The Mitas E-07 tire thread merge-fest

[Davesax36]

Shrink wrap and a piece of cardboard taped on as the label holder seems to be the best way. I've shipped a couple whole wheels this way.

 

[Jabba]

Sorry- I meant what carrier? I've gotten them delivered before, just wondering about the $$$

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[EricV]

Your best options to explore are USPS and UPS. UPS will charge dimensional freight, but for that size its not too bad. If the tire(s) are under the USPS limit, that may be a cheaper option, depending on how far they are going. I ship a lot with UPS and have priced against USPS for smaller boxes. For Alaska, USPS wins, for most of the lower 48, UPS comes in cheaper, at least with my account and what I ship.

For the right price, someone can just ride over and pick the tires up.

 

[RonH]

Unless you have a business account with UPS, you are best off selling locally. Possibly if you drive to Denver and drop them off at UPS directly it may be an affordable option. I just made the mistake of going through UPS.com and shipping a 6Lb helmet in the original box. $33.00 to ship from CO to FL using drop off at a UPS store, and that was cheapest ground service taking 4 business days. I would imagine shipping 2 tires this way would be costly to say the least. Maybe give them some more time. Tires always get to feel better in a few hundred miles to me after the profile flattens out a little.

 

[Jabba]

Your best options to explore are USPS and UPS. UPS will charge dimensional freight, but for that size its not too bad. If the tire(s) are under the USPS limit, that may be a cheaper option, depending on how far they are going. I ship a lot with UPS and have priced against USPS for smaller boxes. For Alaska, USPS wins, for most of the lower 48, UPS comes in cheaper, at least with my account and what I ship.

For the right price, someone can just ride over and pick the tires up.

And get them mounted while they wait.....

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[bnschroder]

Just returned from a 6-day, 1900 mile trip to VA and WV and I am now a little disappointed by my Mitas E-07 front tire. After only about 7000 miles it's toast, and the last 1,000 miles I have had increasing handlebar vibrations, with a scary tank-slapper when taking my hands briefly off the handlebars at lower speed.
I wonder if anybody else had this issue and if it may be due to running it at the high end of the tire pressure (32 PSI)? I ran my original Bridgestones at the same pressure and the front outlasted the rear significantly.
Since the rear is still pretty good, I am considering only replacing the front with a Metzler Tourance that a friend took off his bike with only 1,000 miles. Is there any reason this is a bad idea (beside looking odd and like I am a cheap bastard, which would only be true)?

 

[jmz]

I think 32 is a little low for that tire even though the manufacturer says otherwise.

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[Don in Lodi]

Just returned from a 6-day, 1900 mile trip to VA and WV and I am now a little disappointed by my Mitas E-07 front tire. After only about 7000 miles it's toast, and the last 1,000 miles I have had increasing handlebar vibrations, with a scary tank-slapper when taking my hands briefly off the handlebars at lower speed.
I wonder if anybody else had this issue and if it may be due to running it at the high end of the tire pressure (32 PSI)? I ran my original Bridgestones at the same pressure and the front outlasted the rear significantly.
Since the rear is still pretty good, I am considering only replacing the front with a Metzler Tourance that a friend took off his bike with only 1,000 miles. Is there any reason this is a bad idea (beside looking odd and like I am a cheap bastard, which would only be true)?

Check the date on that Tourance just to be safe.

 

[EricV]

You got cupping on the front due to various factors. I agree with the too low of pressure. I've been running 36 psi in the front and 42 in the rear on the E07 Dakars. I don't have any nastiness up front at 13k miles. A little minor cupping, but not feeling it in the bars so far.

FWIW, Low pressure and braking into corners are the primary reason a front tire cups badly.

Why did you feel 32 psi was a good pressure for your needs?

 

[SilverBullet]

+2
Air pressure is way too low. I run 38-40psi and have never had bad or uneven wear on E-07 Dakars. This tire has a mfg max cold rating of 42psi. Never less than 15k mile life and typically 17k. I can take my hands off the bars at 80mph. I've had speed up to 95mph and chopped the throttle to induce head shake and still nothing, rock solid. BTW I have never balanced my tires either in 83k miles. Install tire by hand and then put 8oz. of Ride-On balancer/sealant inside.

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[bnschroder]

I just went with the owner's manual recommendation which says 33 in the front (and I probably ran it closer to 33 than 32 - you never know with a non digital gauge, and 1 PSI shouldn't make a difference.
And the tire is definitely more worn in the center which is typically a sign for high inflation

 

[tomatocity]

Agree with the too low tire pressure. I run 34-36 and add 5 psi for the rear. Why 5 psi difference... because it works for me. I wear the rear tire out before the front. Use a lot of engine breaking instead of brakes.

 

[Scott Williams]

Mileage report...E07 rear and TKC80 front. A bit better than the original Bridgestones...with the same riding conditions. Got 16,000 km from the BR's and 17,000 km from the second pair. Normally 2 up, 60-70 mph, 90% on "paved" Honduras roads with potholes. Reason I went this way is because once you leave the highway, everything is dry, loose dirt with river rock from 1/2 in. To 3 in. This includes pulling off highway for every store, restaurant, gas station, rest stop, pharmacy, etc. Never being a dirt or trail guy, I never felt very secure offroad with the BR's... like riding on marbles...although I never went down. The Mitas rear and TKC80 front give me a whole lot more confidence. Good combo in rain, but I never push it. The bike is put away for the four month rainy season. I read a ton of posts before buying this combo. It suits my needs. Am confidently running 43 lbs. rear and 38 front with 2 up. 40 rear and 35 front on the odd occasion I am solo. Never turned the TKC80 front around, as some have suggested. Now cupping at 17,000 km. Replacing next month with the same tires. Happy. Oh, at these tire pressures, the tire temp does not exceed 150 degrees....even down here.

 

[EricV]

I just went with the owner's manual recommendation which says 33 in the front (and I probably ran it closer to 33 than 32 - you never know with a non digital gauge, and 1 PSI shouldn't make a difference.
And the tire is definitely more worn in the center which is typically a sign for high inflation

One of the issues with the owner's manual numbers is that even for a heavily loaded condition, they neglect to increase the front tire pressure. They do the same on other large Yamaha bikes. For optimal tire wear and handling, 33 psi is too low. I put 109k on my first Super Ten and have 16k on my second. 160k miles plus on a FJR before the S10s and countless tires, all run at 36F/42R and mostly loaded up for touring and ridden aggressively on the FJR as well. I get more life than most from my tires too.

Worn in the center Vs worn on the outside is a benchmark for auto tires that doesn't equally apply to motorcycle tires. Moto tires are used differently and the carcass is designed differently. Some things do work on both, but at the end of the day wear in the center of a front tire probably only means you spend more time going strait than hard cornering, which is most of us that aren't doing track days.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

My Mitas E07 front at 7,000 miles. Clearly worn, but not in any hurry to replace it.

I've been all over the place on pressure. My normal is 32/33 up front and 39/42 in the rear. Not sure how long my good tire pressure gauge was out of calibration. During that time I was running more like 39 up front and 47 in the rear. Can't honestly say I noticed much (or any) difference when I took it back to 33/40. I seem to be pretty immune to noticing that level of difference.

 

[Checkswrecks]

fwiw - I run about 37/39 on pavement and drop to about 28/30 on dirt. If I feel like changing it.

I get more miles out of these tires and the K60 by using a dremel to groove the rear when it's down to the solid center. Tread tools are available but the dremel with a 1/4-3/8" diameter bit works fine. https://www.google.com/shopping/product/7584107679129374847?rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&q=High+Speed+Cutter+dremel+tool&biw=1120&bih=538&dpr=2.2&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiroKmQnrbWAhUBRGMKHRqZDIAQ8gII6wIwAA

The ground rules I use are:
1. No sharp-edged cuts. That's why the min 1/4" bit.
2. Tears or cuts to the fabric plies are instant trash pile for the tire.
3. No grooving it below what the manufacturer did.
4. Rain grooves are on diagonals to move water.
5. When in doubt, do less. You can always cut more later but you can't put material back on.

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[SilverBullet]

Checkwrecks can you dremel groove this tire for me? I'm south of the border now and still have ~1,400 miles to get home. Gonna keep fingers and toes crossed, stay on pavement and pull over and stop if I hit any rain.

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[Don in Lodi]

That's one used up tire! Cord will show up one stop to the next, not one day to the next, be careful.

 

[SilverBullet]

That's one used up tire! Cord will show up one stop to the next, not one day to the next, be careful.

Yes will be checking it at each fuel stop. Riding straight thru so no multiple days unless I see cords after crossing back into US then will find a cheap Shinko to get me home and do a parking lot swap. I have 2 brand new E0-7 Dakars home in the garage and another with ~3k miles left. One spot on this tire has ever slightly more wear so I know exactly wear to look each stop. I've ridden on cords before but hoping that will not be the case here (but close).

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[Checkswrecks]

That's one used up tire! Cord will show up one stop to the next, not one day to the next, be careful.

Agreed!


SilverBullet - Glad you know better than to ride on the cords. Once they show, there's just a thin rubber inner liner (tube material) between upright and falling on your ass.