Electrified

[Sierra1]

We're getting better, but it was not so long ago it wasn't.

 

[scott123007]

I could be wrong, but I thought the whole idea of EV's and pollution was a containment issue. ICE vehicle's are relatively clean burning now, but still spew what pollution they have all over the place. Assuming non renewable energy is creating the electricity for charging EV's, it is at least it is in one place and is a lot easier contain or control.

 

[fac191]

Way before Al Qaeda or Isis.

Are they Bank Robbers ?

 

[Sierra1]

Are they Bank Robbers ?

Among other things.

 

[Checkswrecks]

I could be wrong, but I thought the whole idea of EV's and pollution was a containment issue. ICE vehicle's are relatively clean burning now, but still spew what pollution they have all over the place. Assuming non renewable energy is creating the electricity for charging EV's, it is at least it is in one place and is a lot easier contain or control.

Originally the justification for the EV push was to meet international agreements about emissions, so the gummint was throwing out a lot of subsidy money. Things have changed now that the price of batteries has fallen close to 90% and it can cost less to make an EV than ICE vehicle. Unfortunately the cost of basic labor and materials has risen enough that both are beyond what more and more people can afford. (Like eggs and bread)

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . it is at least it is in one place and is a lot easier contain or control.

Apparently, the state of Texas thinks the same way. Of our 254 counties, only 17 have emissions testing. I guess they think that our perpetual South wind isn't going to blow the "bad air" out of one county into the next. And all the pollution knows to stay in its own county.

It was always my understanding that EVs were expected to save the planet since those nasty ICEVs were causing global warming.

 

[Checkswrecks]

It was always my understanding that EVs were expected to save the planet since those nasty ICEVs were causing global warming.

Yup. Below are some of what the UN agreements were based in as the need to reduce emissions.

But in the end, I have the electric car because it fits for most of my needs and is saving me a LOT of money.

 

[fac191]

Yup. Below are some of what the UN agreements were based in as the need to reduce emissions.

But in the end, I have the electric car because it fits for most of my needs and is saving me a LOT of money.

Looking at the spike around WW2 we should be doing better preventing wars.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . But in the end, I have the electric car because it fits for most of my needs and is saving me a LOT of money.

That should be the only determining factor(s) for people choosing them. No mandates.

Looking at the spike around WW2 we should be doing better preventing wars.

I don't know. WWI and Vietnam look like low spikes. And between mustard gas, napalm and agent orange, I would have expected higher levels. Even when Sadam was burning his oil wells looks like a low phase.

 

[fac191]

That should be the only determining factor(s) for people choosing them. No mandates.

I don't know. WWI and Vietnam look like low spikes. And between mustard gas, napalm and agent orange, I would have expected higher levels. Even when Sadam was burning his oil wells looks like a low phase.

I think WW2 was so much bigger and alot of fossil fuels were burned just making the weapons of war. It was war on an industrial scale.

 

[holligl]

Driving to Colorado a few weeks ago we saw huge train after huge train filled with coal heading east. Undoubtedly, most of that carbon was headed to electricity production. It is ironic that California will be requiring EVs but has not addressed their electrical grid to support them. I read an article a year ago where a journalist tested the Tesla routing and charging. He was greatly disappointed when he discovered the remote charging station in California was powered by a diesel generator. How carbon neutral is that?

I have ridden several electric motorcycles and they are a blast, but until fast charging and range issues are fixed they are a novelty.

EVs make some sense if you have a solar panel on your roof and a reasonable daily commute. But I'm not sure you can dig out of the hole dug with the mining and production impacts of the batteries.

Global warming is real. Old habits are hard to break. I for one, will keep on ridin'.

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[mybackhurts]

Driving to Colorado a few weeks ago we saw huge train after huge train filled with coal heading east. Undoubtedly, most of that carbon was headed to electricity production. It is ironic that California will be requiring EVs but has not addressed their electrical grid to support them. I read an article a year ago where a journalist tested the Tesla routing and charging. He was greatly disappointed when he discovered the remote charging station in California was powered by a diesel generator. How carbon neutral is that?

I have ridden several electric motorcycles and they are a blast, but until fast charging and range issues are fixed they are a novelty.

EVs make some sense if you have a solar panel on your roof and a reasonable daily commute. But I'm not sure you can dig out of the hole dug with the mining and production impacts of the batteries.

Global warming is real. Old habits are hard to break. I for one, will keep on ridin'.

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My main concern with the EV industry is the mining of rare earths. Congo, Russia, China, and so on...

How is financing dirt bags good for the planet? Wars are being fought for resources. It will get worse and worse as the planet continues to heat up.

I was passionate in the 90's about this s***. People treated me like an a****** when I was quoting oil companies own research into the long term effects.

Somehow they spun it and made it our (the working man's) problem. As if it wasn't the ultra sociopath rich plundering the planet for themselves.

If you drive a tesla and think you are saving the planet just remember all those batteries are one big blood diamond, sold by the son of wealthy South African jewelers, who weasled his way into the defense and space industry to play cowboy.


Don't get me started on the acidification of our oceans. I'm reeeeeeal fun at parties.

 

[mybackhurts]

That should be the only determining factor(s) for people choosing them. No mandates.

I don't know. WWI and Vietnam look like low spikes. And between mustard gas, napalm and agent orange, I would have expected higher levels. Even when Sadam was burning his oil wells looks like a low phase.

Yeah but it only trends up.

 

[mybackhurts]

Trust your heart boys.

 

[Checkswrecks]

My main concern with the EV industry is the mining of rare earths. Congo, Russia, China, and so on...

How is financing dirt bags good for the planet? Wars are being fought for resources. It will get worse and worse as the planet continues to heat up.

I was passionate in the 90's about this s***. People treated me like an a****** when I was quoting oil companies own research into the long term effects.

Somehow they spun it and made it our (the working man's) problem. As if it wasn't the ultra sociopath rich plundering the planet for themselves.

If you drive a tesla and think you are saving the planet just remember all those batteries are one big blood diamond, sold by the son of wealthy South African jewelers, who weasled his way into the defense and space industry to play cowboy.
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Don't get me started on the acidification of our oceans. I'm reeeeeeal fun at parties.

Time to wake up and come into the modern age of batteries because literally every car company is running as hard as they can from needing nickel and cobalt. Nickel largely comes from Russia and cobalt both is too expensive to compete on price plus has a pesky fire problem.

The auto industry is overwhelmingly going lithium iron phosphate because it is the only way to on cost. The lithium is mined all over the world, including huge reserves in North Carolina and Utah. Iron is everywhere and the phosphate is the base chemical in common fertilizer. The battery windings and cases are largely aluminum and copper, which are two of the most recycled metals in existence after steel.

And since you are so concerned about the environment, remember that energy is energy regardless of the means to make it. My electric car gets 139 e-mpg and never needs an oil change. What is the mpg of what you drive?

 

[mybackhurts]

Time to wake up and come into the modern age of batteries because literally every car company is running as hard as they can from needing nickel and cobalt. Nickel largely comes from Russia and cobalt both is too expensive to compete on price plus has a pesky fire problem.

The auto industry is overwhelmingly going lithium iron phosphate because it is the only way to on cost. The lithium is mined all over the world, including huge reserves in North Carolina and Utah. Iron is everywhere and the phosphate is the base chemical in common fertilizer. The battery windings and cases are largely aluminum and copper, which are two of the most recycled metals in existence after steel.

And since you are so concerned about the environment, remember that energy is energy regardless of the means to make it. My electric car gets 139 e-mpg and never needs an oil change. What is the mpg of what you drive?

You don't think I don't understand the shift to lithium? Go ask your fire department what it's like dealing with all that.

Batteries are only a small part of the issue.

My comment was directed at the world in general not you.

If you have to know I drive a 22 year old toyota 4Runner with 236xxxmi that cost me 2500 bucks. Go ahead and preach to me how the new factories, mfg, mines, assembly plants for your Prius is offsetting your carbon footprint.

The STenere is my daily tho.

Triggered much?

 

[Checkswrecks]

You don't think I don't understand the shift to lithium? Go ask your fire department what it's like dealing with all that.

Batteries are only a small part of the issue.

My comment was directed at the world in general not you.

If you have to know I drive a 22 year old toyota 4Runner with 236xxxmi that cost me 2500 bucks. Go ahead and preach to me how the new factories, mfg, mines, assembly plants for your Prius is offsetting your carbon footprint.

The STenere is my daily tho.

Triggered much?

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Triggered no, but teaching EV firefighting and investigating failures are my business. There's not much new you can show me.
I just get tired of bull**** self-righteous increasingly obsolete comments such as your

"My main concern with the EV industry is the mining of rare earths. Congo, Russia, China, and so on...
... just remember all those batteries are one big blood diamond..."

And try to help folks understand why.

That old 4Runner was a great vehicle in its day but sooner or later will need to be replaced. Same with my 2016 Ford Transit.
But it now costs less to build an EV than an ICE vehicle because the cost of battery tech has fallen so much.
fwiw - I drive a 4 year old Chevy Bolt that I bought brand new for $20k, not a Prius or Tesla. Everything is labeled so I can use it to teach firefighting classes.

 

[mybackhurts]

Triggered no, but teaching EV firefighting and investigating failures are my business. There's not much new you can show me.
I just get tired of bull**** self-righteous increasingly obsolete comments such as your

"My main concern with the EV industry is the mining of rare earths. Congo, Russia, China, and so on...
... just remember all those batteries are one big blood diamond..."

And try to help folks understand why.

That old 4Runner was a great vehicle in its day but sooner or later will need to be replaced. Same with my 2016 Ford Transit.
But it now costs less to build an EV than an ICE vehicle because the cost of battery tech has fallen so much.
fwiw - I drive a 4 year old Chevy Bolt that I bought brand new for $20k, not a Prius or Tesla.

Then you know exactly what I'm talking about so stop playing like because you drive an EV you a apart of the solution and not just another consumer looking for the latest and greatest.

How many days on average do they burn for before water has any effect? Seems like every time FD is powerless. Lets watch all the teslas in florida exposed to salt water starting to pop...

Am I self righteous or spitting cold hard truths you are unable to comprehend because you have been huffing your own farts about EV's. Get over yourself bud. Grow up and learn how to discuss things like an adult.

FYI

I have no problem with EV cars. I think it's the right step foward. However, I don't think as it stands we are doing the planet any favors. It's the pot calling the tea kettle black.

Don't get me started on the right to repair issues with these RC cars.

Cuba would like to have a word with you regarding me throwing out a rust free 4Runner because it's old. Just depends how much work you are willing to do.

 

[mybackhurts]

Originally the justification for the EV push was to meet international agreements about emissions, so the gummint was throwing out a lot of subsidy money. Things have changed now that the price of batteries has fallen close to 90% and it can cost less to make an EV than ICE vehicle. Unfortunately the cost of basic labor and materials has risen enough that both are beyond what more and more people can afford. (Like eggs and bread)

In the US they over mandate expensive safety stuff. That's why we don't get kei cars/trucks. No true base models work truck anymore either.

Cheapest car we have is like 17 grand.... It's fucking bullshit.

Not to metion epa stuff.

Been getting worse and worse since I was a child.

 

[Sierra1]

. . . . No true base models work truck anymore either. . . .

A lot of that is our, the consumers, fault. My last truck was a manual everything including transmission; $19,500 in '04. My R6 kid has it now.