Rumor of new 2014 model....

[AdventureRider]

Single swing arms are easer to change the rear tire on the trail and yes they look waaaaaaay cooler.

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Single swing arms are easer to change the rear tire on the trail and yes they look waaaaaaay cooler.

I've plugged tubeless tires on trails. Never needed to change one. If I'm to the point where I've damaged a tire enough to need changing I'm screwed regardless of the swing arm style.

As far as looks go, I'm attracted to something that looks like a dirt bike. Haven't seen many ssa dirt bikes. Not really a factor for me.

 

[greg the pole]

Single swing arms are easer to change the rear tire on the trail and yes they look waaaaaaay cooler.

Unless your rims is completely fxxked and you need to put a tube in it. Plug it and forget it.

I'm ::002:: here, but it's a fashion accessory.
SSSA is way heavier, just to make up for the lack of support from the other side.

The yamaha swing arm is very light...that only leads to belive me that the 580 LBS of weight is in the motor ::015::

 

[RED CAT]

Mine only weights 575lbs. ::001:: Better get rid of the tank bag!

 

[GrahamD]

Single swing arms are easer to change the rear tire on the trail and yes they look waaaaaaay cooler.

I find the rear tires are the same to change whether they started on a SSSA or a DSSA. The only easier bit was removing the wheel that the tire was attached to.
Which, in tough terrain can be as easy as just waiting for the right moment and it will detach itself.

I have had to replace one tire and tube on a chain driven bike 20 or so years ago. The rest were plug and ride and that was a grand total of 2.

So, I will take the potentially more rugged and reliable option, as YAMAHA have done. I have never had a swing arm break in all that time either.

 

[AdventureRider]

Still rather have a single swing arm, I can crash any bike and make it look like a piece of shit.

 

[Don in Lodi]

Got your cause and effect mixed up; the failure caused the wreck, the wreck didn't cause the failure. ::26::

 

[Combo]

Got your cause and effect mixed up; the failure caused the wreck, the wreck didn't cause the failure. ::26::

Don, Very nicely done. ::012::

 

[Dirt_Dad]

Still rather have a single swing arm, I can crash any bike and make it look like a piece of shit.

I'd rather have a reliable Multistrada that weighs 200lbs, has zero maintenance, can fly like a YZ, and cost less than $12K.

I suspect we'll both be left wanting for a very long time.

 

[AdventureRider]

I'm sorry I don't believe that he was just driving down the highway, and the rear swing arm just fell apart. And people have driven the GS adventure around the world loaded with gear and have never had a problem with it. Abuse of anything will cause it to fail. :-[

 

[snakebitten]

Abuse can be a subjective thing.

One man's adventure might be another's misuse or abuse.

What IS abuse of a bike marketed as an "Adventure Bike"?

I personally think I (and others) have done things on the Tenere that Yamaha has got to believe most folks are NOT going to do on it. But it appears they still made it tough enough to take it.

I'm also surprised a bit myself. Loaded it like a pack mule. Driven 11 hours straight at 90+ across the desert. Beat the living crap out of it off-road.

I could understand someone claiming I have "abused" it.

 

[GrahamD]

I'm sorry I don't believe that he was just driving down the highway, and the rear swing arm just fell apart. And people have driven the GS adventure around the world loaded with gear and have never had a problem with it. Abuse of anything will cause it to fail. :-[

Yes we are not talking about black and white we are talking more about probabilities. I am sure there are a few URALS that have managed some how to ride around Russia ten times without a problem.

For some reason the rear shaft drive of the R1200 GS / GSA seem to get a lot of "abuse" more so than the same shaft on the R1200R, R1200RT etc.
All that Dual Sided swing arms do is reduce the side loads on the bearing and reduce the probability of that part being a problem. YAMAHA have also decided to make do with ONE universal joint which halves the probability of a failure. Where they have placed it reduces the probability that the shaft will be flapping around freely if the lower one gives up and smashing the ONE connection the bike has to the back wheel, The housing. YAMAHA put a lot of thought into minimal possibility of failre on this bike. All the way from everything defaulting to SAFE to reducing component count and using redundancy where it could.

The BMW SSSA is (was) short as well. It has two Uni joints to fail as well, and they operate at considerable angles. The housing is thin to keep the weight down etc.

All this adds up to an over engineered AND under built part that is prone to failure outside a well maintained, low punishment envelope.

I suspect that YAMAHA took the less fashionable "under engineered" simple, over built path so that you could rely on it hanging together at more extreme conditions.

Also BMW are not making 1150's any more and I also don't think that the increase in shaft drive issues you see after the weight reduction program was a coincidence.

On the other hand if the majority of riders are just after these bikes for road use, one up touring etc then YAMAHA has built the wrong bike, which is why I decided to get one now while they are still "RTW bikes" and before they are pushed into being Hi octane fuel burning, Gadget ridden "RTW styled" race bikes.

This was just a hunch at the time that is would happens as Manufactuers jossle for "check list" consumers Via the Check list journalists.

So yeah SS swing arm would look nice, would be heavier to take the same level of "abuse" and would be a step in the wrong direction for a Real off road capable heavy load carrying tourer.

But it seems the market is heading more for "RTW style." So if that is what everyone thinks is "Hi tech" then that is the way they may have to go but they seem to have resisted up to this point.

So I think the move to the name "General Purpose Bike" is more accurate. I have seen these beasts referred to as that lately and I think it a more honest label.

The whole market seems to be heading in the same direction that the "4WD" market did. Luckily there are still some models around that can be used as the workhorse the image presents.

</Dallara mode Off>

 

[EricV]

I'm sorry I don't believe that he was just driving down the highway, and the rear swing arm just fell apart. And people have driven the GS adventure around the world loaded with gear and have never had a problem with it. Abuse of anything will cause it to fail. :-[

Ahh, you're not from Canada, you're from the Planet of Denial! Have you ever actually owned a BMW? And who, exactly, do you think rode a GS loaded with gear around the world w/o having had a problem?

 

[AdventureRider]

I don't own one but my dad has one and it has just under 100000km and he's still on his first swing arm. But as far as I know he's never tried a 100 foot double with it, but maybe he's not riding it hard enough

 

[EricV]

I don't own one but my dad has one and it has just under 100000km and he's still on his first swing arm. But as far as I know he's never tried a 100 foot double with it, but maybe he's not riding it hard enough

I'm happy for your Dad. But add up his maintenance costs. And if he's on his first final drive bearings at ~60k miles, he's luckier than most. I put close to three times that on my FJR and never did anything to the swing arm bearings or final drive other than oil changes to the FD.

 

[TenRider]

Concidering the competition Yamaha will have to do something to gain market share. I love my Tenere, the more I ride it the better it feels. It does all I could ask of it, and can go beond my meger abilitys. I can not get enough of riding the big ten on all kinds of roads. So much so I have racked up 20000km in less then a year and I rearly drive my car now. Still is the bike perfect? No, no bike is. What should be changed in 2014? Maybe a more efficient screen, no need for electrical adjustments though. Better rear shock would be nice, with full adjustment. I personly find the exhaust ugly , maybe they could clean that up a little.
Is there room for another Tenere in the line up? Hell yeah! A more dirt focused mid size model, true to the Tenere spirit. Triumph have done it, BMW have done it, I think Yamaha could do a mid size better. Just my opinion. As long as Yamaha dont give up on the super ten and keep building them.

 

[Ironhand]

Concidering the competition Yamaha will have to do something to gain market share. I love my Tenere, the more I ride it the better it feels. It does all I could ask of it, and can go beond my meger abilitys. I can not get enough of riding the big ten on all kinds of roads. So much so I have racked up 20000km in less then a year and I rearly drive my car now. Still is the bike perfect? No, no bike is. What should be changed in 2014? Maybe a more efficient screen, no need for electrical adjustments though. Better rear shock would be nice, with full adjustment. I personly find the exhaust ugly , maybe they could clean that up a little.
Is there room for another Tenere in the line up? Hell yeah! A more dirt focused mid size model, true to the Tenere spirit. Triumph have done it, BMW have done it, I think Yamaha could do a mid size better. Just my opinion. As long as Yamaha dont give up on the super ten and keep building them.

+1 to all of that. Maybe Yamaha will do an 800 with that sexy new triple like Triumph did with the 800XC.

 

[Banzai600]

Single sided swingarm is of no use. A double sided is more sturdy, handles better etc etc etc..There is NO real advatage to a SSSA.


What I would like is the below.

A little less weight

Bigger clocks

Bar switches to go through the display functions without reaching over the bars

Miles / kms coundtdown reader

Cruise control

Exhaust downpipes & spokes that dont turn ti sh1t after a couple of months.

Tweek midrange

Redesign the aesthetics of the rear exhaust OR make it smaller

Apart from that, its all good !

I can ride this bike quite hard if Im not out on the Ducati, it handles exceptionally well for a big bike, no issue grinding out toe sliders at all, very planted handling.

BTW, i belive the new R1 has been postponed until next year. It was supposed to eb this yr. In saying all this, I think YAMAHA may drop us a new Tenere that will be a triple, BUT why do that when this current model is still quite young ? We may have to wait (?).

 

[Taka JPN]

Hi,

I just found that 2014 model detail will be available to check on Nov 3, 2013 at EICMA.
Yamaha Canada website
http://www.yamaha-motor.ca/products/details.php?model=4439&group=MC&catId=94

I am particularly interested in new model, simply because my S10 is attached picture condition,
and my dealer told me that it is cheaper to buy new one than fixing current one.
:'(

(on the narrow road near Misawa Air Base north of Japan, I stopped behind a tank track, and it backed up without looking at rear mirror
100% his fault, and I am physically fine, just waiting a reply from insurance company if they agree to give me new one)

 

[snakebitten]

That sucks. But it must be worse than the picture reveals. Something structural?