rtwpaul
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
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Auxiliary fuel tank for the Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z/ S10
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rtwpaul
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
106 names and still adding names almost daily...looks like its time to start making some phone call to the tank manufacturers
Fingers crossed everybody
106 names and still adding names almost daily...looks like its time to start making some phone call to the tank manufacturers
Fingers crossed everybody
rtwpaul
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
I had a brief meeting with IMS Gas Tanks last weekend at Overland Expo, they showed a great deal of interest...i just arrived home so i will follow up next week to see if we can move forward.
I offered them my bike for 2-3 months for R & D
I had a brief meeting with IMS Gas Tanks last weekend at Overland Expo, they showed a great deal of interest...i just arrived home so i will follow up next week to see if we can move forward.
I offered them my bike for 2-3 months for R & D
rtwpaul
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
115 interested parties between known names and anonymous votes
115 interested parties between known names and anonymous votes
craigd
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
I voted in the poll, but you can also add me to the list somewhere between #2 and #3.
I voted in the poll, but you can also add me to the list somewhere between #2 and #3.
rtwpaul
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
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rtwpaul
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
IMS Gas Tanks have requested to read the threads here and advrider and are going to review
fingers crossed... ::012::
IMS Gas Tanks have requested to read the threads here and advrider and are going to review
fingers crossed... ::012::
rtwpaul
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
I'm really a 1.5 here, I'd definitely buy this thing -- probably on impulse sight unseen, and funds really aren't the issue. But if better judgement gets the better of me, and if there's competition I'd really like to see how it's executed -- as I'm as interested in weight distribution as capacity.
I'm really a 1.5 here, I'd definitely buy this thing -- probably on impulse sight unseen, and funds really aren't the issue. But if better judgement gets the better of me, and if there's competition I'd really like to see how it's executed -- as I'm as interested in weight distribution as capacity.
Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
I can't see how any manufacturer is going to put up the cost of tooling for such a small number of "Maybe's".
I've found myself being in need of longer range particularly off road, and a couple of long trails that ended up being dead ends and having to double back on fumes, but i could never justify the cost of this long range tank when for $30 (the cost of a jerry can) i can carry an extra 10 litres with ease.
I can't see how any manufacturer is going to put up the cost of tooling for such a small number of "Maybe's".
I've found myself being in need of longer range particularly off road, and a couple of long trails that ended up being dead ends and having to double back on fumes, but i could never justify the cost of this long range tank when for $30 (the cost of a jerry can) i can carry an extra 10 litres with ease.
OX-34
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
iClint I think RTWPaul is seeking input from riders who want the tank now or may consider it if one were available.
Saying you don't want or need one and speaking on behalf of the tank manufacturers doesn't really help. Does it?
I think that you're not the first person to suggest a jerry can for extra range. Go right ahead with that strategy as it works for you.
This thread is about a bigger tank.
iClint I think RTWPaul is seeking input from riders who want the tank now or may consider it if one were available.
Saying you don't want or need one and speaking on behalf of the tank manufacturers doesn't really help. Does it?
I think that you're not the first person to suggest a jerry can for extra range. Go right ahead with that strategy as it works for you.
This thread is about a bigger tank.
Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
Understanding the lack of interest would go a long way to coming up with something that might garner some interest. I never claimed to speak on behalf of manufacturers only stated the obvious and that is without a sustainable level of interest and ROI it doesn't matter if you get the jump on the competition or have the monopoly on long range S10 tanks if no-one wants to buy them.
As someone who owns and operates a successful business I know a list of names doesn't mean shit until pen is put to paper or money fronted. Of the 8 names on the list I bet 6 would not follow through, probably more...
While the idea is not necessarily bad, the price point and gains will see it never sees the light of day in its current standing.
No, I think this thread is about a tank that can hold 8-12litres more than stock for a pretty hefty price tag of perhaps a grand or more.OX-34 said:
Understanding the lack of interest would go a long way to coming up with something that might garner some interest. I never claimed to speak on behalf of manufacturers only stated the obvious and that is without a sustainable level of interest and ROI it doesn't matter if you get the jump on the competition or have the monopoly on long range S10 tanks if no-one wants to buy them.
As someone who owns and operates a successful business I know a list of names doesn't mean shit until pen is put to paper or money fronted. Of the 8 names on the list I bet 6 would not follow through, probably more...
While the idea is not necessarily bad, the price point and gains will see it never sees the light of day in its current standing.
OX-34
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
Your opinion on the feasibility and likelihood is irrelevant though iClint.
Clouded in some ways too. Some riders will spend a thousand on an exhaust system for minimal gain, a colour co-ordinated suit for vanity, an enclosed trailer for that track day they may do, or even $1000 on a third GPS. They may even waste 10K extra on a GS. Hefty is relative and not your call to make on behalf of others.
Your success in some business is also completely irrelevant, though perhaps you now want to speak on behalf of all business owners or something?
This is about a bigger tank, interest in the same and seeing if that may lead to getting a manufacturer to do what they already do for lots of other bikes - make bigger tanks. The manufacturers can and will make their own minds up.
If nothing comes of it then so be it. Will you somehow feel better that riders who simply want a bigger tank can't get a manufacturer to make one?
You don't want one. Tick.
Your opinion on the feasibility and likelihood is irrelevant though iClint.
Clouded in some ways too. Some riders will spend a thousand on an exhaust system for minimal gain, a colour co-ordinated suit for vanity, an enclosed trailer for that track day they may do, or even $1000 on a third GPS. They may even waste 10K extra on a GS. Hefty is relative and not your call to make on behalf of others.
Your success in some business is also completely irrelevant, though perhaps you now want to speak on behalf of all business owners or something?
This is about a bigger tank, interest in the same and seeing if that may lead to getting a manufacturer to do what they already do for lots of other bikes - make bigger tanks. The manufacturers can and will make their own minds up.
If nothing comes of it then so be it. Will you somehow feel better that riders who simply want a bigger tank can't get a manufacturer to make one?
You don't want one. Tick.
shrekonwheels
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
As a business owner myself, hopefully not much longer
) clints point is valid, of the 8 who will Buy now he would be lucky to get 6 to actually do it. There are 40 which are a maybe when it is finished so a couple more will pop within a year, at best up to ten. Now convincing goes a long ways and Paul is pushy so it may get done, all depends on the amount of risk the fab shop wants to take on.
In short people love to spend money on fluff and show, they are hard pressed to spend coin on anything expensive deemed necessary, especially when a can is available for less than ten percent of that cost.
Trust me, I have a necessary business and struggled to pull 4 grand out of customers who would cry and moan then turn around and blow three times more on something silly. Screw that, if I ever go into business again it will be selling unnecessary garbage and I will make bank.
As a business owner myself, hopefully not much longer
) clints point is valid, of the 8 who will Buy now he would be lucky to get 6 to actually do it. There are 40 which are a maybe when it is finished so a couple more will pop within a year, at best up to ten. Now convincing goes a long ways and Paul is pushy so it may get done, all depends on the amount of risk the fab shop wants to take on.In short people love to spend money on fluff and show, they are hard pressed to spend coin on anything expensive deemed necessary, especially when a can is available for less than ten percent of that cost.
Trust me, I have a necessary business and struggled to pull 4 grand out of customers who would cry and moan then turn around and blow three times more on something silly. Screw that, if I ever go into business again it will be selling unnecessary garbage and I will make bank.
OX-34
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
Why don't you go into business making the tanks yourself? Some see a larger tank as unneccessary, so that would be right up your alley right?
Can we just have this thread for people who want the tanks rather than the naysayers that don't want the tanks.
Lets leave the decision to make the tanks to the people who make the tanks then?shrekonwheels said:
Why don't you go into business making the tanks yourself? Some see a larger tank as unneccessary, so that would be right up your alley right?
Can we just have this thread for people who want the tanks rather than the naysayers that don't want the tanks.
Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
However you might want to raise another additional $50,000 for some prototyping and field testing before you go straight to tooling.
The way I see it you could get the tanks you need for about $4,000 each assumming you can get a minimum of 50 backers. But you might have some trouble getting any plastic manufacturer to do such a small run.
Why don't you and Paul setup a Kickstarter. Then say you guys and 50 others can raise the $100-150,000 to have the tooling made for injection blow molding the tank in China and then shipped by sea in a container. Then use the hardware on your stock tank eg cap, pump and hose fittings. Job done.OX-34 said:
However you might want to raise another additional $50,000 for some prototyping and field testing before you go straight to tooling.
The way I see it you could get the tanks you need for about $4,000 each assumming you can get a minimum of 50 backers. But you might have some trouble getting any plastic manufacturer to do such a small run.
TheHelios
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
This isn't a bad idea actually. We can finally see the number of people who actually claim that would buy this put money up front rather than making some tentative list.iClint said:
shrekonwheels
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
Well for what it's worth I thought 4 dollar coffee was idiotic, now that is a small ::018::
::012::OX-34 said:
Well for what it's worth I thought 4 dollar coffee was idiotic, now that is a small ::018::
bikerdoc
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
I'd clicked through the Poll (option number 2) after reading the first page. OP add me as option 2.please.
Since polling I've read the entire thread. Thread seems simple enough; to garner interest and feasibility of constructing/fabricating a larger petrol tank to replace the OEM petrol tank. Respondents have 4 choices; 1, 2, 3 & 4. Yes 4. The way I see it, Option 4 is for those who either don't want said propsed tank or have other opinions or other options. The bonus about option 4 is that it requires those participants to do nothing - no post required.
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I'd clicked through the Poll (option number 2) after reading the first page. OP add me as option 2.please.
Since polling I've read the entire thread. Thread seems simple enough; to garner interest and feasibility of constructing/fabricating a larger petrol tank to replace the OEM petrol tank. Respondents have 4 choices; 1, 2, 3 & 4. Yes 4. The way I see it, Option 4 is for those who either don't want said propsed tank or have other opinions or other options. The bonus about option 4 is that it requires those participants to do nothing - no post required.
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rtwpaul
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Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere
this forum is funny, probably why i rarely come on here, lots of opinionated people on here that like to tell you what you don't want or need because they don't want or need it, or look for a cheaper option or an unsafe option
or based on 'their worldly experience' ...usually minimal or their business interests in some other random industry...
maybe the naysayers should move on or sit by and watch or not try and make opinions for buyers in the future, i personally think Yamaha will make this model for a long time, and there might be tank buyers that are not on this forum (almost definitely), the bike is sold worldwide remember, did that ever cross your mind.
so based on your argument, which is very valid and correct in its basic idea...ponder this question; just as a test case of course, why don't we make a tank for a GasGas 450 an extremely small production bike that has very minimal sales for a company that may or may not be out of business in the near future...of course we wouldn't that would be crazy and a massive waste of money...right?
WRONG - http://www.justgastanks.com/dirt-bike-gas-tanks/gas-gas-tanks/fsr450-515/safari-fuel-tanks/ or http://www.justgastanks.com/2007-2009-gas-gas-fsr450-515-clarke-fuel-tank/
like OX-34 and bikerdoc said why don't we let the tank manufacturers make the final decision and if you're not interested thats not a problem, there is no peer pressure to buy
a little FYI to you naysayers...i have been talking with a tank manufacturer this week who contacted me, not the other way around. They have shown a great deal of interest and are scheduling bikes to arrive at the facility to start the process of reverse engineering and initial fitment and shape.
...but for me its too late i'm off to go and ride RTW again, i wish you well and hopefully you get what i was trying to achieve for the ones that wanted it, if it doesn't happen then the naysayers get the glory and get to say "told you so" and then they can move on to the next thing and cast their unwanted opinion
this forum is funny, probably why i rarely come on here, lots of opinionated people on here that like to tell you what you don't want or need because they don't want or need it, or look for a cheaper option or an unsafe option
or based on 'their worldly experience' ...usually minimal or their business interests in some other random industry...
maybe the naysayers should move on or sit by and watch or not try and make opinions for buyers in the future, i personally think Yamaha will make this model for a long time, and there might be tank buyers that are not on this forum (almost definitely), the bike is sold worldwide remember, did that ever cross your mind.
so based on your argument, which is very valid and correct in its basic idea...ponder this question; just as a test case of course, why don't we make a tank for a GasGas 450 an extremely small production bike that has very minimal sales for a company that may or may not be out of business in the near future...of course we wouldn't that would be crazy and a massive waste of money...right?
WRONG - http://www.justgastanks.com/dirt-bike-gas-tanks/gas-gas-tanks/fsr450-515/safari-fuel-tanks/ or http://www.justgastanks.com/2007-2009-gas-gas-fsr450-515-clarke-fuel-tank/
like OX-34 and bikerdoc said why don't we let the tank manufacturers make the final decision and if you're not interested thats not a problem, there is no peer pressure to buy
a little FYI to you naysayers...i have been talking with a tank manufacturer this week who contacted me, not the other way around. They have shown a great deal of interest and are scheduling bikes to arrive at the facility to start the process of reverse engineering and initial fitment and shape.
...but for me its too late i'm off to go and ride RTW again, i wish you well and hopefully you get what i was trying to achieve for the ones that wanted it, if it doesn't happen then the naysayers get the glory and get to say "told you so" and then they can move on to the next thing and cast their unwanted opinion