mybackhurts
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For sure.
Now the companies are taking it waay too far and lobbying the middle and lower class out of affordable transportation and work vehicles all together.
Prob other factors I'm overlooking too.
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Now the companies are taking it waay too far and lobbying the middle and lower class out of affordable transportation and work vehicles all together.
Prob other factors I'm overlooking too.
mybackhurts
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That's an up model nissan versa with all the fixings these days.
You need another 10 grand to get into a shitty truck. That's being generous.
New Dodge Tradesman quad-cab; $43K
mybackhurts
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That's alot of money for what you get.
Just not gonna rise to most of what you're posting.
Because I think many others would be interested, a burning EV can be put out quickly - depending on two things.
First is whether the department has been trained. There are more than a million firefighters in the US and we (I do research with NFPA) know that only 1/4-1/3 have any EV training. When we read/hear about fires lasting for really long periods and needs 20-30,000 gallons we know the crew didn't have training.
Second is how fast the response is. Fires start slow as smoke events and if propagating move module to module. (Actually most self-extinguish in the first module.) If trained responders arrive in the initial stages it can be put out with less than a 500 gallon tanker. The problem is that all cars, EV and ICE, are now 40% or more plastic. Once that ignites then a trained crew uses about 1,600 gallons for the average ICE fire and puts out in less than 10 minutes while the average EV takes 3,000 gallons in 47 minutes.
The other issue is reignition because 13% of EVs reignite at least once and frequently twice. Once loading onto the flatbed and once unloading, because the internal battery conductors are able to short stranded energy (live cells) to the casing.
PSA for anybody with a Jeep Wrangler 4xe hybrid AND Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe models (note the unique blue tow hooks and charge port ahead of driver mirror):
There is another set of bad Panasonic cells causing fires so keep them parked away from structures and just let the gas engine charge them while driving, do not plug them in.
The first batch and recall was over a year ago and Stellantis is working on how to manage the recall for this batch.
media.stellantisnorthamerica.com
There is another set of bad Panasonic cells causing fires so keep them parked away from structures and just let the gas engine charge them while driving, do not plug them in.
The first batch and recall was over a year ago and Stellantis is working on how to manage the recall for this batch.
Stellantis Media - Statement: PHEV Fire Risk Advisory
This recall affects certain model-year 2020-2024 Jeep® Wrangler 4xe and 2022-2024 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe SUVs.
media.stellantisnorthamerica.com
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The media has been reporting on the dangers of EVs coming in contact with the sea water. Which is odd because they're all about supporting the current administration's push for EVs. But on the other hand, they love to up the drama because bad news sell.
I wonder if that's why they're selling well below MSRP ($53K) Like $10k below. Unlike the ICE Wrangler. Once again even though the ICE version start at $32K, you will not find one on a dealer's lot for less than $36K because nobody wants the "base" model.
Unfortunately the issue with sea water is real and is worse than for fresh water. Once inside, salt water is much more aggressive at attacking the internal components, while you have a chance of fresh water simply drying out.
The batteries are supposed to sealed well enough to prevent water intrusion. Heck, the Cyber Truck uses the air pump that lifts and lowers the suspension to put positive pressure in the battery case for stream crossings. But this is another area we are behind China which has required proof of meeting IP 67 (iirc) submersion since floods about 10 years ago. Unfortunately, there are no requirements on the Western car makers so they only design to IP65 or 66, which basically means "powerful jets of water."
Worse, NHTSA bought a dozen cars after Hurricane Ian to see whether they leaked and as I recall, more than 80% had failed.
If anybody reading this has an EV that has been submerged(fresh or salt), absolutely keep it outside and don't start or charge it till having it inspected by a dealer.
mybackhurts
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Why not? Tired of name calling already?
The prob I see I that by the time FD is responding these things are already blazing and throw out white hot sparks till the point they explode. Doesn't seem like water does a thing at that point and the tactic at that point is the drag the vehicle somewhere safe to burn out.
There's been a real upsurge of apartment fires in NYC because of the lithium batteries on e bikes and scooters. 14 deaths 114 injuries last year. Numbers only brought down by a city wide push to crack down and raise awareness.
A power source that can easily turn into a bomb maybe isn't the best choice for something designed to keep passengers alive in a crash. How are crumple zones supposed to work when part of your frame is batteries?
Then you follow up your post showing another prime example of a ticking time bomb thanks to that world renound fiat quality.
Nothing to see here. Just a few people saving the planet
Lets remember when vehicles did not have seatbelts, air bags, decent brakes and tyres. They did have a nice steering wheel to smash your face in though. Things will get ironed out in time its still a very young industry.
Would purple K powder work on them. Is it still even used? We had it on the subs, but it was supposed to destroy an electrical panel.
mybackhurts
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I like four wheel drums and no seatbelts. Reminds me I was alive. Maybe people wouldn't drive so bad if it meant you melt your face into your dash or just get ejected.
Jokes aside I understand what you are getting at. I like to remain critical even when I see things I like.
Nope. I am not a fan of most new tech on cars. Disc brakes, seatbelts, car seats, and believe it or not, backup cameras. . . . big fan of. When I started driving, in WA, I don't even remember if seatbelts were required by law. I used them because I could go around corners faster when the belts kept me from sliding all the way across those huge bench seats.
Which, speaking of, are another advancement I support. You're likely too young to have ridden in a front bench seat. Other than an older pick-up.
mybackhurts
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Agreed disc's, belts, airbags, backup cameras all good. My point is the hundreds of computers in every car.Nope. I am not a fan of most new tech on cars. Disc brakes, seatbelts, car seats, and believe it or not, backup cameras. . . . big fan of. When I started driving, in WA, I don't even remember if seatbelts were required by law. I used them because I could go around corners faster when the belts kept me from sliding all the way across those huge bench seats.
Rode back of pickup trucks. Suicide bench seats in the trunks of wagons. Carbuators and weirdo cars like wankle wagons and saabs. Had my fair share of death trap tin cans with manual everything.
I was just joking about safety stuff lol. Highway statistics speak for themselves.
Just the rest of the tech that I can do without.
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mybackhurts
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I don't think you should put purple power on your hoagies man...
Yes. My wife's new CX-50 has all that "dumb ass driver stuff" as I refer to it as. Stay in your lane, car approaching from behind, and the worst . . . . keep two hands on the wheel at 10 & 2. Seriously? Apparently not intended for manual trans cars.
mybackhurts
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Prob a dial by the volume knob as a shifter lol.
No, but there is a huge dial next to the shifter that controls just about everything thing else. My sister-n-law has a Lexus that has a shift knob but still requires a button push to put it in Park.
Otherwise it stays in gear. What could go wrong?