Power restriction in first 3 gears now lifted

[Tremor38]

Well this just keeps lookin better! 8) ::008::

 

[Blue_eyes]

if i get the chance i will ::008::

Let's not get our hopes up too high.... ::017::

I've heard that some other Yamaha specialists have tried and bitten their teeth off trying to crack the thing... It's not the usual suspect it seems...

 

[Rasher]

Many bikes have low gear restrictions, and I thought much of it was to do with noise regs with the EU market as bikes are caned in third for the noise test, so slowing htem up in the lower gears helps.

One cure for many bikes is the good old TRE (timing retard eliminator) which foosl the bike into always thinking it is in a higher gear, in the past I have used a GI-Pro as it also has a gear indicator, handy if your bike does not have one, or even if it does as the TRE part leaves the bikes indicator showing the wrong gear - and at about £90 far cheaper than some other mods - and you gain a gear indicator

http://www.healtech-electronics.com/

There is also a place in the UK that remaps standard ECU's I had a ZZR1400 remapped by them and they reckon they can re-map the Tenere, I suspect they can remove any gear restrictions from the ECU software.

http://www.hilltopmotorcycles.com/index.htm

 

[bloke]

To be honest the power restriction isnt really something that bothers me or something i think about a lot, even when im in the mountains with my mates most of them on pure super sport bikes its never something that comes to mind, most time im in touring mode anyway and still don't have any problems leading the pace, years ago i woned a track day co in the UK and taught basic track craft and mentored a few racers there and later here in the USA, people always thought they needed more power to get better lap times but i used to ask them "if your mostly only using 85 of the 155bhp available whats the point in having 185bhp your still only going to use 85 of them"

point being do we really need full power in the first three? I doubt it altho i understand the "if its there i want it" mentality but honestly again its not something i think about and im not getting left behind anywhere and never thought "if only i had those hidden ponies" coz lets be honest even in restricted form the super ten in first gear has more dobbins than a v-strom 650 OR a hardly ableson!

to cut a long story short if i could buy a bolt on that gave me full power and smoothed out a few bumps in the power curve the super ten had AND it didnt cost a 4 tune (geddit?) i may be tempted and altho Huey at MM offered to use my bike as a test bed its my daly transport and i need it everyday to get around more than i need a bunch of ponies i probly wont use much since again my bike despite being in the hills every weekend with a bunch of liter sport bike loonies draggin knees still remains in touring mode with the traction control on!

but if im over Marietta motor sports facility anytime soon (happens a bunch since one of our branches is around the corner and its a real cool place to visit if your a racer/ex racer) i"ll let Huey take a look and see what can be done ::008::

 

[RMac]

You make some very solid points that were confirmed with my first recreational ride in a few weeks today. Yes, the power restriction in 2nd is felt, but to be honest and it occured to me yet again, I cannot use the full power of the engine unless I am on a long straight section, and even then it is very respectable. I think that for me perhaps the biggest issue with the power restriction is that it induces a sense of unpredictability, sometimes all what you need and frankly more is present, but then unexpectedly in some situations, what this feels really flat! If there is ever a relatively low cost, street legal, warranty friendly fix for this, I would go for it.

 

[Blue_eyes]

Nice vid and spec's on the Diapason XT1200R.

Their reprogrammed ECU delivers 120 HP!

http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/7965/yamaha-xtz1200r-super-tenere-al-pharaons-rally-2011

Vid: Yamana XTZ1200R Super Tenere al Pharaons Rally 2011

 

[~TABASCO~]

Did you get your Diapason ECM yet... Can I please be your supplier for all your tire needs............... ::26::

 

[Blue_eyes]

Did you get your Diapason ECM yet... Can I please be your supplier for all your tire needs............... ::26::

::025:: ::025:: ::025::

Not yet! Still waiting for customs to release your shipment and get the AT installed....... ::010::

First I want to see what the bike runs like after the AT is installed. Just changed my map by adding some fuel in the 80-100% throttle and 5000 - 8500 rpm. I noticed that my bike would not go over 110 mph in 5th and 6th gear.... it was running too lean. Now, with the added fuel it feels even more powerful and runs over 130 mph on the GPS with passenger. ::001::

 

[3putt]

I am watching this thread with interest.

On the ST being faster than the Multi 12 0-60, don't think so. I have a standard Multi 12, it has no limited HP in any gears, and it will definitely out run the Super T to any speed. If the Super T could run with the Multi 12, I would really be impressed since it gives away at least 50 lbs.

 

[bloke]

I am watching this thread with interest.

On the ST being faster than the Multi 12 0-60, don't think so. I have a standard Multi 12, it has no limited HP in any gears, and it will definitely out run the Super T to any speed. If the Super T could run with the Multi 12, I would really be impressed since it gives away at least 50 lbs.

Everything depends on the rider. I ride with a multi duck and it doesn't matter where we are my super ten is faster lol

 

[Reg IT]

I tried the Motec test bike today. The difference is immediately noticeable even as you ride out of the shop! Not the speed at this point but the engine behaviour. It is friskier and more responsive, the engine sound is constant. What-You-Ttwist-Is-What-You-Get. I have always disliked the way our engine goes flat unexpectedly in the lower gears, I cant say I notice a dramatic power drop, just the engine tone goes flat, I have to twist more than I expected and the spirit of things cools off. Well – with the Motec map, that is gone, the bike is so much more fun, not ‘V-Twin’ jerky like a KTM or a Multi, just linier power giving me more confidence to make darting about easier.
I didn’t try to spin up, wheelie or drag start – I just rode, and adored.
It is faster too of course, which adds to the fun and I would have more fun bonding with this Motec engine than I am having with the Yamaha bog standard.
I have just done 2K with my wife on the back in Corsica. Most of the going is low gear work and I got pissed off with the unexpected flat spots when I needed the power for overtakes and between the hairpins. I feel a bit duped by Yamaha, I don’t feel I am getting what I paid for.
The guys at Motec are really helpful and it is an authorised Yamaha dealer too. The work is not done onsite, you have to leave your bike (ECU) with them for 2 weeks. Rather than doing them one at a time, they wait until they have a bunch of them (other models I guess), then one of the engineers takes a bunch of them to the tuner.
They speak English, in the showroom and the chief engineer is native US English speaker, I didn’t meet him though.
600 Es is expensive, but you get your bike back.
Will I have it done this winter? For the Tenner to be a keeper, I need it.

 

[Bundu]

I tried the Motec test bike today. The difference is immediately noticeable even as you ride out of the shop! Not the speed at this point but the engine behaviour. It is friskier and more responsive, the engine sound is constant. What-You-Ttwist-Is-What-You-Get. I have always disliked the way our engine goes flat unexpectedly in the lower gears, I cant say I notice a dramatic power drop, just the engine tone goes flat, I have to twist more than I expected and the spirit of things cools off. Well – with the Motec map, that is gone, the bike is so much more fun, not ‘V-Twin’ jerky like a KTM or a Multi, just linier power giving me more confidence to make darting about easier.
I didn’t try to spin up, wheelie or drag start – I just rode, and adored.
It is faster too of course, which adds to the fun and I would have more fun bonding with this Motec engine than I am having with the Yamaha bog standard.
I have just done 2K with my wife on the back in Corsica. Most of the going is low gear work and I got pissed off with the unexpected flat spots when I needed the power for overtakes and between the hairpins. I feel a bit duped by Yamaha, I don’t feel I am getting what I paid for.
The guys at Motec are really helpful and it is an authorised Yamaha dealer too. The work is not done onsite, you have to leave your bike (ECU) with them for 2 weeks. Rather than doing them one at a time, they wait until they have a bunch of them (other models I guess), then one of the engineers takes a bunch of them to the tuner.
They speak English, in the showroom and the chief engineer is native US English speaker, I didn’t meet him though.
600 Es is expensive, but you get your bike back.
Will I have it done this winter? For the Tenner to be a keeper, I need it.

thanks! good info and my sentiments exactly! ::008::

 

[Tremor38]

I tried the Motec test bike today. The difference is immediately noticeable even as you ride out of the shop! Not the speed at this point but the engine behaviour. It is friskier and more responsive, the engine sound is constant. What-You-Ttwist-Is-What-You-Get. I have always disliked the way our engine goes flat unexpectedly in the lower gears, I cant say I notice a dramatic power drop, just the engine tone goes flat, I have to twist more than I expected and the spirit of things cools off. Well – with the Motec map, that is gone, the bike is so much more fun, not ‘V-Twin’ jerky like a KTM or a Multi, just linier power giving me more confidence to make darting about easier.
I didn’t try to spin up, wheelie or drag start – I just rode, and adored.
It is faster too of course, which adds to the fun and I would have more fun bonding with this Motec engine than I am having with the Yamaha bog standard.
I have just done 2K with my wife on the back in Corsica. Most of the going is low gear work and I got pissed off with the unexpected flat spots when I needed the power for overtakes and between the hairpins. I feel a bit duped by Yamaha, I don’t feel I am getting what I paid for.
The guys at Motec are really helpful and it is an authorised Yamaha dealer too. The work is not done onsite, you have to leave your bike (ECU) with them for 2 weeks. Rather than doing them one at a time, they wait until they have a bunch of them (other models I guess), then one of the engineers takes a bunch of them to the tuner.
They speak English, in the showroom and the chief engineer is native US English speaker, I didn’t meet him though.
600 Es is expensive, but you get your bike back.
Will I have it done this winter? For the Tenner to be a keeper, I need it.

Thanks for the info. I'm hoping the price comes down a bit. At 700 EU, I'm thankful the restriction isn't enough of a negative to make me choose not to keep the bike. ::001:: I'll be keeping an eye on the price and if somone finally offers the mod for about half of the current price, I could see having it done. Sure wish the Italian company was more accessable.

 

[Blue_eyes]

I tried the Motec test bike today. The difference is immediately noticeable even as you ride out of the shop! Not the speed at this point but the engine behaviour. It is friskier and more responsive, the engine sound is constant. What-You-Ttwist-Is-What-You-Get. I have always disliked the way our engine goes flat unexpectedly in the lower gears, I cant say I notice a dramatic power drop, just the engine tone goes flat, I have to twist more than I expected and the spirit of things cools off. Well – with the Motec map, that is gone, the bike is so much more fun, not ‘V-Twin’ jerky like a KTM or a Multi, just linier power giving me more confidence to make darting about easier.
I didn’t try to spin up, wheelie or drag start – I just rode, and adored.
It is faster too of course, which adds to the fun and I would have more fun bonding with this Motec engine than I am having with the Yamaha bog standard.
I have just done 2K with my wife on the back in Corsica. Most of the going is low gear work and I got pissed off with the unexpected flat spots when I needed the power for overtakes and between the hairpins. I feel a bit duped by Yamaha, I don’t feel I am getting what I paid for.
The guys at Motec are really helpful and it is an authorised Yamaha dealer too. The work is not done onsite, you have to leave your bike (ECU) with them for 2 weeks. Rather than doing them one at a time, they wait until they have a bunch of them (other models I guess), then one of the engineers takes a bunch of them to the tuner.
They speak English, in the showroom and the chief engineer is native US English speaker, I didn’t meet him though.
600 Es is expensive, but you get your bike back.
Will I have it done this winter? For the Tenner to be a keeper, I need it.

Wonderful! Thanks a million for sharing your first hand experience with us!

I guess that Motec brings the ECU's they collect to Diapason in Italy.... They do it for EU 250,-

I would be willing to pay EU 100,- extra for their service (I have a bit more confidence in the german service than the Italian, sorry if I offend any Italian folks here...) but find the additional EU 350,- a bit steep for a bring and collect service.

 

[3putt]

Probably just a matter of time before we have someone doing this in the states, and much cheaper. I'll wait.

 

[sportrider]

When it comes to the states, I would like to have it done.

 

[fredz43]

I find this thread very interesting. I still would like to see a dyno graph of a USA bike. I say this because, with only 3,000 miles on my bike, I have yet to feel a flat spot in any gear. I am presently riding some of the great, twisty Ozark roads in Arkansas ansd Missouri and so far am amazed at the power band in all situations with this bike. I am extremely pleased with it. Perhaps I am not perceptive enough to feel flat spots, but I know that it has always done anything I have asked of it in any situation.

In looking at the graphs of the 2010 Euro models, there certainly is a dramatic dip in power and I would think I could feel that, but for the life of me I can't on my 2012 USA bike. A dyno graph of a USA bike would show me if ours have it or if I just am not aware of it.

For the record, I have not adjusted the CO or done a TBS, since it has never died at a stop, never had a bog pulling away from a stop, so at this point I have decided to let it ride, especially after reading how some guys' bikes have run worse after their experiments with these settings.

 

[justbob]

Fred I can feel a dip in the power, its most noticable between 2000 and 3000 RPM's in 1st and 2nd gear.
I did a little roll-on drag race with a buddy, the bikes were dead even thru 2nd and 3rd gear and as soon as I shifted in to 4th gear I started steadily pulling away from him. He was riding a 2005 Concours C-10

 

[spasm]

my tuner wont do it, but what about these guys ?
http://ecunleashed.com/ecu-tuning-item/2009-12-yamaha-xt1200z/

 

[spasm]

more http://ecunleashed.com/tune-of-the-month-july-august/