is Super Tenere still a good buy today?

[tallpaul]

You will soon appreciate the shaft ... there is no 'shaft takeup' that older shaft drive bikes had, not that I notice anyway ... and no hassel and no maintenance worrys on Euro tours will be great

Mate, just for background Robson has been a member on this site since 2014. He has trolled innumerable times on the Super Tenere's shortcomings as he sees them and still hasn't put his money on the table and bought one. Chain, shaft, nuclear fission, it matters not. He will not buy, so weighing up the pros and cons of anything bike related is like having an in-depth discussion on the meaning of life with your dog.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

My dog is pretty smart

 

[ballisticexchris]

The biggest downfall of the Africa Twin is the one piece frame. Subframes get tweaked. On the AT you have to replace the whole frame. That and the fact it has 21/18 wheels.

What the Super Tenere has going for it is it's a mile cruncher and super duper reliable. For me, it was the most comfortable bike I have ever swung a leg over.

 

[Sierra1]

My dog is pretty smart

Truly, man's best friend.

 

[twinrider]

I bought a 2017 AT DCT a few months backView attachment 79800 and I was a little underwhelmed ... the DCT was a bit odd but strangely I liked using the gear shift on the handle bar and got used to that. I also think the 21" front wheel looked wierd on my black AT, the exhaust note even on standard can was lovely though and the Remus I had was nice. I think the new version of the 1100 in red, white and blue looks great.

Having said all that ... lack of shaft, some poor quality fixings, a stupid battery placing and falling out with the colour made me feeling like I could not bond with it ... so the S10 Worldcrosser stole my heart away

I had a 2016 DCT AT for a couple years. The DCT was ok when I didn't care about what gear I was in (commuting, highway droning) but for fun riding when I cared, it rarely shifted when I wanted it to. So I also left it in manual mode. One day it just decided to stop downshifting and stranded me. That and the intermittent stalling issue I was having led me to sell it and I got another S10. While I owned the AT, the fuel pump, headlight switch and idle control valve also broke. The Yamaha's quality is on a different level.

 

[gapmtn1]

People diss a 21" wheel. I might not utilize it on the S10, and probably not the AT, but love them for smaller or more dirt oriented DS bikes. Around my terrain anyway.

 

[gunslinger_006]

People diss a 21" wheel. I might not utilize it on the S10, and probably not the AT, but love them for smaller or more dirt oriented DS bikes. Around my terrain anyway.

Yeah on a proper dirtbike its a necessity

On a 600lb machine i have no business going where you need a 21” wheel.


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[Longdog Cymru]

The biggest downfall of the Africa Twin is the one piece frame. Subframes get tweaked. On the AT you have to replace the whole frame. That and the fact it has 21/18 wheels.

What the Super Tenere has going for it is it's a mile cruncher and super duper reliable. For me, it was the most comfortable bike I have ever swung a leg over.

I am not an Africa Twin fan, but Africa Twins have had a bolt-on subframe for about 2 years at least. In fact, one of the U.K. bike mags put an Africa Twin into a ditch over a year ago and it was only the bolt-on subframe that saved it from being an insurance right-off.

 

[fac191]

I’d be looking at the KTM 1290S, the S1000XR, the new Tracer 9 GT, perhaps even the newest version of the big VStrom. There might be others, they’re just off the top of my head. I also quite like the Z1000SX, but I think it’d be too cramped for me. I also quite like the 1050 Tiger, was hoping a new one would appear, however the last version was a nice and very capable bike.

I don’t go off road at all, so don’t really need a true adventure bike, however they fit my frame well and I quite like the way they look and ride. I’ve had an adventure bike since 2003, but I have no loyalty whatsoever to any brand.

I like all those bikes.

 

[bimota]

Mate, just for background Robson has been a member on this site since 2014. He has trolled innumerable times on the Super Tenere's shortcomings as he sees them and still hasn't put his money on the table and bought one. Chain, shaft, nuclear fission, it matters not. He will not buy, so weighing up the pros and cons of anything bike related is like having an in-depth discussion on the meaning of life with your dog.

spot on fella

 

[Onenoodles]

Mate, just for background Robson has been a member on this site since 2014. He has trolled innumerable times on the Super Tenere's shortcomings as he sees them and still hasn't put his money on the table and bought one. Chain, shaft, nuclear fission, it matters not. He will not buy, so weighing up the pros and cons of anything bike related is like having an in-depth discussion on the meaning of life with your dog.

had loads of great chats with dogs!
As an aside ... used to live in Norden ... miss those bleak Pennines sometimes, loved my mountain biking and was always up Lee Quarry, used to ride up to the Whitehouse (think thats the pubs name?) and then mess around on the moors before hooning back down Rooley Moor, enjoyed my time there.

 

[Onenoodles]

I had a 2016 DCT AT for a couple years. The DCT was ok when I didn't care about what gear I was in (commuting, highway droning) but for fun riding when I cared, it rarely shifted when I wanted it to. So I also left it in manual mode. One day it just decided to stop downshifting and stranded me. That and the intermittent stalling issue I was having led me to sell it and I got another S10. While I owned the AT, the fuel pump, headlight switch and idle control valve also broke. The Yamaha's quality is on a different level.

I didn't really have it long enough but the weekend I sold it I tried the rear shock 'dial' and it was locked solid ... luckily enough there are a few Youtube vids on a work around so it must be pretty common. As I said ... the new 1100 in red, white and blue is a head turner but been there and done it now and won't be going back to an AT.

 

[Onenoodles]

People diss a 21" wheel. I might not utilize it on the S10, and probably not the AT, but love them for smaller or more dirt oriented DS bikes. Around my terrain anyway.

I can see why off road, no question ... it was the same when they started to increase the wheel size on mountain bikes i.e. 26" to 27.5" and then 29'rs and yes no doubt that when I tried a 29'er it rolled over stuff so much easier and quick but looked like a circus bike to me and so I reverted back to 26" even though it was harder, daft really but I guess its what you get used to? My AT always looked like the front wheel out of sync with the bike.

 

[twinrider]

I didn't really have it long enough but the weekend I sold it I tried the rear shock 'dial' and it was locked solid ... luckily enough there are a few Youtube vids on a work around so it must be pretty common. As I said ... the new 1100 in red, white and blue is a head turner but been there and done it now and won't be going back to an AT.

That issue was prevalent enough that someone offered an aftermarket knob for it.

It was the only bike I've had that adding camping gear for a trip resulted in the front getting really light and shaking when I was going around turns. Could be undersprung suspension or maybe Honda tried too hard to make the bike nimble with the 21" wheel, at the price of stability.

 

[Onenoodles]

That issue was prevalent enough that someone offered an aftermarket knob for it.

It was the only bike I've had that adding camping gear for a trip resulted in the front getting really light and shaking when I was going around turns. Could be undersprung suspension or maybe Honda tried too hard to make the bike nimble with the 21" wheel, at the price of stability.

Wow ... not what you would want or expect!
I had massive expectations of it, AT owners seemed very positive (though we all often defend our choices I guess?) Some of it seemed really poorly thought out and the way they stuffed the battery where they did annoyed more than it should have really
When I sold it for the S10 I was still a little unsure that I may have tried to get to love it ... I liked the cockpit, the bars and the general layout felt modern and my 2014 S10 looked a little dated at first, but after my first decent ride out then I knew I had made the right move.

 

[twinrider]

Wow ... not what you would want or expect!
I had massive expectations of it, AT owners seemed very positive (though we all often defend our choices I guess?) Some of it seemed really poorly thought out and the way they stuffed the battery where they did annoyed more than it should have really
When I sold it for the S10 I was still a little unsure that I may have tried to get to love it ... I liked the cockpit, the bars and the general layout felt modern and my 2014 S10 looked a little dated at first, but after my first decent ride out then I knew I had made the right move.

I liked mine a lot at first and the handling loaded was just an annoyance at that point. But then the intermittent stalling began when pulling away from stops, other issues cropped up and then the DCT crapped out. The dealer couldn't solve the stalling issue and when Honda said it was a "big twin characteristic and not a flaw," I had enough...

 

[Longdog Cymru]

I’d be looking at the KTM 1290S, the S1000XR, the new Tracer 9 GT, perhaps even the newest version of the big VStrom. There might be others, they’re just off the top of my head. I also quite like the Z1000SX, but I think it’d be too cramped for me. I also quite like the 1050 Tiger, was hoping a new one would appear, however the last version was a nice and very capable bike.

I don’t go off road at all, so don’t really need a true adventure bike, however they fit my frame well and I quite like the way they look and ride. I’ve had an adventure bike since 2003, but I have no loyalty whatsoever to any brand.

I like all of these bikes too, but I would definitely add the Kawasaki Versys 1000 to your list. I had a Gen 1 Versys 1000 for 5 years and it was an amazing bike with a fantastic motor. I still miss that bike!

 

[ballisticexchris]

I am not an Africa Twin fan, but Africa Twins have had a bolt-on subframe for about 2 years at least. In fact, one of the U.K. bike mags put an Africa Twin into a ditch over a year ago and it was only the bolt-on subframe that saved it from being an insurance right-off.

That's very cool! I remember swinging a leg over the AT Sports version and really liked the ergos and comfort. The separate subframe is a big deal and a great selling point.

 

[Onenoodles]

I like all of these bikes too, but I would definitely add the Kawasaki Versys 1000 to your list. I had a Gen 1 Versys 1000 for 5 years and it was an amazing bike with a fantastic motor. I still miss that bike!

I know what you mean ... I had 3 ZZR1400's because everytime I bought any other bike in between (and I did often) I just could not get over the Kawa engine, stonking and addictive power and nothing matched it ... it was like a drug and I had to wean myself off and to be fair 6 penalty points helped

 

[PhilPhilippines]

I know what you mean ... I had 3 ZZR1400's because everytime I bought any other bike in between (and I did often) I just could not get over the Kawa engine, stonking and addictive power and nothing matched it ... it was like a drug and I had to wean myself off and to be fair 6 penalty points helped

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