Who will be changing there chain tensioner to the 14' during valve adjustment ?

[wfopete]

Now back to modern talk, as those 6 motorcycles will sit unused for the rest of eternity for me now., along with the Kawasaki H2 which by state of the art, has no shims or rockers to ever set

Yeah but as I recall the H2s often required frequent changing of the pilots underwear. Much messier than oil.

 

[Checkswrecks]

DCStrom just had to replace his tensioner and said that Yamaha France is starting to consider the original CCTs (not you folks with the new bikes) to be a wear item to be replaced by 50,000 miles. He's at around 76,000 and 2 years into his round the world trip.


What we need is for somebody changing theirs to take some photos and make a "how to" for the admins to make a maintenance sticky. I'll get to mine sooner or later and if not by then will do so.


As I wrote in a later post, see the maintenance manual. The procedure is shown and described well on pages 5-22, with mentions on 5-16 and 5-19.

 

[helipilotxtz12]

Yesterday I installed my new updated CCT. Wow what a smoother engine. No more rattle on start up or while Idling. Took me about 15 min to install. Let the bike on the side stand, used a ball Allen Wrench to remove and install the CCT. Pulled the clutch cover off with out loosing any oil or tearing the gasket. So sweet. This bike is so easy to work on its not even funny. Thanks Yamaha. Now Bring us the XT660Z please. ::022::

 

[~TABASCO~]

Did you keep tention on the chan when changing the CCT? Or did you just pull the old CCT and then install the new one? Were you concerned that one of the cam sprockets could possibly jump a tooth? What was your method for unlocking the new one? Thanks

 

[Mzee]

My local mechanic quoted 530.90 $ for parts and labour. He needs two days to work on the bike to replace the CCT, etc. What do you think? How long does it take to change the CCT?

945916115000 CHAIN 1.00
2BS122100000 TENSIONER ASSY, CAM
14B122130000 GASKET TENS.
23P122520000 DAMPER CHAIN
23P122510000 DAMPER CHAIN
CONS CONSUMABLES 1.00
LAB001 LABOUR WORKSHOP 6.00

 

[Mzee]

My local mechanic quoted 530.90 $ for parts and labour. He needs two days to work on the bike to replace the CCT, etc. What do you think? How long does it take to change the CCT?

945916115000 CHAIN 1.00
2BS122100000 TENSIONER ASSY, CAM
14B122130000 GASKET TENS.
23P122520000 DAMPER CHAIN
23P122510000 DAMPER CHAIN
CONS CONSUMABLES 1.00
LAB001 LABOUR WORKSHOP 6.00

Do you need to change all the things I have indicated above including the chain? What exactly is involved? Can someone describe the process step by step and possibly with photos?

I don't have 530$ for this job.

 

[Don in Lodi]

There are two gaskets involved, the tensioner has one, and the side cover has one. These may or may not be re-usable. No chains need to be done at this time. Perhaps at the 100,000 mile service just for peace of mind, but I don't think our high miles guys have done their chains either. Even with high mileage, I'd be more concerned with the guides over the chains anyway. As noted by Helipilot, the whole thing should be done in less than an hour, your labor quote of 6 hours is way out of line... for all the chains it's ok, not for just a tensioner. It is a pretty straight forward part swap, the only tricky thing is getting past the harness and being sure the tensioner has been released from it's retracted mode.

 

[longride]

I will probably maintain the CCT like every other system on the bike. If it starts to give me trouble I'll change it. The symptoms are obvious, and the fix is cheap and easy. Is the 14 CCT better? I don't think anyone knows that yet.

 

[Checkswrecks]

My local mechanic quoted 530.90 $ for parts and labour. He needs two days to work on the bike to replace the CCT, etc. What do you think? How long does it take to change the CCT?

945916115000 CHAIN 1.00
2BS122100000 TENSIONER ASSY, CAM
14B122130000 GASKET TENS.
23P122520000 DAMPER CHAIN
23P122510000 DAMPER CHAIN
CONS CONSUMABLES 1.00
LAB001 LABOUR WORKSHOP 6.00

Not like you need to search!!! - The answers to your questions about what is required and time are in THIS thread, one being just a couple of posts above yours.
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Price-wise, your mechanic probably quoted full retail for the parts. I just ordered the tensioner, gaskets, and even new pretty black bolts off of parts fish for $155.52 delivered. I can't even imagine how he quoted 6 hours of labor, which would make me look for another mechanic.

 

[Don in Lodi]

I will probably maintain the CCT like every other system on the bike. If it starts to give me trouble I'll change it. The symptoms are obvious, and the fix is cheap and easy. Is the 14 CCT better? I don't think anyone knows that yet.

The tensioner is a redesign. Somebody took the two of them apart and photo'd them for us. Better? Mine has chattered from the crate, if it doesn't chatter when I get done with this, yes, it will have been a better part. To many people have had silence after the swap, it's gotta be doing something right.

 

[EricV]

My local mechanic quoted 530.90 $ for parts and labour. He needs two days to work on the bike to replace the CCT, etc. What do you think? How long does it take to change the CCT?

945916115000 CHAIN 1.00
2BS122100000 TENSIONER ASSY, CAM
14B122130000 GASKET TENS.
23P122520000 DAMPER CHAIN
23P122510000 DAMPER CHAIN
CONS CONSUMABLES 1.00
LAB001 LABOUR WORKSHOP 6.00

Talk to your mechanic again, this time tell him you just want to change the cam chain tensioner, NOT the cam chain and ask for another quote on full cost. The CCT is not that difficult to change, but the cam chain is much, much more involved. Some would drop the engine for a cam chain replacement.

 

[helipilotxtz12]

Did you keep tention on the chan when changing the CCT? Or did you just pull the old CCT and then install the new one? Were you concerned that one of the cam sprockets could possibly jump a tooth? What was your method for unlocking the new one? Thanks

The chain is not moving anywhere while the CCT is out. You can use a ball allan wrench and pull the old CCT out and reinstall the new one. I left the bike on the side stand so I would not loose any of my fresh oil. The clutch cover comes off super easy. Then you take a long screw drive and just pop the Cam Chain Guide/Slider back until the CCT pop and tightens the chain. Watch you fingers!!! While the CCT is out don't try and Turn the engine over and You'll be fine! The whole job took less the 15 min. Really less the 15. The warranty Flat rate is .28 so its a way easy job. I did replace the CCT gasket but not the bolt or the Clutch cover Gasket. Took for a ride yesterday and she is smoother and quitter and no rattle on start up. SHE is a happy Girl. JUST DO IT YOU'LL BE HAPPY YOU DID. ::003::

 

[~TABASCO~]

The chain is not moving anywhere while the CCT is out. You can use a ball allan wrench and pull the old CCT out and reinstall the new one. I left the bike on the side stand so I would not loose any of my fresh oil. The clutch cover comes off super easy. Then you take a long screw drive and just pop the Cam Chain Guide/Slider back until the CCT pop and tightens the chain. Watch you fingers!!! While the CCT is out don't try and Turn the engine over and You'll be fine! The whole job took less the 15 min. Really less the 15. The warranty Flat rate is .28 so its a way easy job. I did replace the CCT gasket but not the bolt or the Clutch cover Gasket. Took for a ride yesterday and she is smoother and quitter and no rattle on start up. SHE is a happy Girl. JUST DO IT YOU'LL BE HAPPY YOU DID. ::003::

Just waiting on the part Thanks

 

[vnp514]

Just waiting on the part Thanks

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Pete

 

[Mzee]

Talk to your mechanic again, this time tell him you just want to change the cam chain tensioner, NOT the cam chain and ask for another quote on full cost. The CCT is not that difficult to change, but the cam chain is much, much more involved. Some would drop the engine for a cam chain replacement.

Thank you. As I understand it, all I need to change is the CCT.

Perhaps my mechanic only quoted as I requested. There is a lot going on this thread, I thought one has to change parts 10-15 in the parts guide. So I sent my mechanic the entire list. I am not surprised he quoted me work for six hours.

I will ask for another quote just for the cam tensioner.

 

[Checkswrecks]

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Pete

I thought photos would be helpful to many as well, but AVC8130 was correct, as usual.
Look in the Maintenance Manual (MM) for the illustration and instructions. The procedure is well shown and described.


For the version of the bootleg 2010-2013 MM that so many folks have downloaded from the Dutch site, the procedure is on Page 5-22, with a couple of mentions on pages 5-16 and 5-19. (Obviously, don't post a copy of the copyrighted MM here.)


With the tensioner out and AS LONG AS the crank does not rotate, the tensioner guide will lay on the chain to keep the chain on the cam and crank teeth. This is easy to see in the MM illustration.


To pop the side cover, lift the tank, open the clutch cover, replace the tensioner & 2 bolts, release the tensioner (push with a screwdriver), and button everything back up looks like the hour that AVC8130 wrote it took him. As with helipilot, Tony wrote that he did it on the side stand and only had to replace a very small amount of oil.


While the tank is up and after assuring that the engine runs again, this will be a good time to do a throttle body sync.

 

[Z06]

Just did my seventh and should be final oil change on this ride. Had fingers crossed when I fired it up. It rattled like crazy for 10 seconds or so. In touch with my dealer now to try and have one waiting when I get home next month.

 

[Mzee]

I wrote back to my mechanic and he quoted only for the tensioner and Gasket, but still charged 3 hours worth of labour. Honestly if I can get a good description, step by step, I will do it myself. In any case I need to learn how things are done. Hope you folks agree.

 

[helipilotxtz12]

Dude the Warranty Claim only pays their Techs .28 that just over 15 min. If you lift the Tank up it will give you more room to work. There is a wiring harness that lays right over the CCT the is a little bit of a bother. Pull the two Allan bolts out the CCT comes ride out. Easy. Then with the bike on the side stand pull the Clutch cove off. That's the One on the right side of the engine sitting on the bike. Be careful not to brake the gasket. Once the cover is removed take a Flat bladed screw driver and Just pop the Chain guide back toward the clutch. It doesn't take much. The CCT will pop and the Chain will tighten right up. There is no way it would take 3 hour unless he is taking a nap in between bolt removal. If you lived in southern Oregon I would pop it on for you in my Drive way. No oil was lost during the CCT replacement. ::021::


Keith

 

[eemsreno]

Dude the Warranty Claim only pays their Techs .28 that just over 15 min. If you lift the Tank up it will give you more room to work. There is a wiring harness that lays right over the CCT the is a little bit of a bother. Pull the two Allan bolts out the CCT comes ride out. Easy. Then with the bike on the side stand pull the Clutch cove off. That's the One on the right side of the engine sitting on the bike. Be careful not to brake the gasket. Once the cover is removed take a Flat bladed screw driver and Just pop the Chain guide back toward the clutch. It doesn't take much. The CCT will pop and the Chain will tighten right up. There is no way it would take 3 hour unless he is taking a nap in between bolt removal. If you lived in southern Oregon I would pop it on for you in my Drive way. No oil was lost during the CCT replacement. ::021::


Keith

I think you are very lucky if you changed your CCT this way.
Yamaha gives 2.5 hours to do the work.
That intake cam will jump back two teeth on the chain if it's not cable tied around the sprocket before removing the CCT.
Good Luck!