Hi folks.
I have many times on the trails (mud, boggy sand) and at traffic lights (hooliganizing + wheelies, etc) wanted a "quick" method of switching the TCS and ABS off.
Now before all the koolade swilling, mocha latte sipping BMjubbly riders start beating their whale foreskin clad chests, read on and hear me out.
I have had 10 pleasurable months and done 12,000 kms on my S10 to know what I want.
Both the TCS and ABS systems work great on this bike but there are times that for my own reasons I would prefer to be able to turn them off - Quickly and temporarily.
The latest time (and typical example) was earlier on this week when I took a between building sites detour only to find bottomless quicksand with some large rocks (still passable at a slowed pace) blocking the path.
The problem with the TCS switch on the dash is that you need to stop and hold it in to be able to switch the TCS of... The ensuing loss of momentum obviously leads to instant bogging and a pain in the arse.
I am not interested in making a kit for the S10 as its probably already been or being done by people that have less fear of litigation or better liability insurance than I can afford. This is something I want for my bike only.
But, I need a hand. I am hopeful there is someone out there who is better with electrical schematics or working knowledge of this type of wiring that can advise the best possible method to achieve my desired outcome.
I dont care if this switching results in the dash lighting up temporarily, and I dont need individual control to switch of ABS or TCS, in fact I prefer to switch them both of at once and then, if necessary, stop the bike and start again with the system normal after switching back. I do however want to be able to deactivate both systems instantly and on the run.
I want to be able to flick one switch on the L/H bar to disengage the ABS while at the same time render the TCS inoperable.
I am not sure what the aftermarket suppliers are offering at the moment and dont really care. I assume that if the supply through the ABS fuse is interupted, the ECU will see a fault and disable the ABS. A part of this assumption is that the TCS will also fault because it must register that there is no signal from the ABS.??? OR, does the signal from the front and rear wheel rotation encoders seperate and run parallel to both the TCS controller/ECU? and the ABS ECU??
I have done a couple of tests and pulled the ABS motor fuse (#6 in the pic) and that disabled the ABS but did not fault the TCS (ran the bike for a minute on the stand - up and down gears).
I also pulled the plug for the rear wheel sensor (in the harness under the tank) and that had the same effect.. Did not fault the TCS.
Just to check, i also ran the bike on the stand in second gear (20>30 seconds) and both the ABS and TCS faulted.
This has me confused. Is it just a matter of interrupting one wheel sensor wire (feed in or feed out)???
I read in a very early test that the ABS and TCS was deactivated if the sensor was unbolted from the front wheel and zip tied to the side of the fork leg. This indicates that the system still sends a signal to the sensor but does not get the required info back therefore faulting the system.
I am sorry for the picture size but I thought it would be best this big to be able to properly see the details and even print out.
Come on guys. I know there are some smarty's amongst you...
Greg.
P.S - Note: the front and rear wheel sensor wires are shielded so I have no idea if they can be cut into to be able to tap a wire up to the bars.
I have many times on the trails (mud, boggy sand) and at traffic lights (hooliganizing + wheelies, etc) wanted a "quick" method of switching the TCS and ABS off.
Now before all the koolade swilling, mocha latte sipping BMjubbly riders start beating their whale foreskin clad chests, read on and hear me out.
I have had 10 pleasurable months and done 12,000 kms on my S10 to know what I want.
Both the TCS and ABS systems work great on this bike but there are times that for my own reasons I would prefer to be able to turn them off - Quickly and temporarily.
The latest time (and typical example) was earlier on this week when I took a between building sites detour only to find bottomless quicksand with some large rocks (still passable at a slowed pace) blocking the path.
The problem with the TCS switch on the dash is that you need to stop and hold it in to be able to switch the TCS of... The ensuing loss of momentum obviously leads to instant bogging and a pain in the arse.
I am not interested in making a kit for the S10 as its probably already been or being done by people that have less fear of litigation or better liability insurance than I can afford. This is something I want for my bike only.
But, I need a hand. I am hopeful there is someone out there who is better with electrical schematics or working knowledge of this type of wiring that can advise the best possible method to achieve my desired outcome.
I dont care if this switching results in the dash lighting up temporarily, and I dont need individual control to switch of ABS or TCS, in fact I prefer to switch them both of at once and then, if necessary, stop the bike and start again with the system normal after switching back. I do however want to be able to deactivate both systems instantly and on the run.
I want to be able to flick one switch on the L/H bar to disengage the ABS while at the same time render the TCS inoperable.
I am not sure what the aftermarket suppliers are offering at the moment and dont really care. I assume that if the supply through the ABS fuse is interupted, the ECU will see a fault and disable the ABS. A part of this assumption is that the TCS will also fault because it must register that there is no signal from the ABS.??? OR, does the signal from the front and rear wheel rotation encoders seperate and run parallel to both the TCS controller/ECU? and the ABS ECU??
I have done a couple of tests and pulled the ABS motor fuse (#6 in the pic) and that disabled the ABS but did not fault the TCS (ran the bike for a minute on the stand - up and down gears).
I also pulled the plug for the rear wheel sensor (in the harness under the tank) and that had the same effect.. Did not fault the TCS.
Just to check, i also ran the bike on the stand in second gear (20>30 seconds) and both the ABS and TCS faulted.
This has me confused. Is it just a matter of interrupting one wheel sensor wire (feed in or feed out)???
I read in a very early test that the ABS and TCS was deactivated if the sensor was unbolted from the front wheel and zip tied to the side of the fork leg. This indicates that the system still sends a signal to the sensor but does not get the required info back therefore faulting the system.
I am sorry for the picture size but I thought it would be best this big to be able to properly see the details and even print out.
Come on guys. I know there are some smarty's amongst you...
Greg.
P.S - Note: the front and rear wheel sensor wires are shielded so I have no idea if they can be cut into to be able to tap a wire up to the bars.