the teardrop. They're road ready at a moments notice. And both are shod with tires that can let me fly down the road. I'd go crazy in the RV lane watching 18 wheelers passing me.
I own one. Enjoy it, and towed it about 10K miles to various places last year. I don't think this is any different from owning a boat (setting aside some quality issues), or really any "toy". Heck, I take the bike in the dirt knowing full well that it just might cost me some money due to dropping it.
I do agree that the RV industry and quality for the most part are on polar opposites, but that will not change until people stop buying them for that reason.
Mark
I do agree that the RV industry and quality for the most part are on polar opposites, but that will not change until people stop buying them for that reason.
Mark
Defekticon
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Well that part was assumed! I love RVing and we'd be full-timing now if we could get consensus with the kids. We spent just shy of 70 nights last year in our rig before September, which is pretty darn good still having kids in public school. But I do loathe the industry, the lack of standards (RVIA is a joke). I just wish there was a sense of pride in workmanship. The industry gets to say "Built in the USA" but the real context is "Built by clock watchers making minimum wage with no experience in the USA!". They should be required to come with labels that say which day of the week they were built on so you can shop around for the "Tuesday-Thursday" edition trailer ::025:: Sure the cost would go up, but when you're making a serious outlay of money in the 40-80k range, I would take a 20% price increase for a 50-60% increase in quality. If the bean counters at Forest River could understand that I think they'd move to a quality over quantity production model and still turn a profit. If the demand is so prevalent why do all RV's take a 30% cut off MSRP? Sure I know it's for buyers doing 100% financing when a bank will only do 80/20 loan to value. Maybe it's time the industry realized walking away from an RV purchase with no money down @180 months with 7% interest is bad faith for the consumer anyway.snakebitten said:
Sorry. Rant off! Promise.
You're my favorite Ranter. Don't turn it off for me.Defekticon said:
raynchk
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I've been living full time in a JayCo 161 Ultra lite for about 4 months now. It's a 2016 model and I'm pulling it with my old Dodge B1500 conversion van. It's not bad, kind of like a tiny little studio, but as everyone says, the quality on these rv's is sh*t. The furnace wants to howl and this morning the microwave/convection chimed in. The clearance lite on the left side blew off on the highway. Getting a dealer to work on these things is damn near impossible. The JayCo dealer in Amarillo told me the light blowing off is just normal wear?!
Loading and unloading is a lot easier than the back of a pickup, although I did manage to drop the S10 unloading it once. That one spot where the rear wheel is on the dirt and the front wheel is on the ramp is a long way to get a foot on the ground. But, it was the first time unloading the S10 so I chalk it up to education. I've found that NRS river straps work the best for securing the bike. 6 foot in front and 12 foot in rear, although I should cut the 12' straps down a couple of feet. The ratchet straps seem to come loose in the back, but I've never had a problem with the NRS straps.
I bought this trailer new from the JayCo dealer in Albany, NY and that was a nightmare. After telling them I wasn't going to wait until the following Tuesday to take possession they finally managed to get me out the door at closing time on Friday. I didn't notice, but the door was kinked (I think one of the lot people had it open and banged something) and it flew open on the toll way. Then my 360/5.9 liter '02 Dodge engine doesn't work real well pulling this up steep grades. I'm thinking about getting either a motorhome or trading up for a pickup and larger toy hauler. But doesn't seem to be a perfect solution and so for shits and giggles I spend a lot of time talking to people in RV parks and getting their ideas/solutions.
I think a more ideal solution would be a JayCo 222 pulled by a strong running pickup with a shell on top. Electric hitch, awning, and the fuel station. Be nice to have an extra 35 gallons of gas when down here in SW Texas. I do like the two axle, tandem setup -- I think it will go quite a bit further before the frame cracks. The 161 has absolutely zero storage space. There's a cabinet in the toilet and a drawer and a couple of cabinets in the kitchen. The van ends up being my storage shed.
All that said, with all the problems and aggravations I've had, I still think this is a great way to go. There's a wonderful feeling of independence and I'm adapting. I wish there was a higher quality solution -- but I'm not ready for the $1/2 million land yachts that I see.
Loading and unloading is a lot easier than the back of a pickup, although I did manage to drop the S10 unloading it once. That one spot where the rear wheel is on the dirt and the front wheel is on the ramp is a long way to get a foot on the ground. But, it was the first time unloading the S10 so I chalk it up to education. I've found that NRS river straps work the best for securing the bike. 6 foot in front and 12 foot in rear, although I should cut the 12' straps down a couple of feet. The ratchet straps seem to come loose in the back, but I've never had a problem with the NRS straps.
I bought this trailer new from the JayCo dealer in Albany, NY and that was a nightmare. After telling them I wasn't going to wait until the following Tuesday to take possession they finally managed to get me out the door at closing time on Friday. I didn't notice, but the door was kinked (I think one of the lot people had it open and banged something) and it flew open on the toll way. Then my 360/5.9 liter '02 Dodge engine doesn't work real well pulling this up steep grades. I'm thinking about getting either a motorhome or trading up for a pickup and larger toy hauler. But doesn't seem to be a perfect solution and so for shits and giggles I spend a lot of time talking to people in RV parks and getting their ideas/solutions.
I think a more ideal solution would be a JayCo 222 pulled by a strong running pickup with a shell on top. Electric hitch, awning, and the fuel station. Be nice to have an extra 35 gallons of gas when down here in SW Texas. I do like the two axle, tandem setup -- I think it will go quite a bit further before the frame cracks. The 161 has absolutely zero storage space. There's a cabinet in the toilet and a drawer and a couple of cabinets in the kitchen. The van ends up being my storage shed.
All that said, with all the problems and aggravations I've had, I still think this is a great way to go. There's a wonderful feeling of independence and I'm adapting. I wish there was a higher quality solution -- but I'm not ready for the $1/2 million land yachts that I see.