Instantly 15 more free HP
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RED CAT
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Tried flicking the Clutch Switch Mod off and on at top speed in 6th to see if I would notice the supposed 21 degree timing advance. NO difference in sound, acceleration or speed. Really doubt it a 21 degree advance.
Doubt whatever you like. It's there.RED CAT said:
It really doesn't matter to me. It's your bike, do as you wish. The FACTS have been presented.
http://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?topic=9016.msg149667#msg149667
ac
NoMorBills
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As seen on only one dyno run! Really! Not Fact,, The clutch switch just removes the delay on the throttle,, only,, no changes in timing or fueling.
Thats my facts and I am an expert, just ask me.
My Opinion only not for repost and don't try this at home.
Thats my facts and I am an expert, just ask me.
My Opinion only not for repost and don't try this at home.
Interesting. I know that to not be 100% true.NoMorBills said:
Yamaha uses gear based timing. The CJM locks the ecu into "neutral/clutch".
Therefore it is 100% IMPOSSIBLE that there is "no" change in timing with the CJM.
ac
Yea, it was AC that reported these timing settings while he actually viewed the ECU (OEM) "clutch map". (I'm probably using terrible terminology)
That report was what I was quoting from memory.
Keep in mind that it is somewhat unlikely for someone to be riding their Tenere within the VERY NARROW parameters that show this extreme advanced timing, as I understand it. But what was asked by the OP, drew my response. Just wanted him to know what was reported by a very knowledgeable forum member, on this specific subject.
AC has gone over the ECU code extensively. He's a freaking ECU nerd. (I mean that with respect, of course)
That report was what I was quoting from memory.
Keep in mind that it is somewhat unlikely for someone to be riding their Tenere within the VERY NARROW parameters that show this extreme advanced timing, as I understand it. But what was asked by the OP, drew my response. Just wanted him to know what was reported by a very knowledgeable forum member, on this specific subject.
AC has gone over the ECU code extensively. He's a freaking ECU nerd. (I mean that with respect, of course)
It should be known that I personally have not reviewed every last 0 and 1 in the ECU. All of that credit belongs to FT. I have simply reported what they have found.snakebitten said:
I have also personally experienced audible pinging under the exact conditions I would expect to based on the claimed/presented timing map.
It is merely information presented. It is up to each member to determine what to do with the info.
ac
MidlifeMotor
Member
Snake and others, thanks for the input. I never ride at WOT anyway, just not my style, not that I don't like kicking it up there speed wise, just don't gun engine 100 percent. 90 percent plus, yes, just never fully cranked. I was just after any documented info on long term effects which were not anticipated when the CJM was first being done.
I am gonna throw a fuse in and try it. I sometimes get a little frustrated with the choppy throttle response off idle. I like to cut bar locking turns at very slow speeds on asphalt similar to turns I make on my Concours. I have never been able to get the Tenere to feel as smooth. Part of this is mental because if I drop the Tenere it's my bike and my damage. My Concours is equipped with a pretty sophisticated drop bar system where I can literally push it over and it will not be damaged.
Thanks again for the feedback.
I am gonna throw a fuse in and try it. I sometimes get a little frustrated with the choppy throttle response off idle. I like to cut bar locking turns at very slow speeds on asphalt similar to turns I make on my Concours. I have never been able to get the Tenere to feel as smooth. Part of this is mental because if I drop the Tenere it's my bike and my damage. My Concours is equipped with a pretty sophisticated drop bar system where I can literally push it over and it will not be damaged.
Thanks again for the feedback.
No worries!
Yea, I'm not one to twist the throttle ALL the way either. Even when hooliganing, I wouldn't make the effort to roll the wrist that far.
I liked the clutch mod before I got reflashed. I never felt it smoothed things much. But it DID kill the stumble for me. (something I had disdain for)
Regardless, save up a few bucks and get flashed. It really is the key to unlocking this beast. It's an amazing transformation.
Yea, I'm not one to twist the throttle ALL the way either. Even when hooliganing, I wouldn't make the effort to roll the wrist that far.
I liked the clutch mod before I got reflashed. I never felt it smoothed things much. But it DID kill the stumble for me. (something I had disdain for)
Regardless, save up a few bucks and get flashed. It really is the key to unlocking this beast. It's an amazing transformation.
Juan Valderrama
Member
Have someone besides me try the CJM on a 2014?
Juan Valderrama
XT1200Z
Broadcasting from Bogotá - Colombia.
Juan Valderrama
XT1200Z
Broadcasting from Bogotá - Colombia.
Kiwi Graham
New Member
Well finally got round the the CJM clutch switch bridge wire thingy.
I felt an instant improvement as so many have described, no hesitation on take off and much smoother fueling at low revs.
Interstingly although the bike will start in gear, it wont if the side stand is down. likewise if you attempt to engage a gear with the stand down it will instantly cut out......as it should so not all of the safety issues relating to this mod dissappear
I felt an instant improvement as so many have described, no hesitation on take off and much smoother fueling at low revs.
Interstingly although the bike will start in gear, it wont if the side stand is down. likewise if you attempt to engage a gear with the stand down it will instantly cut out......as it should so not all of the safety issues relating to this mod dissappear
SixdayMike
New Member
I had read about the CJM before buying a Super Ten. About two weeks ago I picked up my 2012 with 12,000 miles on it and rode it home from Georgia to Oklahoma. The bike was jerky in S mode and sluggish in the T. After riding about 200 miles in back roads of Georgia and Alabama I stopped at an auto parts and bought a fifty cent mini fuse and installed it in the clutch switch. WOW! Way smoother and faster feeling. The MPG is the same. There is now no difference between the T and the S mode that I can tell, but for me it’s just perfect as it is with the fuse installed. I wonder if this 50 cent mod is doing the same thing as the ECU refresh does?
I'm a bit confused. If there's no difference now between T and S modes why wouldn't you just leave it in S?SixdayMike said:
Kevin
SixdayMike
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What I mean to say is that with the fuse in place, (CJM) there is no difference between the T and S mode that I can feel (that option seems to have been eliminated). With the CJM I have complete control of throttle response instead of the ECU’s programed throttle response. The bike is now just as quick or slow responding as I want it to be, whereas before it was too slow on the T mode and too jerky on the S mode.
I don’t think there is any real power gain, just smoother and better control, which for me makes it a much nicer motorcycle.
I don’t think there is any real power gain, just smoother and better control, which for me makes it a much nicer motorcycle.
Ah OK, thanks. That makes sense to me now
Kevin
Kevin
Take it from any one of us that have tried both, the CJM is absolutely nothing like a reflash.SixdayMike said:
SixdayMike
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"Take it from any one of us that have tried both, the CJM is absolutely nothing like a reflash."
That's good to hear, cause that means there's even better things to come.
That's good to hear, cause that means there's even better things to come.
SixdayMike
New Member
DOES the re-flash affect the gas mileage??
A lot have said it improved their mileage. I pretty much ignore mileage most of the time, but I have noticed that the average on the dash, (which I never reset), used to say 38mpg as average, and now reads 42mpg average post flash.SixdayMike said:
Maybe my riding style has changed a little, maybe it got better as the engine broke in, or maybe it was the flash, who knows.