Well another dealer bites the dust. If your sensitive dont read this post

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It all comes down to ethics. Once upon a time. . . . the bike business was booming, and they got away with questionable ethics. Lose a customer. . . . there's another one right behind him/her. With the decreasing interest in bikes, they better shape their shit up. . . . or there won't be any customers to replace the ones that left.
Bike sales are down no matter the brand and most country's. After riding a 140cc scooter it truly made sense and it cost $700. At that price the labor isnt worth as much as many more people can do it and well its scooter. Its much harder to add perceived value even if it's a vespa at $3400. As far as bikes go I think its going to get worse and small shops will be the way to go if they can manage the astronomical costs of operating especially like here in California.
 

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Very interesting thread,,,,several different subjects actually being addressed here. Having been a repair (non moto) business for 40 years I see both sides here.

My experience with different bike dealers over the years has varied. At this stage of life, I want a pro to work on it, do a good job and all I do is ride and enjoy it. I try to build relationships and use that to my advantage as a customer. I never begrudge my dealer a profit and tell them so. I also make it clear what I expect for my money. I also tell them if they can't deliver I'll just shake hands and go elsewhere.
I'm not a wealthy man, but I also know money is what turns the world,,,and I use my money to get what I want. I don't know how that reads for most folks, but I demand and usually receive quality service. Maybe I'm just lucky.

Here in AZ I HIGHLY recommend GO AZ Motorcycles in Scottsdale, Sierra Cycles in Sierra Vista, Show Low Motorsports in Show Low and not least, my brother Scott Smith "The Bikesmith" he's a custom mechanic with a mobile shop and dyno, and no I don't bother him to work on my bikes, he's too busy working on others that will pay him. I have purchased bikes, gear and had service done at all of these dealers and had EXCELLENT service.., LOLOLOL,,,as they say YMMV:cool: Cheers!
 

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Bike sales are down no matter the brand and most country's. After riding a 140cc scooter it truly made sense and it cost $700. At that price the labor isnt worth as much as many more people can do it and well its scooter. Its much harder to add perceived value even if it's a vespa at $3400. As far as bikes go I think its going to get worse and small shops will be the way to go if they can manage the astronomical costs of operating especially like here in California.
Aw man, after reading your post I googled U.S. motorcycle sales & surprised/sadden to see the data which kinda explains the decline in shops. Good news is the manufactures are putting out some great bikes these days & still spending money on R&D even 2 stroke tech is evolving gotta love that !
Are choices of what to ride are better than ever I guess we just won't be able to get em repaired !!
 

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Aw man, after reading your post I googled U.S. motorcycle sales & surprised/sadden to see the data which kinda explains the decline in shops. Good news is the manufactures are putting out some great bikes these days & still spending money on R&D even 2 stroke tech is evolving gotta love that !
Are choices of what to ride are better than ever I guess we just won't be able to get em repaired !!
Ya there trying new market/ sales strategies. That's why your seeing more smaller bikes but it will time to see if works. I doubt it will work as things are getting more expensive not just bikes. I think it has to be something radically different, efficient and cheap. Also on a side note that's why when I went Bert's mega mall they didnt want to work on my bike it's not worth it to them.
 
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In Minnesota, we had a slow start to the season but by season end there was a surge of new registrations. As I understand it, the new registrations were in the "lighter weight" bikes. I heard their was also a surge in boat, ATV and RV sales too.

We also saw a surge in the demand for the States/MSF BRC endorsement classes. At season end this year we were adding classes up until shut down last week. Normally we are shedding classes in Sept/Oct for lack of sign ups.

How this will all total out at the end of calendar year? Remains to be seen I think
 

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In Minnesota, we had a slow start to the season but by season end there was a surge of new registrations. As I understand it, the new registrations were in the "lighter weight" bikes. I heard their was also a surge in boat, ATV and RV sales too.

We also saw a surge in the demand for the States/MSF BRC endorsement classes. At season end this year we were adding classes up until shut down last week. Normally we are shedding classes in Sept/Oct for lack of sign ups.

How this will all total out at the end of calendar year? Remains to be seen I think
It shows signs if market recovery with the new strategy however to what levels like you said remains to be been. Someone posted a HD sales are up in last few months but they where not looking at sales from the last few years. I think this marketing stuff is cool, that change is here but good or bad? Well....
 

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. . . . I heard their was also a surge in boat, ATV and RV sales too. . . .
Apparently anything that gets you outdoors is in high demand. Oddly enough, with all the bikes that have been sold around here, I haven't seen any of them on the road. Just the same smattering of cruisers, and tourers.
 

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Apparently anything that gets you outdoors is in high demand. Oddly enough, with all the bikes that have been sold around here, I haven't seen any of them on the road. Just the same smattering of cruisers, and tourers.
Might be that people are outdoors more and theres a nice discount on inventory that's been sitting for awhile. However well what one feels can change from time to time. Like when someone says I ride a lot and have been for 20 years but only on the weekends in 75 degree weather. :D
 

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. . . . Like when someone says I ride a lot and have been for 20 years but only on the weekends in 75 degree weather. :D
That always makes me laugh. Friend of mine that I'd know for years was buying a bike. I told to make sure he took a MSF course. He quickly told me that he'd been riding his whole life. When asked him when the last time he'd been on a bike, he admitted that it had been awhile. I'd never known him to have ever ridden. Even after he got the bike, he was only a fair weather rider, on the weekends.
 
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