Discontinuation of the S10?

[cyclemike4]

1200 Tenere definitely has a reputation for excellent low speed lugging power but in my opinion it’s low speed lugging power is terrible !

I will agree with Cycledude. Mine is terrible down low. no it has not been flashed and really it should not have to be. After all we paid money for a bike that runs right from the get go but EPA and other organizations have seen that may not happen for most models sold these days. Clean air is good though. I will agree with that. As far as a three cylinder engine not having torque I have rode a few that were great down low. Although one was very buzzy. Pretty much any engine configuration can be set up to have torque. My 89 FJ 1200 and my 05 FJR1300 both have more (controllable) bottom end grunt than my Super T has. Both are easier to ride in really slick conditions for me because of that fact alone. I will say though that my Super T will continue to pull after you have it moving. Getting it moving sometimes is difficult. In any case what ever Yamaha does with this model it will have to make it pass all the current conditions that are pressing. From what I am seeing no gas motor has the smooth bottom torque the old engines had. they just can't pass EPA mandates if they put gas to them at the bottom I suppose. I am sure Yamaha knows what is going on and understand profits that come from just selling the same model year after year. I still think my 2012 is great.

 

[fac191]

I will agree with Cycledude. Mine is terrible down low. no it has not been flashed and really it should not have to be. After all we paid money for a bike that runs right from the get go but EPA and other organizations have seen that may not happen for most models sold these days. Clean air is good though. I will agree with that. As far as a three cylinder engine not having torque I have rode a few that were great down low. Although one was very buzzy. Pretty much any engine configuration can be set up to have torque. My 89 FJ 1200 and my 05 FJR1300 both have more (controllable) bottom end grunt than my Super T has. Both are easier to ride in really slick conditions for me because of that fact alone. I will say though that my Super T will continue to pull after you have it moving. Getting it moving sometimes is difficult. In any case what ever Yamaha does with this model it will have to make it pass all the current conditions that are pressing. From what I am seeing no gas motor has the smooth bottom torque the old engines had. they just can't pass EPA mandates if they put gas to them at the bottom I suppose. I am sure Yamaha knows what is going on and understand profits that come from just selling the same model year after year. I still think my 2012 is great.

That's why you get it flashed. Comparing carbed bikes with modern FI bikes is not really fair. They hold back due to the regs.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

There are many different ideas of the meaning "competitive". If it's keeping up with the Jonne's in the newest then the S10 is falling far behind. But if it is to fill a niche, in limited numbers the S10 is a perfect fit.
The claim that the S10 is old is nonsense, the only thing that "MAY" date it in the minds of some is the lack of the newest electronics.

For me, the lack of electronics is a bonus. I am certainly not a Luddite, but I have a couple of riding modes, cruise control and ABS and that really is all I want, less to confuse and distract and dilute the pleasure of motorcycling.

 

[Sierra1]

That's why you get it flashed. Comparing carbed bikes with modern FI bikes is not really fair. They hold back due to the regs.

Just wait 'till them blame global warming on flashed bikes.

 

[fac191]

This is what my S10 has to pass, if you look at the engine speed it's where the bike picks up. On Dyno runs you can see it. That's why flashed bikes feel smoother as they get rid of it.

 

[fac191]

2 Strokes were probably the biggest offenders and they have progressively been fazed out in many places.

 

[t star]

New to the forum, wondering why the Super Tenere is referred to as S10.

 

[Sierra1]

New to the forum, wondering why the Super Tenere is referred to as S10.

S uper Ten ere. I just can't do it. All I think of is that shitty little truck.

 

[sheikyerbooty]

damn cali and euro greenie pollys mean i cant buy a new dr650 anymore. the air is clean down here, 2 stroke smoke just blows out to sea

 

[lund]

S10, POS...LOL

 

[Tenman]

Is your bike flashed ?

Before I had my gen1 flashed. It was a nightmare in tight stuff in 1st gear.

 

[Sierra1]

S10, POS...LOL
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Yup . . . . that's the one. I heard the urban legend that some were good. But I've never personally met a person that had good luck with one.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

This is what my S10 has to pass, if you look at the engine speed it's where the bike picks up. On Dyno runs you can see it. That's why flashed bikes feel smoother as they get rid of it.
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Is that for ULEZ in and around London? Never seen anything like that before.

 

[sheikyerbooty]

when ya touch the front brake it applies pressure to the back. found this out looking up the drink holder and the ash tray in the manual.

 

[fac191]

Is that for ULEZ in and around London? Never seen anything like that before.

That's from the Log Book it's on yours if in UK.

 

[fac191]

Although it doesn't apply on Xmas Day.
Can't believe that has not been challenged on the grounds of Equality and Discrimination by the other Books though.
You only need to look at the before and after photos of the Houses of Parliament after they cleaned it if you want to see what Pollution looks like. Although Londoners to their credit did their best to breath most of it in. Every little bit helps.

 

[Longdog Cymru]

That's from the Log Book it's on yours if in UK.

I am indeed in UK but it just goes to show how much attention I have paid to my logbook!

 

[fac191]

I am indeed in UK but it just goes to show how much attention I have paid to my logbook!

That's the S10 for you. You may as well frame the Log Book the bikes going nowhere. I believe it's more a sound test as well so that's why we have the huge exhaust. You can see it in DYNO runs.

 

[cyclemike4]

2 Strokes were probably the biggest offenders and they have progressively been fazed out in many places.

yes a two stroke can be a dirty running machine. Even with power valves the exhaust ports are open before complete combustion is finished. Here in the US most people just didn't like the characteristics of the two stoke street bikes as much as a nice easy riding four stroke bike. That was all changing over to four strokes here before any body cared about dirty air. Funny thing is when the AMA here in the US was in the process of changing off road racing to four stroke bikes, the four stroke dirt bikes were dirtier than the two stokes they were replacing. Of course you learn to take a grain of salt with what ever but I did read two different reports on the matter and two separate studies agreed. those four stoke dirt bikes have a lot of valve overlap with short strokes and high rpm motors. I can definitely see that they would not be environmentally friendly. The motors are still built that way but I am not sure if they are as dirty as they used to be. That study was done several years ago.

 

[fac191]

yes a two stroke can be a dirty running machine. Even with power valves the exhaust ports are open before complete combustion is finished. Here in the US most people just didn't like the characteristics of the two stoke street bikes as much as a nice easy riding four stroke bike. That was all changing over to four strokes here before any body cared about dirty air. Funny thing is when the AMA here in the US was in the process of changing off road racing to four stroke bikes, the four stroke dirt bikes were dirtier than the two stokes they were replacing. Of course you learn to take a grain of salt with what ever but I did read two different reports on the matter and two separate studies agreed. those four stoke dirt bikes have a lot of valve overlap with short strokes and high rpm motors. I can definitely see that they would not be environmentally friendly. The motors are still built that way but I am not sure if they are as dirty as they used to be. That study was done several years ago.

That's interesting one would have thought the 4 stroke must be cleaner. It's so rare an old 2 Stoke bike goes past me now but when it does it takes me straight back to my youth.