Auxiliary fuel tank for the Yamaha Super Tenere XT1200Z/ S10

[rtwpaul]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

Market demographics. The big S10 is already perceived as top heavy by many riders. Most people I talk to don't ride tank to tank with short range bikes, never mind a 250 mile range bike. Add to that a reliable supply of fuel nearly everywhere in the US, including at night w/24 hr pumps, (except OR where there is no true self serve gas), and most people simply have the time to stop and don't require the range.

this quote is well and good for riding in the US, once you cross the border into parts unknown or known it is an immediate problem, i have ridden over 125k in the last three years all over the world on other bikes with smaller cc's but bigger tanks, maybe 25k +/- in the US...correct i didn't have one single issue with fuel availability here in the US.

Everywhere else i would have had a major problem, and as the bike gets taken worldwide now, it should be able to go worldwide distances.

where i rode last year in Russia, Mongolia, Kazakstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan 200-250 mile range would have left me stranded over a dozen times

 

[shrekonwheels]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

I'm not a demographic and in Australia at least 250 miles much of it in low gear is too near the edge of range and for the want of a gallon or two of fuel, I want to stop when I want to stop and often that is tank to tank for me. 800-1000km is possible but not parked in a servo filling up again, I do believe the USA has remote areas may be I'm wrong. Being caught without fuel can kill you here, and again I believe that is also the case in the US.
Even day to day commuting for me has me filling up twice a week, personally I don't like it so once a week would be good.
This thread was to get names for those that want a tank, not for folk to preach why we should not need one.

I am sure some road someplace you could run into a situation where there are no stations, but you would have to try really hard for that.
Now I am not saying I would not like to cruise along and not worry about fuel, I would, but the top end weight factor does bother me so Im out.

I do think this thread is a good Idea, it's just Pauls delivery is a bit abrasive, the option of a bigger fuel tank should be attractive to everyone.
There are clearly to many of us who came from KLRs who think a balloon holding extra gas to save a buck is a good Idea instead however.

 

[Roge]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

I am sure some road someplace you could run into a situation where there are no stations, but you would have to try really hard for that.
Now I am not saying I would not like to cruise along and not worry about fuel, I would, but the top end weight factor does bother me so Im out.

I do think this thread is a good Idea, it's just Pauls delivery is a bit abrasive, the option of a bigger fuel tank should be attractive to everyone.
There are clearly to many of us who came from KLRs who think a balloon holding extra gas to save a buck is a good Idea instead however.

Some road some place, that would be beyond Montana, never owned a KLR but I have ridden a GSA empty and spent 100km with Crosse fingers. I don't want stickers, a glowing screen or pretty led lights but I don't feel the need to tell folk that they dont. It's my bike and cash after all.

 

[rtwpaul]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

I am sure some road someplace you could run into a situation where there are no stations, but you would have to try really hard for that.

leave North America and you will find it real quick

the top end weight factor does bother me so Im out.

if you have a larger capacity tank then you have the option to fill as much or little as you want/ need, but you DO HAVE THE OPTION, that is what this thread is about HAVING THE OPTION...

hope that wasn't too abrasive for you by me pointing out the obvious

 

[shrekonwheels]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

Some road some place, that would be beyond Montana, never owned a KLR but I have ridden a GSA empty and spent 100km with Crosse fingers. I don't want stickers, a glowing screen or pretty led lights but I don't feel the need to tell folk that they dont. It's my bike and cash after all.

Montana is one of the US Largest states and also one of the least populated, with less than 1 million people in the entire state that is easy to understand. Travel tiime here is Measured in hours between places, not miles.

I have ridden all over the western US, in all those areas where you do have to carefully monitor your gas, a station is still available although missing one can at times get you into trouble of course I have also traveled a small chunk of this world as well so its not like I do not have an Idea what I personally need.

I have not ridden to Alaska nor do I plan to, however that is about the only stretch I can think of where it may be difficult to find fuel, and I really doubt it is all that hard considering the large amount of traffic going that way.

It would really benefit your argument & Pauls if you quit treating all those who do not see your great master plan as naive. We merely have different visions of the type of riding and what we need for our bikes, different strokes for different folks.

Again, I would like to see a large capacity tank as the more options for the Tenere, the more people who will buy and the longer we will have support for this great bike.

Enjoy your riding in the Bush

leave North America and you will find it real quick

I am well traveled, maybe not as well traveled as you but I have been around the world.

I am willing to bet that 99.99 percent of those purchasing a Tenere are not going to be globe trotting.

Good day

 

[EricV]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

this quote is well and good for riding in the US, once you cross the border into parts unknown or known it is an immediate problem, i have ridden over 125k in the last three years all over the world on other bikes with smaller cc's but bigger tanks, maybe 25k +/- in the US...correct i didn't have one single issue with fuel availability here in the US.

Everywhere else i would have had a major problem, and as the bike gets taken worldwide now, it should be able to go worldwide distances.

where i rode last year in Russia, Mongolia, Kazakstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan 200-250 mile range would have left me stranded over a dozen times

Paul, you pondered why so little interest. I simply responded to explain why. Remember boys, I carry 11 gallons now with a fuel cell. I see the benefits of more fuel, there simply isn't demand for it in the US in any significant number. I am not saying this project is bad at all. RTW riders are an even smaller niche than LD riders.

 

[squarebore]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

Hey Paul, any idea what the magic figure is where it is worth their while to produce a tank?

 

[Roge]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

Montana is one of the US Largest states and also one of the least populated, with less than 1 million people in the entire state that is easy to understand. Travel tiime here is Measured in hours between places, not miles.

I have ridden all over the western US, in all those areas where you do have to carefully monitor your gas, a station is still available although missing one can at times get you into trouble of course I have also traveled a small chunk of this world as well so its not like I do not have an Idea what I personally need.

I have not ridden to Alaska nor do I plan to, however that is about the only stretch I can think of where it may be difficult to find fuel, and I really doubt it is all that hard considering the large amount of traffic going that way.

It would really benefit your argument & Pauls if you quit treating all those who do not see your great master plan as naive. We merely have different visions of the type of riding and what we need for our bikes, different strokes for different folks.

Again, I would like to see a large capacity tank as the more options for the Tenere, the more people who will buy and the longer we will have support for this great bike.

Enjoy your riding in the Bush



I am well traveled, maybe not as well traveled as you but I have been around the world.

I am willing to bet that 99.99 percent of those purchasing a Tenere are not going to be globe trotting.

Good day

The question is from the beginning who wants big tank, not who doesn't there wasn't even a reason asked for. The reason for having an S10 as is the fuel range if you happy with stock. The only bit of a GSA I miss is the 600km tank.

 

[Checkswrecks]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

Sounds like re-having where this thread was a couple of pages ago. Yes, there are alternatives; no, not everybody wants/needs a bigger tank; and yes, there are many countries where big tanks are wanted.

Bottom line is that Paul is simply trying to collect names and that is what this thread is for.

Paul, thanks for not needing to respond to every post and keeping it easier-going. My question, largely out of curiousity, is what other forums have you been pitching this on and how is the total count coming?

 

[limey]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

I'm interested. Thanks.

 

[rtwpaul]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

Paul, you pondered why so little interest. I simply responded to explain why. Remember boys, I carry 11 gallons now with a fuel cell. I see the benefits of more fuel, there simply isn't demand for it in the US in any significant number. I am not saying this project is bad at all. RTW riders are an even smaller niche than LD riders.

Patience...this thread is live for all of 26 days, the rotation of members here and other places is not a quick thing and getting a response from some is even more difficult as a lot of people like to not post and just see what happens

we have plenty of time, i am not concerned

 

[rtwpaul]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

Hey Paul, any idea what the magic figure is where it is worth their while to produce a tank?

from what i am understanding 100 names gets interest



this a response to a PM i sent to a member interested in buying...we have been PMing back and forth for a while so i kept it off the thread





Safari isn't my first company i'll approach, they are in Australia and price their tanks almost double to other companies, i used their name as its the one everybody knows

the company i am going to approach initially is IMS, they are based a few hundred miles from me, just outside LA/ San Diego, most of their tanks come in around $350-$550, most big bike safari tanks are $900 +

they did a tank on another forum and they did the tank for that bike documented it extensively, and as they are close i could give them my bike for 2-3 months to play with...they will need it as its a lot more complex than a dirt bike...if they are interested...if not then i will work my way all the manufacturers out there, there is about 10 of them for me to try


so as you see i am willing to be without my bike for 2-3 months in the summertime...not too much of a hardship as i have a 14,000 mile dirt ride planned on one of my other bikes...with an oversized tank

but i don't expect any other rider to do the same

 

[rtwpaul]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

I'm interested. Thanks.

i'll add you, thanks ::008::

 

[greg the pole]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

this is a Chinese rip off of a rotopax fuel cell, and as i said in the first post as i'm riding two up this option doesn't work, because of space and layout...if i was a solo rider this is my deal, i ran two rotopax on my xt660z tenere and had over a 400 mile range when i was in south america, it was great, now looking for the same ranhe for the S10

it was the first picture I found.
Granted it wouldn't work even if a person rode 1 up which I do. With the rear rack on the same level as the plastic below the passenger seat, the real estate available is only 2' feet long by 1 foot wide (roughly). I currently carry a 4L rotopax mounted to the side of my givi rack, but it's none too convenient and only gets used in emergencies (3 times so far, in 50 thou km).
https://thetenerist.wordpress.com/2012/12/27/yamaha-st-pelican-case-and-aux-tank-install-write-up/


That said, if a tank came in at under $500, I maybe interested, especially if we gained room down low, behind the tb's, and existing fuel tank. I wouldn't be overly concerned with the extra weight of the fuel

 

[rtwpaul]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

its a shame i am not at a place where i used work years ago...i had access to reverse engineering, CNC machines, a full aluminum welding facility, 3D printing, solid works design that produces product for the oil industry...

i could have knocked up a design myself in very little time in solid works, then 3D printed it or machined it, once a good solid fit was completed, then machine out molds and do a final version in either aluminum or plastic



sadly i now live 1500 miles away from that facility...if we reach sept/ oct and the big tank looks like a no, then i'll do an iron butt to that place and make my own, my bike will leave the US with more capacity than it has right now

 

[Bappo]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

I have a slight interest. More interested in riding to someones shop and having them install a 4 gallon aux tank over a weekend. I'm just not all that interested in doing all the drilling and plumbing myself

 

[Roge]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

I have a slight interest. More interested in riding to someones shop and having them install a 4 gallon aux tank over a weekend. I'm just not all that interested in doing all the drilling and plumbing myself

These tanks are remove the old and fit the new one.

 

[Lutsie]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

I would definitely be interested for $500 or less and if it doesn't look God awful.
So #1 / 2

 

[rtwpaul]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

Bottom line is that Paul is simply trying to collect names and that is what this thread is for.

Paul, thanks for not needing to respond to every post and keeping it easier-going. My question, largely out of curiosity, is what other forums have you been pitching this on and how is the total count coming?

yes all i'm looking for is numbers and not options or opinions...its a simple yes/ no question

I have only posted here and on ADVrider.com as they seemed to be the most popular areas that this bike is talked about specifically



total count is currently in the low 90's, so very soon here i will be approaching the manufacturers and hopefully this thread (or probably a new one) will be titled 'are you interested in willing to commit in a group buy'

 

[arjayes]

Re: Over sized Safari tank for the Super Tenere

yes all i'm looking for is numbers and not options or opinions...its a simple yes/ no question

I have only posted here and on ADVrider.com as they seemed to be the most popular areas that this bike is talked about specifically



total count is currently in the low 90's, so very soon here i will be approaching the manufacturers and hopefully this thread (or probably a new one) will be titled 'are you interested in willing to commit in a group buy'

I've been holding off on this but it sounds like you're getting close. If this becomes real I'll be interested, so I guess put me down as a #2.