Yamalube oil, who makes it?

[Koinz]

Get it out of your system!

 

[bvail]

Already said it: with all that is going on, this is the closest we're going to get to an S10 this year. :'(

Anyway, Denso makes the filters, written right on them. )

Denso? Denso? This opens a whole new opportunity for a thread drift. Spark Plugs >

 

[Yamaguy55]

Denso? Denso? This opens a whole new opportunity for a thread drift. Spark Plugs >

Glad I could help! Find us the Autolite Iridium plug we need!

 

[Venture]

I'm sure they work, but I like to toss the crud, filter and all, out. I don't miss the filters like my WRR, the older XTs and other have where you open a cavity, remove the element, put in a new one. I would like it less to have to clean said element and put it back together. But that's me, and I'm sure others have different priorities. I'm old and lazy.

+1 on chucking it all. Nothing easier.

 

[rem]

Well, I've done some reading since I posed the "permanent" oil filter question earlier. I'm gonna pass on it. Apparently the pores are way too big, and the surface area is lacking. I'll buy the best one I can get, and replace it as recommended. Does anyone know of a Canadian (ewwwww) supplier with a good selection of quality motorcycle oil filters? Not much selection in this neck of the woods. Thanks. R

 

[toompine]

Talking filters now? I know a verrrry long thread over on the Multistrada.net thread I can link us to. :'( Actually it was a good one posted by a lubrication engineer with years of test experience in filters. If there is an interets I will find it again

Here you go :exclaim: http://www.multistrada.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8791&highlight=oil+filter georgemts is a lubrication engineer.

Here is one he did one oil http://www.multistrada.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2518&highlight=oil+filter

ok I am done now

 

[Koinz]

looks like we need to register and login - can you post some highlights instead.

 

[colorider]

Does anyone know of a Canadian (ewwwww) supplier with a good selection of quality motorcycle oil filters? Not much selection in this neck of the woods. Thanks. R

I thought Canadian Tire carried EVERYTHING!!!!

 

[rem]

You would think so but, alas, no. Not when it's something really important, it seems. I have perused the hallowed halls numerous times, all to no avail. It was truly a sad realization.

We actually have a Wal-Mart up here, so I might go check it out today. You never know. R

 

[colorider]

You would think so but, alas, no. Not when it's something really important, it seems. I have perused the hallowed halls numerous times, all to no avail. It was truly a sad realization.

We actually have a Wal-Mart up here, so I might go check it out today. You never know. R

Well, if you have a Walmart, check out the Super Tech line of filters. They are NOT that bad!!!

 

[rem]

I read that somewhere last night. I'll have a look. I'm heading down to the Mart in the Wall this morning. Days are really kicking now. Picking up about 5 minutes of daylight per day. There will be bikes on the road this week. I put my luggage back on my Honda yesterday. Heh heh. He's a fine looking boy. R

 

[colorider]

I put my luggage back on my Honda yesterday. Heh heh. He's a fine looking boy. R

Good!!!! You still need to consider WeSTOC in Nelson in June. Lot's of ST's will be there (along with a bunch of "has been" ST riders, like me).

http://www.stocrallies.com/westoc14/index.html

 

[rem]

I REMember your kind offer from a while back. Unfortunately, I have succumbed to the wishes of two of my riding buddies, and we will be exploring the Kenai peninsula during June 18 - 25 or therreabouts. However, I do plan on heading south at some point this summer. Gotta get 'er done. OIL. I thought I'd better mention that since this is an oil thread ..... Thanks again for the offer. R

 

[lotecredneck]

Correction..... It is now manufatured by Nippon Oil. The 10w30 was made by Citgo and has been discontinued. No more Hugo! )


Tony

 

[Yamaguy55]

I found some MSDS dating to the 90s and early 2000s, and some even said Esso made most of the 2 stroke stuff. I know Yamabond is Three bond with a different label. My guess is it changes from time to time, depending upon price and who can provide the oils needed. I''ll drop by the dearer when I get a chance and see what his newer MSDS says. But again, that could be just that batch, and the next batch something else. It does work, and work well. I don't patronize Hugo any more than I absolutely have to, but I won't shoot myself in the foot because of it, either.

 

[toompine]

looks like we need to register and login - can you post some highlights instead.

This is cut from the one on oil filters by George Morrison a lubricaiotn engineer, specifically research done on the Amsoil filter

just completed comparative, real world testing of Amsoil's new EaO engine oil filter and the results were far, far beyond any oil filter I have ever tested. The engine oil was actually cleaner than the oil I put IN the engine from the bottle! Which is exactly what we need for our Ducati engine/transmissions.
The problem is: Amsoil does not currently have an EaO oil filter for our Ducati engines. They have a filter listed on their web site but it is a simple paper/cellulose element exactly the same as OEM Ducati and K&N. i.e. NOT the level of performance of the EaO filter.

Amsoil says they will consider making an EaO for our Ducati if they get enough requests.. They say they need around 500 to consider. Since August they have had 2 requests and one of them was me.

This filter is SOO good that I would suggest the Multi group flood Amsoil's web site/ 800 number technical request site for the Ducati Eao Filter to be produced.

As NOTE: I am not now, nor ever have been an Amsoil dealer/Dist. but may well in the future, this oil filter is that good... Nothing comes close..
George Morrison, STLE CLS
Columbus, Ohio

Mr. TJ I would take from your comments that you are relatively new to this site, as your comments could not be further from the truth. I am a lube engineer working with primarily ExxonMobil and other major manufacturer's products daily and with my commitment to STLE as part of my CLS appelation, to share lubricant knowledge, unbiased as much as possible...
We have been discussing the lack of high quality oil filtration for some time on this site, which you obviously have missed. Frankly, up till the EaO filter, there simply was none... Only cellulose filtration which was akin to having a screen from a screen door as filtration..
Along comes a possibility! The Amsoil EaO is indeed world's better than even a Mobil 1/Pure 1 filter, but Amsoil does NOT currently make the filter for our Ducati. Thus, there is nothing for anyone to purchase.. I cannot, could not benefit in any way, other than hoping everyone lets Amsoil know that Ducati owners appreciate "the best" and that this lube engineer on site has shared the results of his own testing on his own vehicle confirming that it is currently the greatest filter since sliced bread. I want to be able to purchase the Amsoil EaO for my Ducati! That's it TJ... And of course enable everyone else to purchase it, if they wish to have the highest level of oil filtration.
I will not make any profit from my sharing. If you visit the web site where I work (www.avlube.com) you will not see any Amsoil products and doubtful that you ever will......

If you have data supporting another oil filter half as effective as the EaO, please present your data and we can review it also...

This is the first time I have ever enthusiastically supported a product on this site, by name; the only gain possibility being our Ducati engines, transmissions and oil performance life extension.
George Morrison, STLE CLS

 

[toompine]

Here is one he did one oil ok I am done now

This is a really long thread but I will drop in a few items

The primary focus of my post was the need to go to 6000 KM before switching to synthetic engine oil. In my view, that is waaay too far to be living with a mineral based oil in our engines. Break in has long since ceased by 6000 KM and we need the protection that full (or semi) synthetic lubrication provides.. Along with the increased cooling provided by the synthetic base stock. Ideally, for me, a couple quick mineral oil change-outs at 500 or 750 miles, then another changeout at 1500 for good measure, then on to full synthetic.. At 1000 to 1500 miles all the "breaking in" that is going to take place is completed and now we are starting to 'wear'...

"Klotz is excellent oil altho a bit pricey, as you have found. Again, in synthetic engine oils, our Ducati engines simply do not need to churn a 50W oil. We are indeed robbing horsepower, the degree of which depends on the oil manufacturer.. Some 50 weights are just barely over teh 40W viscosity level yet meet the 50W requirements for viscosity allowable range. The thicker the base oil, the higher VI (visocsity index) (needed to achieve the side numbered designation (i.e. a 20W-50 or even 15W-50)) simply costs more money. Thus some oil companies produce a 20W-50 oil which *just* passes the 50W. Other, uncompromising oil companies produce a higher cost to manufacture 20W-50 that ends up in the middle or high end of the 50W range. Providing a much higher level of operational viscosity. So, even in 50 weights, all are not equal.
Same is true for 10W-40 engine oils. The top rated MCN oils (I am still searching for my articles!) held viscosity not only in testing but after running. These oils were in mid to high 40W at operational temperatures and provided the (theoretical) best film thickness at those times.

Best oils MCN recommended. Please keep in mind that I am biased (more by professional experience than by paycheck) but Mobil 1 MX4T 10W-40 (and the Mobil 1 motorcycle series) were among the 4-5 top rated oils.. The nice part of Mobil 1 MX4T (or Mobil 1 racing 4T or Mobil 1 V-Twin (20W-50) is that they are very reasonable cost-wise yet contain the highest cost base stocks, additive packages, etc..
There is some history with Mobil 1 motorcycle oils in that the former chief chemist owned 17 bikes and, nearing his retirement, asked Mobil to forget the gold watch and allow him to formulate ultimate motorycle oils. Mobil 1 MX4T/VTwin were developed and we have the good fortune end results of his work. All of this series are superb cost no object products resulting from his work and yet marketed at an excellent price.

And yes, I have seen it soooo many times on Dyno's I guess I could write a book... As example in all NASCAR racing engines. 99% are now running a 0W-30 Mobil 1... It is all about horsepower gain without sacrificing wear rates... We have a local motorcycle shop that "guarantees" a HP gain with Mobil 1 MX4T/V-Twin over mineral based oils. If a dyno does not reflect an increase the shop owner pays for the Mobil 1 MX4T and the dyno run. If an increase is shown, bike owner pays. The shop owner has never paid for a dyno run... Most of the dramatic gains are for those bikes that drove in with a mineral based 20W-50, change to the 10W-40 MX4T... And yes, the guy comes to mind that spent serious dollars on mods only to have the oil change achieve more; he was running a 60W! (as adivsed by the engine builder/modifier)

And yes, I would venture to say that your skilled right hand would be able to *easily* discern the difference in rear wheel horsepower for your engine with a 10W-40 vs. your current 50W. And yes, I have seen people spend huge sums of money for that extra 1 or 2 horsepower (NASCAR, again, comes to mind) when a simple viscosity change achieves the same end... Try churning a 50W with a hand egg-beater sometime then switch to a 40W.. You will be amazed at the difference..
George Morrison, STLE CLS
Columbus, Ohio


It is part of my professional requirement (to educate, share lubrication knowledge) of continued certification in the Society of Tribologists and Lubrication Engineers and an aspect I take great pleasure in doing. There are so many myths, wive's tales, and just plain mis-information regarding lubrication that have been accepted as fact; I deal with it every day in industry. Multi-million dollar pieces of equipment in which lubricants are mis-applied on the basis that "we always have done it that way".. Done it wrong for so many years they are actually very good at doing it; but it is still wrong...
Again, thank you for the opportunity......
George Morrison, STLE CLS


Regarding ease of shifting and locating neutral, yes, reduction in friction can/will occur almost immediately on changeover to a Group IV/V (Mobil MX4T, etc.) especially with a corresponding viscosity grade reduction from an XXW50W (especially non Group IV/V) to the appropriate 10W-40W. It does take a few miles for the oil to get to every nook and cranny in the gearbox, so it will get ever so slightly better with time.
George Morrison, STLE CLS

 

[Bigbore4]

Hey guys, try this linky. Same George on the Monster Forum. One of the members over there took many pages of posts, culled out all the drift and locked it. a veritable goldmine of info.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0

 

[Koinz]

Hey guys, try this linky. Same George on the Monster Forum. One of the members over there took many pages of posts, culled out all the drift and locked it. a veritable goldmine of info.

http://www.ducatimonsterforum.org/index.php?topic=1912.0

George seems to know his stuff. Good information

 

[Yamaguy55]

Does anybody know who the manufacturer is of the Yamalube oil?
I am sure Yamaha has no oilplants, so an other company must make it for them.

Went by my not-so-local addiction parlor today (the motorcycle shop where my S10 is on order) and chatted up the parts guy. His info on your question as of today, is that for Yamaha 4T mineral oil, not synthetic, the source is JX Nippon Oil & Energy USA, INC 300 Park Blvd, Suite 105, Itasca, IL, 60143.

I believe now, and have believed, that this source changes depending upon a variety of things: price, product, etc.

So there's your non- answer. I have the MSDS sheet in front of me right now on the desk. Can't say for any other Yamalube product.