Even Harley is making new ADV bikes.
Harley-Davidson Pan America 975 Set to Debut as a Smaller 1250 (msn.com)
Harley-Davidson Pan America 975 Set to Debut as a Smaller 1250 (msn.com)
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And still no new T-12
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Had this discussion with a Tenere friend the other day that is looking for a “new modern bike”. He likes Yamaha, would like to buy a Yamaha, would like to buy the ‘new generation ST1200’ but we both discussed this is either not going to happen, or years away. Nothing new at all.
He loves the brand, but there big adventure bike is now 9 years old and soon to be 10 years old. (There ‘newest’ version) This is the newest yamaha has. OLD stuff for someone wanting some of the new Tech and safety features.
He has already started looking at several other “modern” adventure bikes. We had this conversation, and among the big adventure bikes there are some really great features and well thought out safety tech I choose to believe could help save your life, who honestly doesn’t want safety on a motorcycle to help save your life?
He loves the brand, but there big adventure bike is now 9 years old and soon to be 10 years old. (There ‘newest’ version) This is the newest yamaha has. OLD stuff for someone wanting some of the new Tech and safety features.
He has already started looking at several other “modern” adventure bikes. We had this conversation, and among the big adventure bikes there are some really great features and well thought out safety tech I choose to believe could help save your life, who honestly doesn’t want safety on a motorcycle to help save your life?
Not saying you're wrong, but I subscribe to "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Be alert and try to anticipate other driver's potential actions.
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Good thing you're not looking at a DR650...
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Not me- but understood.Good thing you're not looking at a DR650...
Looking at the T7 Yamaha looks to be going in the other direction. Focusing on reliability in the field instead of the showroom which I think Sierra1 is alluding to. However potential buyers want all this tech as they see it as the future. The fact non tubeless tires put a lot of people of these " modern bikes " me included suggests practicality is more important in the real world where most of these bikes will never be taken. Also the growing market seems to be Sport bike owners looking for a less focused bike with a more upright riding position but who still demand Sport bike performance not Dirt Bike riders looking for something bigger to go further.
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Madhatter
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safety and what ever it takes to be safer that's my goal. I really like my super Tenere , it out performs in different ways most of its competitors. but an effort on Yamaha's part to keep the machine current is just not there. if the ST is to stay in production it will be Yamaha's version of the DR or Kawasaki's version of the KLR. and of course I bought a DR 650 , not for its great safety features ( its really lacking) but for its simplicity and affordability. I will not be taking expec trips on it . but it will be my dirt road explorer . the ST is on the verge of extinction . a bike that we know to be great but could be current and better with a little effort from Yamaha . I think that ship has passed . if I were to shop for a new bike ,safety features would be top of my list (DR650 an exception ) for my main travel bike. what ever the brand.
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Regarding safety. For me the S10 ES has enough tech for me. I am with you on leaning ABS and Traction Control but I think it could encourage me to ride faster, and sloppily with the extra safeness in mind and speed plus road positioning seems to be a big factor in accidents which tech has no real effect on.Doesn't stop me wanting a SAS though.
sheikyerbooty
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ktm have got some ways to go to match my superten
cyclemike4
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I personally am not a fan at all of all the tech on the bikes. I like a good motor and nice suspension and great brakes. that is all I would ask for. How ever I do like the abs on the front of my Super T. I do not like the linked brakes at all. I will say though the world wants a computer on wheels or they think it isn't a good buy. Yamaha will have to do the same to keep in the market. I have at least another 100,000 miles for my Super T to go yet so no big deal for me right now. But at some point it will have to be replaced (may be ha ha) then my options will be limited at best. I test rode a T7 earlier this year and loved that thing. I rode it right after riding a GS1200 and would have to say I would pick the T7 in heart beat over the BMW even if the price was the same as the T7 for both.
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I think a big driver in companies updating their machines so often now is that the people who buy them panic when the warranty is due to run out so they do it to keep then within their brand. I think Yamahas problem is they are too reliable as seen by the mileage on here.
Cycledude
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Sounds interesting, hopefully not as tall as current Tenere’s, I for one would most likely be very happy to see Yamaha ditch the big twin cylinder engine and replace it with a triple, hopefully it comes with cruise control , greatly improved headlights, and improved low speed gearing. Then maybe I would consider buying another Yamaha someday.
Fennellg
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Something is afoot. There have not been any real updates to our bike in sometime.
When I was questioning why Yamaha put the oil filter as the first thing that would touch ground on a bike that was intended to go off road, CW said that the engine may have come from a watercraft or ATV/UTV. If that is true, that could indicate that Yamaha wasn't sure if it wanted to go "all in" on the then new-ish ADV market.
Think about the tech that the R1m has on it. Yamaha has the capability to build a tech heavy ADV bike if they wanted to. They may have decided that the investment v. return just isn't there. If they built a modernized Tenere, the price would definitely have to increase. With today's economy, how many would they sell?
The fact that the aftermarket has not continued production of accessories says a lot. I have to assume that they have spoken with Yamaha and received confirmation that the Tenere is not going to return.
Not in the large capacity but the 900 makes sense as it's a modular approach.
Thegloryfades
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What is it people would want from a new T12? I like that its a fairly basic bike with some creature comforts like shaft drive and tubeless wheels. Its a good bike that can do it all reasonably well. My only real complaints are nit picky crap like a more comfy seat and less wind noise
AusTexS10
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I think your last paragraph pretty well sums it up with respect to the Super T.
That would allow a "parts bin" bike. Which the T-12 may have been from the start.