Will I get parts failure

[Nikolajsen]

Since I bought my new 2017 S10, and joined this forum, that is very informative, and with so much knowledge.
I have been reading so much about the problems in the poll, that I am beginning to think, that I might have chosen the wrong bike, regarding parts failure...

In order to be able to really answer this poll, I will set some prerequisites:

1) It is a 2. gen S10 (from 2017)
2) The period is the next 8 years.
3) I never drive real offroad, only gravel roads. And no serious water crossing.
4) I never drive in winter time (when salt on road)
5) My S10 is out off the rain/snow/wind, when stored for winter.
6) I only use my S10 for pleasure= do must of my driving when is isn't raining. I will of course continue my trip, even if I get surprised by rain.
7) When not using my S10 during the work days, it is under roof, so no rain. (unless it also is very windy)
9) It will be serviced by the Yamaha dealer the next 5 years. (I have Yamaha 5 years warranty, that in DK requires service according to manual, at a certified Yamaha dealer)
10) As Garry kind of pointed out, I was missing the amount of km/m I usual drive. It is between 6000 to 10000 km a year. (3750 to 6250 miles a year)

I hope you will participate in my little poll
And yes, I know ::021::, but still
I also know, that we for good reason, mostly read about problems, not much sense in posting "All is good, no problems"
I also know that some other try to get the good story in focus, one example is the thread "Ain't done crap to it" ::008::

 

[Dogdaze]

Can I start by saying that as a Gen 2 bike you will be less likely to suffer from most if not all of the issues that the Gen 1 (I say this knowing only a low % suffered these symptoms) As you seldom ride in bad weather the only real issues will be 'wear and tear' items that will need replacing over time/mileage. The jerky throttle carried over to Gen 2, but as the clutch and and motor was much smoother it was not as bad.
The cruise control issue has now a solution, should it happen to you, but it is not something that will leave you stranded, as that is my only concern, a part failing and leaving me stranded. Your climate is very similar to mine, as is your reason for riding, so I use ACF 50, perhaps invest in a can?
Suffering a catastrophic failure can happen, as nothing is infallible, but highly unlikely. So, enjoy your bike for the reasons you bought it.

 

[Nikolajsen]

I did not know ACF 50.
I have now read about it, and it almost sound to good to be true....
As I read on the danish page I found, it can be used EVERYWHERE, directly on electric boards, in contacts, on brake caliber, rim, spokes....if you can think it, it can be used there ???
There must be something wrong
Price in DK, about 26€

Is it sticky?, so dirt will gather there?

 

[SilverBullet]

Since your poll didn't have a 0.5% (1/2 of 1%) vote option, I voted zero. Just ride

 

[Dogdaze]

I did not know ACF 50.
I have now read about it, and it almost sound to good to be true....
As I read on the danish page I found, it can be used EVERYWHERE, directly on electric boards, in contacts, on brake caliber, rim, spokes....if you can think it, it can be used there ???
There must be something wrong
Price in DK, about 26€

Is it sticky?, so dirt will gather there?

Not sticky, some people put it onto a rag and then apply, I used cardboard behind then spray and use the rag method. It 'runs' and so protects all the parts, use it at least twice per season.

AVOID BRAKE PADS AND DISCS AT ALL COSTS!!
If you do get it on those parts, wash off thoroughly, let dry and start again

 

[Madhatter]

my bike is 4 years old and 26 k on miles , and no issues. did replace headlight harness very early on as warranty (recall if I remember right ) and nothing else. I will change the cct soon not that it needs it ( mine has not sounded that it needs it yet ) as I plan on keeping this bike for a long time to come. and the cct is a known weak point ,that will take care of that. nik, you bought a great bike , relax. mine has lived outside its whole life and its doing well.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Nothing to worry about. Between our 4 Teneres my wife and I have done well over 100k miles. Never had a single problem that wasn't covered by a recall, or warranty. In fact the only issue we ever had was the cam chain tensioner on the gen one bikes. That was more of a minor annoyances than a true issue. Yamaha covered it under the Yes warranty.

The reason we've had so many Teneres is because I know they are so reliable. I have zero tolerance for problem prone bikes. We go long distance and I'm not interested breaking down.

You bought the right bike.

 

[Nikolajsen]

Thank you all, for reply. And keep them comming
@Dogdaze, don't worry...I'm not the kind of guy, that lubricate the brakepads/discs, if they start to sound like it need lubrication... , I will just change brakepads. (to OEM or same kind )

 

[gv550]

The only problem I've had with my bike was with the cruise control, and that happened at 31,000 kms within one year of riding. Many bikes don't get ridden that much in 8 years so it is difficult to know if the bike could have went 8 years without failure or not. Distance, time, and exposure to elements and abuse all contribute to parts failure.
I've owned dozens of motorcycles over 40+ years and this Super Tenere has been the only bike to go the first 30k without any problems.

 

[Checkswrecks]

You ought to look into the differences between here and the KTM, BMW, Triumph, Harley, and other forums. Topics here always wander into mild joking and other subjects. When a new owner here says he is worried about something, the existing members usually point him to the already existing threads about the subject. This has become a resource for all of us and a fairly low-key social community for most.


Meanwhile, forums for the other brands are INTENSE about problems, fixes, and what people think are necessary modifications.


The harness and idle issues were largely in the Gen1 bikes and even if you do have a problem with your cruise control, most of the causes have been documented here. Resetting brake lever and cleaning switches is nothing, compared to BMW forks, KTM rocker arms, etc.


The other thing not mentioned so far is that Mama Yama takes care of a lot of issues even when people's warranties have expired.

So yes,
::021::

 

[RonH]

Make sure your dealer is a good one if you trust him to do any work. I don't trust any of them after too many problems. Otherwise, most likely you won't have any problems. Friend of mine recently went to the hospital for hernea surgury and came out dead. Lot of motorcycles suffer the same fate when you entrust others to do work.

 

[RCinNC]

If 500 people respond to the poll, and 50 of them respond that you will have a 100% chance of a either a low/high idling, cruise control, or harness problems, what will that number actually mean to you? Will it cause you a lot of undue worry about your bike while you're riding it? Will you start to doubt its reliability, and maybe skip a long trip because 10 percent of the people in the poll reported problems? Would the number seem as significant if you knew that the site had 7758 members, and only 6.62% of registered members even responded? Would it seem significant compared to the total number of Super Teneres sold since 2010 or the total number sold of the model year you own? The problem, with a question like failure rates, is that you have wildly incomplete data from an online self reporting poll to formulate a reliable opinion about it. It might have a horrible failure rate, and it might not, and a self reporting poll couldn't really tell you either way.

That doesn't discount other members' experiences with the bike. The forums are great for providing info about what to keep an eye on, because just about every bike has some weird quirk that they become known for. The forums are great places to learn how to fix these quirks when they show up. When I had a V-Strom, the issues were things like installing a relay to avoid a short in the starter switch that causes the headlights to fail, or the stators failing so you should install a voltmeter to keep an eye on it. Those were good things to know. But a self reporting forum poll isn't the greatest way to determine a failure rate, and a poor result might end up causing you a lot of concern about something that isn't proportional to the actual failure rate.

But, if it helps, mine is a 2014 with 43,000 miles on it, and so far, I've had to replace two burned out headlight bulbs.

 

[Dogdaze]

I think RCinNC makes a very valid point, only problems ever get reported, 1000's run without an issue so you never hear from them. I was on the same forum as RC when I owned a V Strom, and the only thing I was worried about was a melting horn button when I installed a better horn, and chain oiling (which is not an issue, but dirty).

 

[Ramseybella]

I guess it's a crap shoot with the generation one bikes?
Mine was fine till around 30k it would stall and that was it, then as the miles piled on it started stalling, high-Low and bouncing around idle.
Changed the CCT at my first valve check to Manual (don't trust the auto CCT). Now i have a date with U.S. Yamaha'a travel mechanics in January to install a new main wiring harness after pleading with someone at Yamaha to look into this issue on our bikes.
That plea was answered by the service manager at Bobby J's Yamaha in Albuquerque.. O
Just from reading this forum a few things have changed from One models to the Two other than shock and CC, piston rings, Clutch basket, CCT I don't know what other major parts have been changed.
But I do know from reading the Gen 2 bikes have no idle stall issues, my theory all along was that Yamaha knew an issues was inside the wiring as why would they out of warranty be bringing a new harness with the mechanics for free, just on my observation on this forum from other Gen 1 riders that had a harness replaced and all was good??

 

[HeliMark]

I think this is one bike that you should never really worry. Like what has been said, yes, there could be problems. No mechanical thing made by man is immune to failures. But with Yamaha in general, you will see less than the normal stats from all the major manufacturers. Yamaha has the top spot on reliability. Could you have a bike that will have a lot of problems? Sure, like anything you buy, but less of a chance with yours.

I had a bike (different brand) that had a 36K mile warranty. I put 40K miles on it in 18 months and started having some problems with it. I was told I was out of luck, and I put too many miles on it in a short time. Unlike Yamaha's unlimited mileage.

I have a 2013 (gen 1) with 49K miles on it now. Not a lick of a problem. The headlight harness was replaced under the recall, and I updated the CCT when the valve check was done. Everything else has been normal maintenance stuff.

Look at the bikes that have been used for serious RTW.

One last thing, unlike other 1200CC bikes, this engine is derated a fair amount. Which means very little stress on the engine.

Mark

 

[Sierra1]

Make sure your dealer is a good one if you trust him to do any work.

100%. EVERY time my Jeep went in for warranty work, at a specific dealership, it came out with an additional/new problem. And I'm pretty sure I had the same brand as HeliMark. I hit 39K miles, and it turned into a turd. It took me four years to get to that mileage though. So, it must be a mileage thing more than a time thing. Other than THAT bike, I've never gave motorcycle warranties a second thought; nothing ever breaks, they just wear out.

 

[bnschroder]

I wouldn't worry but enjoy the bike. I have a 2014 ES, 17,000 miles, and not a single issue so far (except once I couldn't downshift anymore because I hadn't lubed the shifter pivot per schedule).
I ride it in rough off road conditions (but I don't jump it) and in the rain, but I do have a small cover when I park it outside when I travel. I suspect you can avoid a lot of electrical gremlins by avoiding water accumulating in the bike. I also don't really wash my bike, and certainly not with a power washer, which is also a likely cause for lots of trouble, especially for bearings.
I do all my maintenance myself, since my experience with dealers has been poor (for some reason most times I have taken my cars/.bikes to a dealer, the motor mounts are supposed to be shot - probably because no layman can diagnose it and it sounds so scary).

 

[Xclimation]

Yamaha has the highest reliability rating of all motorcycle manufacturers. Out of all the dual sport/adventure bikes....The Super Tenere has the best reliability rating.
ALL motor vehicles have inherit issues. My last bike (Honda VTX 1300C) is one of the most reliable bikes ever built and the Honda 1300 Vtwin has been one of the most reliable engines.
Having said this........Many VTX owners have had issues. My car is a Honda Accord. One of the most reliable cars. But many Accords do have issues.
You will only read about the issues. No one will come on here and post something like, "I rode my bike today and the horn worked."
I've been driven away from products through reading online reviews and experiences. But one has to read between the lines.
If you go to the blog for ANY motor vehicle, one would think whatever you are reading about has problems.
But most of all.....Thank goodness for these online blogs!!!!!

 

[Standby diver]

2012 with 42,000 miles bike has always started and runs perfect.

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[Nikolajsen]

Thank you all, for taking your time to answer, in words and in the poll ::012::

I have long before i bought my S10, seen that Yamaha, is the most reliable with a failure rate of 11%, like the link below.
http://www.motorcycle.com/top10/the-10-most-reliable-motorcycle-companies.html/10

But this also depends on wether the dealers world wide, reports correct back to Yamaha.
And the final user, maybe some just fix the "problems" them self...
I would trust a poll like this one, more than the other official one.

I know, that the official one might be more trustworty when it comes to the big failure. But often it is the small failure, that is the most annoying.

Anyway, I am very satisfied with the fact, that many of the problems seems to be on 1 gen. (but as I can read here, also 1 gen. can run without problems)
I actually was looking at buying a used S10, and the used one in DK, is still 95% gen 1. But the difference in money was too small.

So far 21 have voted, I hope for many more