ECUnleashed Gen2 - RESULTS ONLY

[pqsqac]

This was a interesting response from ECUnleashed to my email request. The part about this doesn't affect Touring mode at all. I was under the impression folks felt a difference in Touring mode but maybe that shows how bad Sport mode was restricted. Just a thought.

Hello Vince,
Thank you for your inquiry. We have a great Tune File available for the 2012 Super Tenere. We work on each of the internal parameters of each ECU including, removing any factory restrictions (ignition and/or throttle), optimize fuel and ignition curves, deceleration maps, throttle maps, rev limit,and many more. This allows us to maximize horsepower while also significantly improving the ride-ability and control of the bike. Plus we are able to accommodate for modifications that have been done to the bike (ie exhaust system, intake, etc).

Details on the XT reflash and its benefits -
Our reflash effects the Sport mode only, leaving the Touring mode stock for rain, off-road and situations in which traction is more critical than power.

The flash offers great horsepower gains throughout the the RPM and in all gears ......but really shines in the mid-range with gains of up to 12 HP, where a majority of Tenere riders will spend most of their time. The overall power gains range anywhere from +4-12hp with no additional modifications. The smaller 3-4 HP gains are at the top of the rpm range which is still good considering this bike is not really meant for huge top end power.

The flash is beneficial on many levels from power to the much improved ride-ability and predictable of the on/off throttle characteristics due to our tuned deceleration maps. Here is an excerpt from our FAQ Page which specifically address the power limitations/struggle the Super Tenere is known to have in its first 3 gears:

My bike has an irritating jerkiness or delay with the on/off throttle at certain RPM. Can the ECUnleashed ECU Service fix this problem?? In each of the ECU parameters (Fuel, Ignition, etc) we have the ability to tune each maps, in each gear, at each RPM. We develop our Tune Files not only for maximum power increase but we also significantly smooth out the power/torque curves making the bike more consistent feeling. This helps a ton with the jerky on/off throttle that is notorious in most modern sportbikes. It helps eliminate upsetting the chassis during mid corner throttle corrections, while also assisting in corner entry and exit. We also work on the deceleration maps which considerably helps corner entry. It reduces the amount of engine braking that comes on when decelerating for a corner.


Attached are a few different dyno graphs showing gains in different gears. There were no additional mods besides the ECU flash. Also offered are the standard adjustments like, extended rev limit, remove top speed limiter, etc. You can also see our Tune of the Month for August 2011, which featured the XT1200 Super Tenere for additional results from the reflash.


If you would like to move forward with the reflash, please contact our Authorized Tuning Center in Florida, Superbike Toy Store. They are a great company and can take care of the reflash for you. Reach out to them for service and shipping procedures. Thank You!

-ECUnleashed Staff

 

[avc8130]

This was a interesting response from ECUnleashed to my email request. The part about this doesn't affect Touring mode at all. I was under the impression folks felt a difference in Touring mode but maybe that shows how bad Sport mode was restricted. Just a thought.

Are you really surprised? This is a "results only" thread with a bunch of SUBJECTIVE data. Can you say "placebo"?

Keep re-reading his email and take a moment to digest it. "The smaller 3-4 HP gains are at the top of the rpm range which is still good considering this bike is not really meant for huge top end power"...followed by..."extended rev limit"...coupled with...".but really shines in the mid-range with gains of up to 12 HP, where a majority of Tenere riders will spend most of their time"

"Plus we are able to accommodate for modifications that have been done to the bike (ie exhaust system, intake, etc)." While we know this to be TECHNICALLY possible, we also know REALISTICALLY it doesn't "work". The guys with the flash STILL report surging with exhaust mods. What intake "mods" can they compensate for? Up until 2 weeks ago no one was even modifying intakes on a Tenere!

There is so much "corporate boiler plate" in that response you don't even know what you are getting.

ac

 

[avc8130]

But when done right what the hell you need a flash for.

Oh, I don't know...how about to GET FULL THROTTLE? ::005::

ac

 

[pqsqac]

I know where you stand AC with your magical harness but you don't have bad mouth the unleashed version like you do. Folks have different needs and different wants. It doesn't make one better than the other just gives us more choices. I just sent my ecu to A1 Racing to unleash the beast. If you're not careful your going to become another Dallara
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[Ramseybella]

::017::

 

[snakebitten]

Not sure there is any one single Tenere farkle that has had such universal praise as the "Gen2" Unleashed flash. Not one!

However, that doesn't mean there won't be a relentless pursuit to improve upon it.
It's a peculiar trait of our species.

I marvel at it. I encourage it.

 

[avc8130]

I know where you stand AC with your magical harness but you don't have bad mouth the unleashed version like you do. Folks have different needs and different wants. It doesn't make one better than the other just gives us more choices. I just sent my ecu to A1 Racing to unleash the beast. If you're not careful your going to become another Dallara
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I didn't mean to bad mouth it, but I just wish they would get their own marketing straight and come clean with what they do.

Do they raise the rev limit? Is that REALLY a good idea?

They CLAIM they can customize for exhaust/intake mods, but NO ONE has posted it is correct.

For a stock bike, I am 100% positive it is absolutely awesome. For anyone tinkering beyond that, I think they need a bit more than a canned flash.

As Snake said, universal praise from EVERYONE with a stock bike.

Of course, with guys claiming "T Mode feels better" and ECU-U claiming "we don't touch T Mode"...I really don't know what to believe! LOL

ac

PS: Really nothing "magic" about the harness. You pay your money, you install it, you flash.

 

[AlsoRan]

This was a interesting response from ECUnleashed to my email request. The part about this doesn't affect Touring mode at all. I was under the impression folks felt a difference in Touring mode but maybe that shows how bad Sport mode was restricted. Just a thought.

I've had four touring modes - stock, the first and second re-flashes and a custom. Each have there differences but the latest T that you get with the Gen-2 upgrade is very close to stock if not identical. It is a drop in performance from the first re-flash. The first really was a de-tuned S which gave a nice boost to T's performance. Could be some reported on that difference.

 

[avc8130]

I've had four touring modes - stock, the first and second re-flashes and a custom. Each have there differences but the latest T that you get with the Gen-2 upgrade is very close to stock if not identical. It is a drop in performance from the first re-flash. The first really was a de-tuned S which gave a nice boost to T's performance. Could be some reported on that difference.

The other thing is no one really knows when things are changed. ECU-U controls the configuration. They might be tweaking the map and while they chose to tell customers about "Gen 2", they might be on 3, 4, or even 40 and may not do an official press release.

ac

 

[Yzhogman]

I sent mine to Synmoto in Richmond BC. They subsequently had to forward it to EcUnleashed because EcUnleashed need to prepare a unique Canadian re-flash. I assume I was the first Canadian customer. Synmoto told me, " ECUnleahed has not seen the Canadian Model ECU for your bike and are going to need the read file from the ECU. In order for them to do that, they would need to cut a couple of holes into the ECU. " I agreed to be the guinea pig. My ECU is supposedly on the way back to me. Hopefully, all will be good. Future Canadian re-flashes should be routine.

I found Synmoto to be responsive and would not hesitate to use them. My email contact is Brian Cheung.

John

Zuan,

Could you please keep us posted or pm me regarding your experience with Synmoto in Richmond. I'm in Brandon Manitoba and contacted them today by email. Haven't heard back from them yet but Id really like to know how it works out for you before I proceed. Any info would be appreciated.

 

[fredz43]

The other thing is no one really knows when things are changed. ECU-U controls the configuration. They might be tweaking the map and while they chose to tell customers about "Gen 2", they might be on 3, 4, or even 40 and may not do an official press release.

ac

As long as they offer a free upgrade like they did with the Gen 2, I'm up for that!

 

[avc8130]

As long as they offer a free upgrade like they did with the Gen 2, I'm up for that!

You might not even know...

ac

 

[fredz43]

You might not even know...

ac

Yeah, but what I don't know won't hurt me. I really appreciated their free Gen 2 update and if they don't ever offer another one free or otherwise, I am very happy. If they do, I will again trust that it is an improvement and take advantage of it.

BTW, I agree that the Gen 1 did affect T mode and made it closer to S to the point where it didn't make a big difference between modes. The Gen 2 puts T back to where it was originally was and S is much improved over stock or Gen 1 and now there is a big difference between modes and that is fine with me.

 

[Zuan]

Zuan,

Could you please keep us posted or pm me regarding your experience with Synmoto in Richmond. I'm in Brandon Manitoba and contacted them today by email. Haven't heard back from them yet but Id really like to know how it works out for you before I proceed. Any info would be appreciated.

I am still waiting to get my ECU back from EcUnleashed. My email contact at Synmoto is Brian Cheung. He has been responsive and has replied to each one of my emails but sometimes it may take a day or two or three. So far, my experience with Synmoto has been positive. Brian even acknowledged receipt of my ECU when it arrived. When I get the ECU back and have it installed, I will post my perceptions of the re-flash.


John

 

[pqsqac]

Zuan,
Looking forward to your report when you get it returned and reinstalled. I'm waiting for mine as well. It should be at AF1 Racing by Monday.

I am still waiting to get my ECU back from EcUnleashed. My email contact at Synmoto is Brian Cheung. He has been responsive and has replied to each one of my emails but sometimes it may take a day or two or three. So far, my experience with Synmoto has been positive. Brian even acknowledged receipt of my ECU when it arrived. When I get the ECU back and have it installed, I will post my perceptions of the re-flash.


John

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[Zuan]

Zuan,

Could you please keep us posted or pm me regarding your experience with Synmoto in Richmond. I'm in Brandon Manitoba and contacted them today by email. Haven't heard back from them yet but Id really like to know how it works out for you before I proceed. Any info would be appreciated.

Here is my update.

I finally received my ECU last Friday. I had reported earlier that Synmoto had forwarded my ECU to ECUnleashed in California. They had not seen a Canadian ECU so, they needed to read a file off my ECU before they would do the re-flash. I imagine they had to ensure that the re-flash would maintain any essential Canadian characteristics of an ECU.

The process was taking too long, so after my inquiry with Synmoto, they followed up with ECUnleashed. Reading between the lines, it seems to me that ECUnleashed left my ECU on the shelf for a couple of weeks and did not get at it until prompted by Synmoto. After that, the ECU was back in my hands within 3 days.

I have installed the ECU and have put on about 400 miles (600 km) since then. I am satisfied with the improvement. I have removed my CJM switch. It is not perfect, I still find the throttle on/off transitions to be somewhat abrupt and choppy. My surging issue has been eliminated. T mode is much the same as before but with much better off idle throttle response. Fuel mileage has improved by 5-10%. And it is obvious that power restrictions have been removed in S mode.

Prior to the re-flash, I had thought that I might trade in the Super Tenere for a FJR1300ES next Spring. Now, I am not so sure... I may keep the ST.

Finally, I would recommend Synmoto. They were responsive and did their best for me. They should be able to do future Canadian ECU re-flashes without needing to send the unit off site.

 

[Yzhogman]

Here is my update.

I finally received my ECU last Friday. I had reported earlier that Synmoto had forwarded my ECU to ECUnleashed in California. They had not seen a Canadian ECU so, they needed to read a file off my ECU before they would do the re-flash. I imagine they had to ensure that the re-flash would maintain any essential Canadian characteristics of an ECU.

The process was taking too long, so after my inquiry with Synmoto, they followed up with ECUnleashed. Reading between the lines, it seems to me that ECUnleashed left my ECU on the shelf for a couple of weeks and did not get at it until prompted by Synmoto. After that, the ECU was back in my hands within 3 days.

I have installed the ECU and have put on about 400 miles (600 km) since then. I am satisfied with the improvement. I have removed my CJM switch. It is not perfect, I still find the throttle on/off transitions to be somewhat abrupt and choppy. My surging issue has been eliminated. T mode is much the same as before but with much better off idle throttle response. Fuel mileage has improved by 5-10%. And it is obvious that power restrictions have been removed in S mode.

Prior to the re-flash, I had thought that I might trade in the Super Tenere for a FJR1300ES next Spring. Now, I am not so sure... I may keep the ST.

Finally, I would recommend Synmoto. They were responsive and did their best for me. They should be able to do future Canadian ECU re-flashes without needing to send the unit off site.

Thanks for the update Zuan. I still haven't received a response from Synmoto since my initial inquiry. Kind of disappointing. Would you mind passing along Brian Cheung's email address? Perhaps if I contacted him directly I would have more luck.
Finally, if you don't mind me saying, you seem somewhat less exuberant about the result then some of the other reports I've read in this thread. Was it worth it, in your opinion?

 

[Zuan]

Thanks for the update Zuan. I still haven't received a response from Synmoto since my initial inquiry. Kind of disappointing. Would you mind passing along Brian Cheung's email address? Perhaps if I contacted him directly I would have more luck.
Finally, if you don't mind me saying, you seem somewhat less exuberant about the result then some of the other reports I've read in this thread. Was it worth it, in your opinion?

You have a pm

 

[pqsqac]

For what it's worth I just installed my flashed ecu and if you plan on keeping the bike for a while then it is well worth the expense. The power gains aren't a blow your socks off type of ride but for this type of bike and how restricted it is the change is night and day. I have over 10,000 miles clicked off and should have done this mod earlier.

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[Boondocker]

I've been riding my Gen 2 flash for about a week, just the standard commuting so can't say that I've rung it out to discover all the changes.

S-Mode

• First impression is that the bike wants to squirt away from you, takes off right now.
  Roll-on power for passing anywhere in the mid RPM range seems more responsive.
  Throttle ramp-up is faster, as if the throttle travel went from 270º to 180º.

Secondary impressions:

• Before the flash, there was a disconcerting vibration around 3200 RPM, felt like something was rattling around...maybe valves. That vibe seems to be gone now.
  Downshifting is smoother. At first, I didn't want the reduced engine braking because after a lot of fully loaded mountain riding, I appreciate the strong engine braking when going downhill. The flip-side is that I often skidded the rear tire when aggressively downshifting for a turn. The downshifting thing is much smoother now. Haven't been able to assess the fully-loaded downhill engine control. Hopefully not too much of it's gone.
  In S-Mode, the engine note is smoother. Stock it was kind of rough and raspy. Now it's smoother and much peppier.

It still feels like there is a dip in power somewhere around 4K RPM, which pretty close to my shift point on relaxed acceleration. So it's as if I let off the throttle, then clutch, then shift, kind of lazy. I can work around it but have to alter my shifting style to do so.

T-Mode

• Feels smoother than stock and generally less boring.

Just to ring the bell again - I don't understand why Yamaha didn't tune it this way from the factory. This would have done so much to dispel the "boring power delivery" reputation that so many first-ride reviewers saddle the bike with.

Overall, this is a worthwhile and cost-effective modification to enhance drive-ability. It's also easy to do. Kudos to AF1 Racing for their primo customer service ::008::