Rinseing the final drive out with kerosene

[autoteach]

Here you go, just so everyone can read it:

"Solvent cleaning – The use of solvents to remove organic deposits that cannot be removed by recirculation. Solvent cleaning may incorporate the use of organic (hydrocarbon-based) halogenated, nonhalogenated and blends solvents (type A-1 cleaners such as kerosene, or A-2 cleaners such as naphtha and Stoddard solvent are common) to dissolve heavily crusted or layered carbon residues.

Organic solvents tend to be blends of aliphatic and aromatic hydrocarbons and dissolve soil as opposed to emulsifying soil. These materials may be warranted if evidence of heavy carbonaceous residue exists."

Doesn't really describe the conditions in an almost new FD does it... "Deposits that cannot be removed by recirculation" "heavily crusted or layered carbon residues"

The reason why the descriptions of problems don't match a final drive is the site that this information is coming from is for industrial gearboxes, like ones that would be used on a very large static machine. If you have ever done maintenance on a lathe you would definitely understand the crusted and layers and unclean-able by recirculation.
To make a real serious point on why this is not necessary, go ahead and raise your hand if you have heard of a FD failure on a yamaha. A solid indicator for me when I don't have those stats is Ebay. When I search Yamaha FD i get over 1200 results. Bmw FD, 240. Yamaha most expensive: $700 Bmw most expensive: $1900
FJR typical cost: $250
R1200 typical cost $1000
Yamaha FD's are cheap, and plentiful. They really dont fail. Ours is basically the same unit that they are running on the Vmax, more power, more weight, still not a problem, so no reason to "extend the life" using information that would be used on industrial gearboxes.



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You and autoteach should just get a room together that way you can stir the pot and he can be the kettle )

I am not going to argue on who is stirring and who is the kettle because I, good sir, am a team player.

 

[snakebitten]

Count me in as a BIG Dallara supporter.

I'll just have to wear the scars that come with it.
Yea, he can be long winded (like me) and VERY authoritative.

But his resume is the real deal. You might not like it, but it's just the facts.

Oh, and if you really wonder why I like Allan, it's for the things he does with little or no fanfare, that nobody here could or would notice.

I dare say, few folks I have met will go more out of their way to help complete strangers. You find yourself in distress on the road, and Allan hears about it, you got a friend.

But I admit, you got to be a big boy to deal with Dallara. He's crazy.

 

[markjenn]

Yamaha most expensive: $700 Bmw most expensive: $1900
FJR typical cost: $250
R1200 typical cost $1000

You're cherry-picking data to make your point. Actual apples-apples price comparison....

New complete Yamaha S10 final drive list price : $1200
New complete R1200GS final drive list price: $1800

This is consistent with my experience with BMW parts prices vs. Japanese for comparable assemblies - BMW typically 30-50% more expensive. Definitely significant, but not the 2x or 3x difference some quote.

As for used prices, they're all over the map, and there really isn't enough of a used market in S10 final drives to know what they're worth yet. FJR's are cheap and plentiful because of a huge supply, but this may not occur with the S10 due to so much smaller production numbers. In any event, all reports are that we've got a very reliable final drive, so fortunately, it's mostly an academic discussion.

- Mark

 

[autoteach]

Mark, there is a huge supply of FJR rear drives because, and this is going to sound like shit statistics but, they just don't break. When widget A doesn't break, used widget A's aren't worth a whole lot. And for cherry picking, your data is no different then my data, you pick brand new and I picked used. I didn't pick the cheapest, I picked where the meat of the data was. The fact remains, I know plenty of people who own the widget that breaks and when they do super long trips they buy a used extra and rebuild it or a new extra and box it so there wife, friend, etc can ship it out if and when their final drive breaks. This seams to be a exercise that few yamaha owners go through.

 

[GrahamD]

Count me in as a BIG Dallara supporter.

I'll just have to wear the scars that come with it.

So I wonder what R3B/ErnsTT thinks about this? Thems were the days. ;D

 

[snakebitten]

Old times, that's for sure.

 

[Combo]

Thems were the days GrahamD.

I think too many of these from Dallara caused the disappearance of R3B/ErnsTT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCir5Wwpvos

 

[Mzee]

Count me in as a BIG Dallara supporter.

I'll just have to wear the scars that come with it.
Yea, he can be long winded (like me) and VERY authoritative.

But his resume is the real deal. You might not like it, but it's just the facts.

Oh, and if you really wonder why I like Allan, it's for the things he does with little or no fanfare, that nobody here could or would notice.

I dare say, few folks I have met will go more out of their way to help complete strangers. You find yourself in distress on the road, and Allan hears about it, you got a friend.

But I admit, you got to be a big boy to deal with Dallara. He's crazy.

Snakebitten, everything you say makes sense, but surely you are not making it sound like you folks over there would not help a complete strange as a norm. You make it sound mysterious and not common place. Do I read you right?

Come visit Africa. They will give you their food, surrender their bed, give you water to bath and see that you are comfortable. They have never seen you from Adam.

 

[snakebitten]

Snakebitten, everything you say makes sense, but surely you are not making it sound like you folks over there would not help a complete strange as a norm. You make it sound mysterious and not common place. Do I read you right?

Come visit Africa. They will give you their food, surrender their bed, give you water to bath and see that you are comfortable. They have never seen you from Adam.

I wish you were describing the average American's behavior. But I fear that attitude is now the minority. (Like so many other old school values)

But I get your point. It's a really good one.
The multitude of ride reports from all around the world reveal that there are still many cultures out there that are still blossoming with the best of our human qualities.

Thanks for reminding me. (Us)

 

[rem]

Boy, who would have thought a little old thread about kerosene would have stirred things up so much ???? ::025:: I think you should flush with gasoline, light the fumes, and burn that sucker out. ::012:: ::012:: Someone try it and let me know. But NIMBY .... not in my bike yard. OK, I'm messing with you. You boys try to get along. Don't make me have to dispatch Vinny and Guido.


I'm actually taking a little holiday with the Old Bear (my lovely wife). Be gone for a week or so, so you won't have this old dog to kick around for a while. You boys behave yourselves. Swagger, keep an eye on 'em. ::020:: R

 

[bob dirt]

I'm new to this forum...looks like it might be fun here. I went from Harleys to a Goldwing and now also have a 2012 Super Tenere. My first final drive oil change was on my Goldwing and was amazed how nasty it looked. I never even thought of using a solvent to flush out more gunk. I was taught that by using solvents on bearings and gears, you wipe of the thin coating of oil built up on them. You need this coating of oil to keep the wear down. I filled the FD back up and went of a short ride and dumped it again. I change it with every motor oil change and everything looks happy. I plan on doing the same thing with my Tenere.

 

[Karson]

I'm new to this forum...looks like it might be fun here.

Indeed it is. This is just a little flare up in our attempt at making the world a little better place

 

[snakebitten]

Welcome!

Yes, great Forum.
And great folks.
I know, because about 100 of us all got together recently (about 3 weeks ago) in Ouray Colorado.

Had so much fun I'm still in the Rockies.

As for this thread, if you are ok with this one, you'll be fine.

 

[hANNAbONE]

Don't know about your Super Tenere, Hannabone... But my S-10 came with a magnetic-tipped drain plug on the final drive.

Dallara

Yupp - mine did too - just that the Dimple magnet is about 100 times more powerful.

If someone was inclined to get every single filing out of the drive, the Dimple would be the choice.

 

[Swagger]

..... You boys behave yourselves ..... Swagger, keep an eye on 'em ....

Copy that!

 

[Swagger]

As a direct result of the data contained in this thread I'd slooooosh me FD. I checked and rechecked the paperwork and could not see that the fluids had ever been dropped and replaced. So, off to the House of Yamaha and procure me some of that there Yamalude gloop designed for the very purpose of diffs n drives. Out came the old ..... dark and rank. Drain plug adorned with a serious fuzz of metallic particles. In went the new .... where's that freakin torque wrench. Oh yeah .... wife borrowed it for her truck ... lost it Best go buy a new one then

$40 with mil discount and I own a lovely shiny box fresh Teng 3/8 torquey spannery type thing ... very nice. All buttoned up and the FD is good to go.

See what ya'll did ... made me do some work and spend money that's what :