Reality or myth?

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viewdvb said:
My life changed, road and racing, when the first CB750s arrived in 1969 and I've never looked back. I once bought a new R90S and it was a nice enough bike though the seat was hard as a board. When I took it to the dealer for a service (not a lot of miles but out of warranty), he announced that the engine shaft seal (behind the clutch) was leaking. "See, you haven't fitted the updated part to fix that problem" he accused, forgetting it was his job to advise me of updates and fixes. "What was the fix?", I asked. "A longer dipstick to reduce oil level"!!!!! So much for teutonic engineering!
Have you ever replaced a crank seal on a BMW? Anyone here? If you ever handled one of their seals you would totally understand why they fail. I have never had to "resize" an oil seal as standard procedure on any car or powersports machine besides BMW.
 

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It comes down to brand loyalty. Several of my riding buddy's ride BMW just because it's a BMW. They will defend the brand to the end. I tend to be very practical. If it spends more time getting fixed than riding it, you'll see a "for sale" sign on it pretty quick. That's not to say I don't maintain my bikes,but at some point the bike has to live up to its purpose.

.50 cents a mile is too high a premium to enjoy the ride.

Enjoy your New Tenere and don't look back.
 

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"Excellent choice Sir. Sir obviously has meticulous taste in Motorcycles." ;D ::008::

Enjoy the ride, May all your seals be long lasting and your tires short lived. ::26:: ::001::

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3xranger said:
Here is my new baby. Already rode it 480 miles and am loving it. Thanks!!! Tall windscreen, OEM boxes on the way. Other farkles to follow. Can't wait to head out to Big Bend and down to Mexico.
This guy does not waste time.
 

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3xranger said:
Here is my new baby. Already rode it 480 miles and am loving it. Thanks!!! Tall windscreen, OEM boxes on the way. Other farkles to follow. Can't wait to head out to Big Bend and down to Mexico.
Congrats on the new ride - she just gets better and better with a few thousand miles on her...

Looking like that won't take you too long...Enjoy!
 

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3xranger said:
Well, I called my BMW mechanic today to let him know that I would be going from a GS to a S10. In the last year, I had spent about $3000 USD on this bike (maintenance is included in this figure). Given that I put 8K miles on it, that number adds up to almost .50 cents per mile. Not to mention the fact that the speedometer was sticking and my mechanic had given me an estimate of about $1500 USD as the entire dashboard would have to be replaced.

Anyway, he is a great guy with lots of experience. He only works on BMW's and has a much better reputation than the dealers in the area. People ride from as far as 300 miles to avoid going to the BMW dealer.

Obviously, he didn't want to lose a customer and he started telling me why I shouldn't go to a jap bike. Here are the main points he made:

1. Jap bikes tend to be discontinued much more regularly than BMW's. When they are discontinued, parts become scarce. He told me a story about an 8 year old Honda he owned and about how difficult is was to get parts for it.
2. He said jap bikes were not built for the really long haul. He does have a 1995 R1100GS with 500K miles that has never been rebuilt. He mentioned that Japanese bikes are built for about 100K miles, then it's all down hill from there.
3. Bottom line, he said if I plan to keep the bike for some years, I should not go with a jap bike.

Does he make valid points? Or is he just hating losing a good paying customer?
I think he don´t know anything about engines and bike´s brands... and nothing about motorcycles

Congrat for changing to Yamaha... you will not go back to BMW
I always think that BMW owners (as Harley Davidson too) don´t know anything about motorcycles... now i almost think that the mechanics of those brands don´t know too


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Misconceptions often have a grain of truth in them. Back in the mid '80's Honda had a couple of bikes that were slit year models. A friend had one and parts were impossible to get because it was only made for 6 months and a bunch of the parts for the model years on either side of it were non-compatible. Some of that stuff is now available, but wasn't then.

The Yamaha engines seem to do very well up to about 200k. Sure, I do know of some 500k BMW engines. With about 50 Hp. Talk about lower stress levels on an engine!

Your call, (obviously you already did that ::008:: ), but how many bikes have you kept for over 200k? I know a bunch of guys that have, but lets face it, most of us don't.

I'm sure he's proud of what he sells and services. If he were to go to school to learn to work on Japanese bikes, he'd discover a different philosophy.
 

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Yes. Around back of Colvins auto glass in Idaho Falls on the side of the garage is a mostly there Wombat. I often think of asking the owner if she wants the "mess" cleaned up O:)

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know where to get parts for a Hodaka Wombat? ::013::

 

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There may be SOME merit in his comments, but MUCH more myth than fact.

I currently own 2 BMWs and 3 Asian bikes so I can speak with some authority or experience. BMWs have some qualities that are great. Some people have ridden very long trips on them. You do see adds for BMWs with 200k + miles on them, but more often than not you find them with very low miles...IE my buddy just bought a 2008 R1200GSA with 6k miles on it....really? I showed him that his FD had wrench marks on the bolts already....not just on the drain/fill plugs...scary. He is already worried about it. It shifts like a Mack truck, brakes are whizzy feeling, Bike feels heavy and lumbering and he has only put about 1k miles on it in 3 months, which sadly is 4x the amount previous owners put on it.
His reason for riding so little currently is that after having it a month and 1/2 a service engine light came on even though the seller said it had had a dealer service within a few hundred miles of his selling....scary. The dealer is recommending a full service "Starting" at $400....I just had a full 600 mile service done on my Ten with all fluids, filters, lubes, labor....for $182 {including tax} completed in 3 hours. His BMW dealer needs him to make an appointment and he does not have the extra cash after $14,000 for the bike, shipping, taxes and licensing for his for his now 7 year old bike. ::010::

I bought my Ten OTD {tax, title destination charges, licensing, freight, handling, assembly....included} with the YES 5 yr extended warranty for just over that and rode it to his house the next day...he took off on a ride on my bike, gone 15 minutes "around the block" and came back saying "I screwed UP"....it is smoother, equal or better brakes, shifts better, feels lighter. He said he was sick to his stomach. That the Ten is what he THOUGHT his GSA was going to be and that his GSA is worse that he would have thought any Japanese bike would be.

On the parts availability topic, he has some merit. I have an auto parts back round so again I can speak with some experience, parts stores stock what will sell. If I know that ford f150's need water pumps every 20k miles I am going to stock 4 of them on the shelf. If I know they only needed them after 300k miles...I MIGHT stock 1, maybe none if I can get a customer 1 same day.

Parts for bmw bikes are very readily available for a reason.
That said, I burned out a fuel pump on my R1100 at 24k miles {why so soon?} and it was not available for 3 days and then at a cost of $426.
I have a 1965 Yamaha Ym1 305, if you even KNOW WHAT that is you are better than most people, that I have built a café bike out of. I bought all bearing for trans and engine, all seals, pistons, rings, carb rebuild kits, new engine bolt kit, gaskets....every single part other than barrels, heads, cases, and main crank and trans gears and those parts were available, I just did not need them.

Parts for the Ten will likely be available for a very long time to come and even when or if they stop someone will still have NOS or repops.

I would not trade my Ten for 2 new paid for BMWs unless I could flip the BMWs and use that money to buy another Ten and fund a RTW trip... ::022:: ::021::
 

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kmac said:
I would not trade my Ten for 2 new paid for BMWs unless I could flip the BMWs and use that money to buy another Ten.
Sounds like a plan for someone you know. ::024::
 

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Ramsey, Hodaka parts are readily available. You can obviously not walk into a Hodaka dealer in Nebraska or Panama and find what you need IN STOCK....but if you have a few days and an internet connection you could build that Hodaka from scratch...
I have a guy I know who buys and sells Hodakas as a side business. He restores them to factory perfection. He started because he was racing Vintage AHRMA stuff and there was a lot of people liking the bikes. He has no issue finding parts.

I agree with others, there are odd models, and marketing/design failures that are difficult to find parts for. But not most stuff. There are BMWs that are hard to find parts for also. The issue is not just availability, but COST....the BMW fuel pump I needed was $426...the Ten {if you EVER need one} is $139 I think....easy decision.
 

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I too came from a long history of BMW ownership, approximately 20 years and 4 bikes. My long time mechanic was Tom High of Rennsport Motoradd in Deland, FL. A private and we'll respected BMW mechanic like yours. When I told him about the S10, and asked his opinion, he told me that Yamaha was a great bike, and with proper maintenance it would last just as long as any Beemer. The biggest problem with Japanese bikes in his perspective was from a lack of proper maintenance by immature owners. So . . . Myth


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Dude, your mechanic hit the nail on the head!

The folks that have no idea "where the oil goes in", are far more likely to buy the hondasuzukiyamakawsaki. And it's a good thing too. They are far more likely to get away with stupid crap.

Ironically, the BMW owner is very likely the fella willing to have his bike meticulously looked after. And yet, he still can get hosed on reliability.
 

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snakebitten said:
Dude, your mechanic hit the nail on the head!

The folks that have no idea "where the oil goes in", are far more likely to buy the hondasuzukiyamakawsaki. And it's a good thing too. They are far more likely to get away with stupid crap.

Ironically, the BMW owner is very likely the fella willing to have his bike meticulously looked after. And yet, he still can get hosed on reliability.
This makes perfect sense. When I was younger (and much dumber) I wasn't nearly as fastidious about maintenance and only ever had one Japanese bike that gave me issues. It was a late eighties Katana 600, and it was horrible. I don't know if it was the line or if I got a bad one, but it went away pretty quick. Never looked seriously at a Suzuki again after that mess...
 

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snakebitten said:
Dude, your mechanic hit the nail on the head!

The folks that have no idea "where the oil goes in", are far more likely to buy the hondasuzukiyamakawsaki. And it's a good thing too. They are far more likely to get away with stupid crap.

Ironically, the BMW owner is very likely the fella willing to have his bike meticulously looked after. And yet, he still can get hosed on reliability.
Not to pick a fight, but I have to disagree with your sentiments. I know more than "where the oil goes", and I've had 3 Wee Stroms (one of which sits next to the S10) and a Vee. I've also owned 3 FJRs, 2 FZ1s and a FZ6. The Suzukis are what they are and pretty good bang for the buck.... kind of like an S10 compared to a BMW GS.
 

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I think you misunderstood. :)

I didn't say if you bought Japanese you didn't know where the oil goes.
Instead, I said if you didn't know where the oil goes, you likely bought Japanese.

See the difference?

As for Suzuki in particular, it has always been my favorite emotionally. Of the many many bikes since late 60's that I've owned, half have been Suzukis. And I never got a bum one.
From the TS50, to the GSXR's, and all the TM's, RM's, SV's and GS's between, great bikes.
 
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