cyclemike4
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I love a good two stroke bike. I would not want to ride one across the country though! haha.
Discontinuation of the S10?
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True but despite Dirt Dads continued good experience with the chain on his KTM 1290 I have no desire for my main street bike to be anything other than a shaft.
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I won't own a chain drive on a long distance bike EVER AGAIN.
I got stranded in a small town for a few days on a 2week road trip that ended abruptly when the chain failed and busted my engine case wide open.
Chain drive's belong on dirt bikes and small displacement motorcycles or local runners but not on tourer's, ADV long distance heavy big bike.
Each to their own but it was a big price to pay for a weight saving.
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I prefer shaft no doubt. This, is why I will keep my S10 for as long as I can. If it comes down to It, a GS or Africa twin will be next, provided a more suitable alternative does not reach the market.
While a chain is not Ideal it can be managed by the addition of an oiler, Spare chain and sprockets. Some of our group pack spare wheel bearings. One thing I like about the GS is rear wheel removal is a snap. Real time saver. Valve adjustment is much less of an ordeal. But I have been down the problematic premium motorcycle rabbit hole before with my Harley’s.
No sense worrying about it. I will chew that food when I have to.
While a chain is not Ideal it can be managed by the addition of an oiler, Spare chain and sprockets. Some of our group pack spare wheel bearings. One thing I like about the GS is rear wheel removal is a snap. Real time saver. Valve adjustment is much less of an ordeal. But I have been down the problematic premium motorcycle rabbit hole before with my Harley’s.
No sense worrying about it. I will chew that food when I have to.
Motorcycle Chains have come along way. For most people they really are not an issue anymore. On here we have many high mileage bikes which over their life will prove cheaper to run of course. But if your not doing that kind of mileage then i understand it. The Gold chains for instance don't rust.
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Because this thread is basically all speculation, I’ll add to the pile. LOL
One thing that I sometimes remember, back in 2012 I had some close relationships with people at yamaha @ corporate. I had talks with some of those folks about starting a new (BMW) style programs that (BMW) had already provided for so many years. This conversation went on for months. Long story short- they passed on that whole ‘culture’ opportunity.
I’m 100% speculating that they have had a 10-15-20 year plan for this bike from the start. This ST life span might be cast in stone many years ago, maybe from the start. It might be a topic they put little or no thought into. These decisions have been decided 8-10-12 years ago, possibly the reason they did not want to promote this segment like BMW? They knew the end, and when that is going to happen.
I really enjoy the Tenere, but it’s not the last bike I will ever own. I’ll keep traveling across the US and head and ride many more BDR routes. When the new 1400 GSA hits the market it will be the next bike I seriously look at. (Unless Yamaha really surprises me with a new ADV / BDR jewel….LOL)
Seriously doubt there is a revised (on par with the rest of the guys) bike in the works or on the way.
My gut tells me that many of you are on ‘track’ with the next ‘adventure’ type bike they will offer. A watered down touring bike that can do some gravel. They will provide for what most riders are 'doing' and want, mostly road with a bit of gravel.
Anyhow, it’s always fun to speculate and guess what these guys might do after so many years. We will all probably be sitting here 5-10 years from now cracking up, talking about the same bike after it’s almost 20 years old. We all must be in love, or just a total bone head……… LOL
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One thing that I sometimes remember, back in 2012 I had some close relationships with people at yamaha @ corporate. I had talks with some of those folks about starting a new (BMW) style programs that (BMW) had already provided for so many years. This conversation went on for months. Long story short- they passed on that whole ‘culture’ opportunity.
I’m 100% speculating that they have had a 10-15-20 year plan for this bike from the start. This ST life span might be cast in stone many years ago, maybe from the start. It might be a topic they put little or no thought into. These decisions have been decided 8-10-12 years ago, possibly the reason they did not want to promote this segment like BMW? They knew the end, and when that is going to happen.
I really enjoy the Tenere, but it’s not the last bike I will ever own. I’ll keep traveling across the US and head and ride many more BDR routes. When the new 1400 GSA hits the market it will be the next bike I seriously look at. (Unless Yamaha really surprises me with a new ADV / BDR jewel….LOL)
Seriously doubt there is a revised (on par with the rest of the guys) bike in the works or on the way.
My gut tells me that many of you are on ‘track’ with the next ‘adventure’ type bike they will offer. A watered down touring bike that can do some gravel. They will provide for what most riders are 'doing' and want, mostly road with a bit of gravel.
Anyhow, it’s always fun to speculate and guess what these guys might do after so many years. We will all probably be sitting here 5-10 years from now cracking up, talking about the same bike after it’s almost 20 years old. We all must be in love, or just a total bone head……… LOL
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Fennellg
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Well there are still those into VW Beatles an old air cooled antiquated design that has crappy tech and no air and terrible gas milage by todays standards. Some things just won’t die they prevail despite their short comings.
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Apologies, but our is tech lagging behinds via our lack of apple car-play, our monochrome display, and any meaningful horsepower gains has been glaring. Even our range has remained stagnant. Very few of our membership would argue with a larger fuel capacity. ( or at least a Choice of fuel capacity via model selection)
I'm not for certain, but considering how many Teneres live within 10 miles of me . . . . and how many I see on the road (0) . . . . extra range is not a big concern for them. But stagnant fuel might be. More power is subjective. How much you need v. how much you want v. how much you can actually use are likely three different numbers. Like I've said, I have to be aware of the road surface, 'cuz she'll break the tire loose extremely easy. More power would just mean more tires for me.
Just been looking at the 1100 Honda AT. The fuel tank is under 19ltrs, it makes less power than the ST it is lighter but it has no shaft drive. I don't call that progress. Which leads me the conclusion that the S10 was the last true Adventure Bike.
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I no longer give any thought to chains. Just change it out prematurely at each valve check (18k miles) and ignore it beyond the auto oiler. Sure, I still prefer a shaft, but to rule out the most enjoyable bike I've ever owned due to a chain...can't do it.
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At 160hp I almost never...maybe never break the rear tire free. It's not for lack of trying. Just doesn't happen. Of course my tires are never more than 90/10. If the rear tire spins faster than the front tire, it translates into the front tire coming up (good), rather than spinning in place (bad). Rather amazing just how all that power gets put to the ground and not wasted...at least not wasted in a detectable way.
Rear tire #6 is due on Tuesday this week. Not bad for a bike with less than 26K miles...right?
100% agree.
4k-ish miles per tire. . . . you proved my point on that one. And if you're not losing traction, it might be coming down to road composition. Our chip seal is known to suck. But my point was that she has more power/torque, down low than she can handle . . . . at least around here.
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CW let me ride his flashed S10. I remember coming back telling him I could tell if I tried I could have easily lit up the rear tire. He nodded and said, 'yep.' I didn't feel it would lift, just spin. I didn't test that theory, that's a bit more disrespectful that I can to be on someone else's bike. But I do remember how heavy the front end was on all my Teneres. Tried endless times off pavement to lift the front and all it would ever do is spin. Somehow, the KTM is built for power to the ground. Want to wheelie off pavement, sure...enjoy. On the flip side, the Tenere doesn't headshake at 35 MPH when loaded up for travel. Can't say that about the KTM.
See, I'm not a wheelie king like you. Have no desire to ride a unicycle. That was one of the first things I noticed when I got my FJ. When I twisted the throttle, she just left . . . . no muss, no fuss. My buddies with their Ninjas and Gixxers would lift their front ends if they tried to leave fast.
Early on, I tried to get the hole shot off of a green light with the Tenere. I gassed, and clutched, and caught traction. Front wheel immediately started to lift. I don't know if the TCS or me reacted quicker and backed off of the throttle. I applied the throttle a little slower 'till she was rolling and got on it again.
Early on, I tried to get the hole shot off of a green light with the Tenere. I gassed, and clutched, and caught traction. Front wheel immediately started to lift. I don't know if the TCS or me reacted quicker and backed off of the throttle. I applied the throttle a little slower 'till she was rolling and got on it again.
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Some dudes love this type of nonsense, personally there is no competition between KTM and Yamaha, the Tenere win's hand's down.
Each to their own but the last thing I want is a manufacture and their dealers with their hands in my pocket.
Each to their own but the last thing I want is a manufacture and their dealers with their hands in my pocket.
DD…what you say about pitching the 1290, vs the S10…don't forget about gear ratios and RPM. The S10 has a motor that rotates at a maximum of 8,000 rpm…..the 1290 does so at a maximum of 10,000 RPM…..surely with that “plus” of rpm in each gear….the 1290 could have shorter ratios…and that is why it is so easy for her to lift the front wheel off the ground…as I do not know the gear ratios of the KTM….I cannot compare…..I only imagine.
Shorter ratios maybe in the lowest gears…maybe in the highest gears it will be different.
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Calling it a scam is like calling the Tenere vs the Tenere ES a scam. A choice between different levels of bikes is awesome. The fact that nearby Yamaha dealer A has the non-ES, and far away dealer B has the ES is what sucks. You want the ES, drive 250 miles to go get it. KTM says any bike can be the non-ES or the ES....what do you want it to be? I love that people who don't want all that tech stuff don't have to pay for it. Me, I want it, I value it, and I'm more than happy to pay for it. Everybody wins.
I'll be honest, I'm a rider, not a guy that understand all that stuff. The only dyno I can understand is found directly above my motorcycle seat. If I twist the throttle and say "holy sh#!", we're off to a good start. So much of riding is discovering and understanding what really makes you happy. For me, I've learned my happiness and contentment are directly tied to the level of enthusiastic response received related to movements of my right wrist. I'm a simple guy.
I like the idea of having options on a bike, especially if you can try them before you buy them. I think it was a mistake for Yamaha to only offer the ES version of the S10. I would rather have a standard and then add some premium suspension components later.