MIKE R
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Just tried that.............BLOODY HELL ???............Not doing that again!WJBertrand said:
Mike
Might have a headlight problem.....I think!
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WJBertrand
Ventura Highway
Don't say I didn't warn you!MIKE R said:
MIKE R
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OK......might be eating humble pie here :
Rode the bike at night on some dark country roads. The beam seemed a bit high to me (still on the factory settings)
Dealer can't find anything else wrong so has adjusted the headlight,,,,,just got to ride it now and see what happens.
I'll let you know the outcome
Mike
UPDATE
Followed 2 bikes today and they both reported the 'flashing' so its not headlight height/suspension.
Thinking cap on again!
Rode the bike at night on some dark country roads. The beam seemed a bit high to me (still on the factory settings)
Dealer can't find anything else wrong so has adjusted the headlight,,,,,just got to ride it now and see what happens.
I'll let you know the outcome
Mike
UPDATE
Followed 2 bikes today and they both reported the 'flashing' so its not headlight height/suspension.
Thinking cap on again!
MIKE R
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Headlight High/Low Beam diagram required
I'm having a problem with my bike intermittently flashing the high beam when I'm riding with the beam on low,
Full details here!
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=20517.0
Can someone please explain to me how the main beam/dipped beam shutter works.
I know it covers the light but is there only one shutter or 2 (one for each bulb)
Is the shutter part of the headlight or is it something that can be checked/ replaced independently.
Has anyone got a diagram showing the various components?
Any help gratefully received
Mike
I'm having a problem with my bike intermittently flashing the high beam when I'm riding with the beam on low,
Full details here!
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=20517.0
Can someone please explain to me how the main beam/dipped beam shutter works.
I know it covers the light but is there only one shutter or 2 (one for each bulb)
Is the shutter part of the headlight or is it something that can be checked/ replaced independently.
Has anyone got a diagram showing the various components?
Any help gratefully received
Mike
Just an educated guess that the "dimmer" is just a piece of metal shield on a little arm, with a spring to hold it in the normal position and a solenoid to pull it. The spring may've weakened allowing the metal shield to move more freely than it should. You might talk to the dealer about trying to replace it on warranty.
Re: Headlight High/Low Beam diagram required
Posting the wiring diagram would be a copyright problem for us. However, the headlight circuit is on this blog page from another of our members:
https://thetenerist.wordpress.com/2013/10/
Posting the wiring diagram would be a copyright problem for us. However, the headlight circuit is on this blog page from another of our members:
https://thetenerist.wordpress.com/2013/10/
MIKE R
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Re: Headlight High/Low Beam diagram required
Many thanks for that.
Has anyone got a fiche diagram showing the shutter location and how it works?
I have a manual but the headlight is not shown in such detail
Thanks
Mike
Many thanks for that.
Has anyone got a fiche diagram showing the shutter location and how it works?
I have a manual but the headlight is not shown in such detail
Thanks
Mike
Gigitt
Active Member
Re: Headlight High/Low Beam diagram required
I mentioned basically how projector cut of shields work in your other post.
I don't know how the S10 projector works specifically because I have not seen the projector out of the headlight.
But here is a really great example of the cut off shield and how it moves.
When you switch to high beam, the solenoid energizes and moves the cut of shield out of the way thus throwing more light out onto the road.
https://youtu.be/gMCoySLCoEc
I mentioned basically how projector cut of shields work in your other post.
I don't know how the S10 projector works specifically because I have not seen the projector out of the headlight.
But here is a really great example of the cut off shield and how it moves.
When you switch to high beam, the solenoid energizes and moves the cut of shield out of the way thus throwing more light out onto the road.
https://youtu.be/gMCoySLCoEc
Gigitt
Active Member
Re: Headlight High/Low Beam diagram required
you are not going to see it in a manual.
basicaly headlights come complete and replaced as such so parts diagrams etc will not show you the internals.
All the information on projectors comes from DIY enthusiasts pulling the projectors out of high end cars and retro fitting them.
Sooooo.. unless you or someone else decides to crack open a S10 headlight and takes pics of the actual projector and shield mechanism... we are not going to know which way the S10 works and if there is a spring or arm for the shield has poped loose.
MIKE R said:
you are not going to see it in a manual.
basicaly headlights come complete and replaced as such so parts diagrams etc will not show you the internals.
All the information on projectors comes from DIY enthusiasts pulling the projectors out of high end cars and retro fitting them.
Sooooo.. unless you or someone else decides to crack open a S10 headlight and takes pics of the actual projector and shield mechanism... we are not going to know which way the S10 works and if there is a spring or arm for the shield has poped loose.
Squibb
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I'm not clear whether your Dealer/tech checked out the ES system, as I mentioned in a previous post. Checks also suggests looking again at the flapper action & I think your dealer was intending to change the relay?
It is possible, although very rare, for the ES to get out of sync, leaving the bike riding low/soft at the rear, usually as a result of increasing the preload settings with the bike fully laden. Indeed I did come across one owner, in the early days of ES, who didn't understand the settings menu - he thought he was upping the preload (the menu for which is only available when stationary, in neutral, engine on) when in fact he was just playing with the damper settings on the fly.
Did your dealer set the lights up, with you sitting on the bike in ATG, one helmet setting against a light setting wall guide, or was it a bit of guesswork. My ES needed pretty substantial adjustment to get it right I recall, not just a brief tweek.
Just as a test, why not set the preload to fully laden 2 helmets plus luggage, stffen up the damping, then get out on that dark country lane & see if you are still dazzling folk. If not, then the light beams need further downward adjustment to correct the beam throw for when you return to the solo/ 1 helmet setting.
Hope this helps, so you can find a solution soon.
Ride Safe ................... KEN
It is possible, although very rare, for the ES to get out of sync, leaving the bike riding low/soft at the rear, usually as a result of increasing the preload settings with the bike fully laden. Indeed I did come across one owner, in the early days of ES, who didn't understand the settings menu - he thought he was upping the preload (the menu for which is only available when stationary, in neutral, engine on) when in fact he was just playing with the damper settings on the fly.
Did your dealer set the lights up, with you sitting on the bike in ATG, one helmet setting against a light setting wall guide, or was it a bit of guesswork. My ES needed pretty substantial adjustment to get it right I recall, not just a brief tweek.
Just as a test, why not set the preload to fully laden 2 helmets plus luggage, stffen up the damping, then get out on that dark country lane & see if you are still dazzling folk. If not, then the light beams need further downward adjustment to correct the beam throw for when you return to the solo/ 1 helmet setting.
Hope this helps, so you can find a solution soon.
Ride Safe ................... KEN
Just merged your two threads on this.
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MIKE R
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Thanks all for some really good ideas/info.
Spoked to the dealer again today and they're going to call Yamaha for advice.
They have a few S10s in stock so I'm hoping they might 'move some parts over' until they find the answer.
Mike
Spoked to the dealer again today and they're going to call Yamaha for advice.
They have a few S10s in stock so I'm hoping they might 'move some parts over' until they find the answer.
Mike
MIKE R
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If the headlight shutters are faulty is it a new headlight or can they be repaired?
Mike
Mike
They are built into the assembly. One unit
MIKE R
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Thanks for that. I thought that would be the case.Checkswrecks said:
Back to the dealers today with video images of the 'flashing lights'
Mike
Gigitt
Active Member
Well I'd be surprised if the shield is flapping around lose.
Found this Super Tenere pojector for sale on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/14-Yamaha-XT1200ZE-Super-Tenere-Head-Light-Lamp-100-31016-/161889016514?fits=Model%3ASuper+Tenere&hash=item25b1565ac2:g:GlsAAOSw7ehXTaUq&vxp=mtr
and pictures show the solenoid pin directly links to the shield and no spring.
Found this Super Tenere pojector for sale on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/14-Yamaha-XT1200ZE-Super-Tenere-Head-Light-Lamp-100-31016-/161889016514?fits=Model%3ASuper+Tenere&hash=item25b1565ac2:g:GlsAAOSw7ehXTaUq&vxp=mtr
and pictures show the solenoid pin directly links to the shield and no spring.
MIKE R
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Now I'm completely baffled.
This is a great example of how boffins can make a very simple idea (headlight = 2 filaments, 1 dipped, one main beam) and over engineered it into a technical monstrosity. It also explains why a complete new headlight is over £500 in the UK.
As it stands my dealer is going to try and get a replacement headlight unit off Yamaha UK. I'm not hopeful but at least we now know the unit can be stripped and checked.
According to Yamaha UK this has never happened to a S10 before.........unless someone out there knows different!
Thanks again for your efforts. I'll keep this board fully informed as to any developments and the (hopefully) final solution
Mike
This is a great example of how boffins can make a very simple idea (headlight = 2 filaments, 1 dipped, one main beam) and over engineered it into a technical monstrosity. It also explains why a complete new headlight is over £500 in the UK.
As it stands my dealer is going to try and get a replacement headlight unit off Yamaha UK. I'm not hopeful but at least we now know the unit can be stripped and checked.
According to Yamaha UK this has never happened to a S10 before.........unless someone out there knows different!
Thanks again for your efforts. I'll keep this board fully informed as to any developments and the (hopefully) final solution
Mike
Squibb
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Mike,
I think we all wish you well in sorting out this issue.
But ...................... I am still left to wonder whether your dealer has spent the time to check/set the suspension, check the wiring/relay/flapper/headlight mountings/bulbs & set headlight aim correctly. Seems pretty simple, but I have my doubts. Why can't they put you out on a loan bike & get their guys to ride the thing at night & see for themselves? Who do you use incidentally? Maybe local Forum members can guide you elsewhere.
Believe me, I have been there with some crazy issues over the years & if there is one thing I have learnt from these occasional problems (thankfully), it is that dealers rarely spend sufficient time in the analysis stage, neither do they work progressively towards seeking out a logical solution. It runs a bit like this. You rock up with the bike - the tech guys know you have an issue - they all hate electrical gremlin type issues/ghost problems - the boss wants them to get the jobs through for 90% plus time chargeout - Yamaha's input isn't much help as you are a unique case. So your bike sits in the back of the shop, until all other work is cleared, they've been out for a smoke & copious tea/coffee has been drunk - then, in a rush around 4 pm they have a quick look, phone Yamaha & basically get nowhere - Yamaha don't want to spend warranty time/money on chasing ghosts. You call to pick up the bike at days end, get presented with the headlight replacement solution, but little commitment in reality & get sent on your way no further forward.
I would like to think I am being just a cynical old scrote.......... but I would bet I am not too far wrong.
Changing the light may well solve the issue as it will force your dealer to look at the wiring/connectors & set up the headlight aim as a matter of course, but it is hardly a methodical solution & I wonder, anyway, whether Yamaha will cooperate over such an expensive, reliable component. Anyway, we all know that the beam set-up on the ES bikes has been woeful, from the factory, yet adjustment is not deemed appropriate for us customers for some reason (6-33 Owner's manual). Yet in 6-35 we are allowed to pull the whole unit forward to change the inaccessible aux light bulbs. I don't get it. Maybe the light units are factory mounted & fine adjustment left to the dealer PDI, I don't know - what I do know is that my dipped lights were dazzling everybody from the get go & main beam lit the treetops, not the road. The issue was sorted with some significant downward beam adjustment, remembering that setting up has to be with the full weight of the rider seated & the bike upright, off the stand, preferably against a light setting wall graphic. I used a level area ahead of my garage door, with some tape for the height markers.
The last time I encountered frustration on this scale you are enduring Mike, I had to get the Importer's Customer Services Team involved direct & I managed to talk things through with their technical expert - he then dictated a logical sequence of checks to the local dealer, that sorted out the issue. Basically, he took ownership of the problem & it was soon sorted. The only alternative that I can think of is to solicit opinion elsewhere, as we all would with human health, if we weren't getting the right answers.
Good luck; keep us posted ............................. KEN
I think we all wish you well in sorting out this issue.
But ...................... I am still left to wonder whether your dealer has spent the time to check/set the suspension, check the wiring/relay/flapper/headlight mountings/bulbs & set headlight aim correctly. Seems pretty simple, but I have my doubts. Why can't they put you out on a loan bike & get their guys to ride the thing at night & see for themselves? Who do you use incidentally? Maybe local Forum members can guide you elsewhere.
Believe me, I have been there with some crazy issues over the years & if there is one thing I have learnt from these occasional problems (thankfully), it is that dealers rarely spend sufficient time in the analysis stage, neither do they work progressively towards seeking out a logical solution. It runs a bit like this. You rock up with the bike - the tech guys know you have an issue - they all hate electrical gremlin type issues/ghost problems - the boss wants them to get the jobs through for 90% plus time chargeout - Yamaha's input isn't much help as you are a unique case. So your bike sits in the back of the shop, until all other work is cleared, they've been out for a smoke & copious tea/coffee has been drunk - then, in a rush around 4 pm they have a quick look, phone Yamaha & basically get nowhere - Yamaha don't want to spend warranty time/money on chasing ghosts. You call to pick up the bike at days end, get presented with the headlight replacement solution, but little commitment in reality & get sent on your way no further forward.
I would like to think I am being just a cynical old scrote.......... but I would bet I am not too far wrong.
Changing the light may well solve the issue as it will force your dealer to look at the wiring/connectors & set up the headlight aim as a matter of course, but it is hardly a methodical solution & I wonder, anyway, whether Yamaha will cooperate over such an expensive, reliable component. Anyway, we all know that the beam set-up on the ES bikes has been woeful, from the factory, yet adjustment is not deemed appropriate for us customers for some reason (6-33 Owner's manual). Yet in 6-35 we are allowed to pull the whole unit forward to change the inaccessible aux light bulbs. I don't get it. Maybe the light units are factory mounted & fine adjustment left to the dealer PDI, I don't know - what I do know is that my dipped lights were dazzling everybody from the get go & main beam lit the treetops, not the road. The issue was sorted with some significant downward beam adjustment, remembering that setting up has to be with the full weight of the rider seated & the bike upright, off the stand, preferably against a light setting wall graphic. I used a level area ahead of my garage door, with some tape for the height markers.
The last time I encountered frustration on this scale you are enduring Mike, I had to get the Importer's Customer Services Team involved direct & I managed to talk things through with their technical expert - he then dictated a logical sequence of checks to the local dealer, that sorted out the issue. Basically, he took ownership of the problem & it was soon sorted. The only alternative that I can think of is to solicit opinion elsewhere, as we all would with human health, if we weren't getting the right answers.
Good luck; keep us posted ............................. KEN
MIKE R
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Thanks again, Ken for your input.
My bikes still with me but I am reluctant to use it for obvious reasons. The flashing lights have now been witnessed by 6 independent witnesses and it also on video. The headlight aim has been checked and when flashing there is no indication on the dash (ie no blue main beam warning light)
I've attached a couple of pictures. They're not very good as they are stills from the video but they do show a flash (unfortunately about a 100 yards away)
I'll wait and see if a new headlight is forthcoming, although I do think they need to take the old one off and inspect it to see if there is anything obvious.
I have also suggested that the best way forward might be to take parts off a second hand S10 they've had in stock for some time and try them on my bike until the solution is found although I can't see them doing this.
It is beginning to get very frustrating.
At least Yamaha are keeping a file on this problem so if it happens again they may have a ready solution.
Mike
My bikes still with me but I am reluctant to use it for obvious reasons. The flashing lights have now been witnessed by 6 independent witnesses and it also on video. The headlight aim has been checked and when flashing there is no indication on the dash (ie no blue main beam warning light)
I've attached a couple of pictures. They're not very good as they are stills from the video but they do show a flash (unfortunately about a 100 yards away)
I'll wait and see if a new headlight is forthcoming, although I do think they need to take the old one off and inspect it to see if there is anything obvious.
I have also suggested that the best way forward might be to take parts off a second hand S10 they've had in stock for some time and try them on my bike until the solution is found although I can't see them doing this.
It is beginning to get very frustrating.
At least Yamaha are keeping a file on this problem so if it happens again they may have a ready solution.
Mike
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Squibb
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It's a shame you don't live close by - we could soon have this fixed/sorted &, whilst my electrical knowledge is amateur, my neighbour has an aerospace background so there isn't much he can't fix. I still think the first step is to check out the suspension, for excessive sag/ineffective damping/correct ride height, then adjust the beam correctly.
You don't mention your dealer by name? Have you checked them out for user feedback? Sometimes, even the best fall down when say a good tech leaves & the workshop is pressurised.
On your patch I only know the guys at Chorley Yamaha, from brief aquaintance collecting my FJR, but I know other folk speak well of them for sure & I would have thought they could get to the bottom of this readily.
All the best .................... KEN
You don't mention your dealer by name? Have you checked them out for user feedback? Sometimes, even the best fall down when say a good tech leaves & the workshop is pressurised.
On your patch I only know the guys at Chorley Yamaha, from brief aquaintance collecting my FJR, but I know other folk speak well of them for sure & I would have thought they could get to the bottom of this readily.
All the best .................... KEN